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3D Megadoodoo posted:DOS is pretty good. Maybe for casual hobby use. For professional use you want a true multi tasking environment like AmigaOS + Workbench 
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lobsterminator posted:Maybe for casual hobby use. For professional use you want a true multi tasking environment like AmigaOS + Workbench I think you mean AmigaDOS, kiddo :smugmrwhite:
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Mar 12, 2023 11:57
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His Divine Shadow posted:I found this on the net, bunch of small DOS programs that are useful for the home shop. I had an interest in the plug.zip program since you can use a combo of three plug gages to check a hole that's larger than any of your existing gages and this program calculates what kind of sizes you need. But it's museum code and it's not complete, references headers like conio.h, dos.h and something called graph.h which is totally unknown as well as a custom library mwk.lib that's not included. iirc conio.h, dos.h, and graph.h are TurboC headers, so the author probably assumes you're using that and didn't include them.
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Mar 12, 2023 12:10
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Sweevo posted:iirc conio.h, dos.h, and graph.h are TurboC headers, so the author probably assumes you're using that and didn't include them. Yes I recognize conio and dos.h at least. Borland Turbo C/C++ should do the trick.
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Mar 12, 2023 12:33
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GWBasic all the way!
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Yeah I downloaded several versions of Borland and looked around the header files, but none has graph.h, they have graphics.h. I got around those by commenting them out and removing the references to stuff like kbhit, but it's in the comments that he made some of his own stuff that was referenced in MWK.LIB which is the initials of the author so I think that's all his own stuff. But I was able to replace most of the dos stuff or just bypass it. On stackoverflow I found alternative implementations for his macros for COSD, TAND and SIND I was able to just replace those with a copy & paste. Only vin() which is likeky in MWK.lib I had to write myself based on how the author seemed to use it. A function that takes a bunch of arguments such as a void pointer, creates a prompt, uses the input to set a value by address for earlier declared variables in main, or sets a default value if nothing is entered. It's compiling and working on linux now, had to disable the press any key to abort since I have no candidate to replace kbhit and the operation is super fast on a modern PC so it's not needed. On dosbox it runs a lot slower so I can see why it was originally needed.
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By popular demand posted:People should be aware of just how much obsolete non-gaming software is run on Dosbox or other emulators, both to appreciate the volunteer work that makes it possible and to be weary of companies that overly depend on obsolete software. Wary.
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Nocheez posted:Wary. Both, really.
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His Divine Shadow posted:It's compiling and working on linux now, had to disable the press any key to abort since I have no candidate to replace kbhit and the operation is super fast on a modern PC so it's not needed. On dosbox it runs a lot slower so I can see why it was originally needed. I know you don't need it now, but for next time: To check for pending input on a terminal in Linux you need to fiddle with terminal attributes, specifically disable ICANON and set MIN=TIME=0. Manual page; here be dragons.
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Mar 12, 2023 14:11
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An entire world... of tapes! https://twitter.com/Rhino_Records/status/1634990250740301824?s=20
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Mar 12, 2023 21:27
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wesleywillis posted:HAHA!! Ah the old 'Secret Diaries'. A friend posted one to usenet for Roger; the most memorable thing about it was him being unable to remove the sunglasses from his head, and "called the government to ask why my daddy had to die. They said 'because he was shot in the head by a German' and hung up." Never trolled their forums, but man did I ever live on their IRC banlist
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Dick Trauma posted:An entire world... of tapes! Vinyl outsells CDs now. I wouldn't be surprised if cassettes overtake CDs at some point. There are a lot of new releases on cassettes these days. https://www.npr.org/2023/03/10/1162568704/vinyl-outsells-cds-first-time-since-1987-records
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Mar 13, 2023 08:53
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I like to listen to tapes as well, purely nostalgia reasons and having a fascination with old tech in general. I wonder if CDs will have a similar retro resurgence in the future.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:DOS is pretty good. Installed it last night. Remember to put doskey in autoexec.bat or using the command line will be frustrating. Microsoft mouse drivers work well too, installed Borland Turbo C++ for fun. I wonder was there any proper IDE for ANSI C for DOS or was just it Borlands own stuff which isn't proper ANSI? 
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Where can I go to get pictures of remote controls with just huge amounts of buttons? Like way too many buttons but they all have a function and are beautiful in their own way Have some Laserdisc related ones 
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Mar 13, 2023 10:00
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His Divine Shadow posted:Installed it last night. Remember to put doskey in autoexec.bat or using the command line will be frustrating. Microsoft mouse drivers work well too, installed Borland Turbo C++ for fun. I remember learning to write rudimentary games with djgpp and allegro back in the 90's. I think the IDE I used was called rhide - there are plenty of screenshots available with google image search if you want to bask in the DOS glory.
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Mar 13, 2023 15:19
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His Divine Shadow posted:I like to listen to tapes as well, purely nostalgia reasons and having a fascination with old tech in general. Maybe, but I don't see what the appeal would be for cds. Unless someone is looking for an authentic CD skipping sound, it's otherwise a near perfect recreation of the song. There's no "feeling" like you get with vinyl or tape. Maybe kids will want to have a binder full of music.
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Cojawfee posted:Maybe, but I don't see what the appeal would be for cds. CDs nuts.
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Gotem.
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Humphreys posted:Have some Laserdisc related ones My favorite remote button I've ever seen was on a Laserdisc remote. It was Reject. Not Eject, Reject. My friend saved it when the school district was throwing out old stuff. I have memories of helping my 5th grade teacher figure out the Laserdisc player at one point. I had no clue what to do, but I was better at guessing than she was.
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Mar 13, 2023 15:29
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Speaking of remotes, it would be handy to have a decent universal remote for the random equipment I pick up. Are old Harmony remotes obsolete or still useful? Looks like you can get them for $20-$30. Do you need a computer to program them?
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wa27 posted:Speaking of remotes, it would be handy to have a decent universal remote for the random equipment I pick up. Are old Harmony remotes obsolete or still useful? Looks like you can get them for $20-$30. Do you need a computer to program them? You do need a computer to set them up, but they're pretty good. I like having a hub based one because I can use various smart devices when the kids lose the remote (or it's currently out of service because it randomly can't find the hub, like right now).
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They were programmed by connecting to a PC with a USB cable and launching the Harmony software, which I believe first moved to a web version before being deprecated in favor of an app you could put on your phone or tablet.
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lobsterminator posted:Vinyl outsells CDs now. I wouldn't be surprised if cassettes overtake CDs at some point. There are a lot of new releases on cassettes these days. The quality of vinyl pressing and record players are better than they have ever been, but there are no good new tape decks and there is no good magnetic tape left in the world 
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evobatman posted:The quality of vinyl pressing and record players are better than they have ever been, but there are no good new tape decks and there is no good magnetic tape left in the world Could you cut down LTO backup tape? I have no idea what the formulation is, but it's still being made by the mile, and given the insane data densities they are up to now it's probably very uniform, if nothing else.
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Humphreys posted:Have some Laserdisc related ones Please return my Pioneer hand-me-down AVR's remote immediately, I need it so I can listen to the radio. (It's me. I'm the obsolete and failed technology.)
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evobatman posted:The quality of vinyl pressing and record players are better than they have ever been, but there are no good new tape decks and there is no good magnetic tape left in the world Yeah, Techmoan has gone into this a bit, while there are plenty of new good record players out there with a wide variety of internals, there seems to be literally only one or two tape mechanisms being made these days, and they're all cheap lovely ones. So no matter how expensive the player and fancy it's case and other features, they all use the same cheap tape mechs.
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Back in the old days I found that pre-recorded cassettes sounded pretty crappy, at least compared to tapes I recorded at home from vinyl. I only bought a couple because of that.
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Dick Trauma posted:Back in the old days I found that pre-recorded cassettes sounded pretty crappy, at least compared to tapes I recorded at home from vinyl. I only bought a couple because of that. I stupidly sold off all my good tape decks, but when I had them I played around with Type II and Type IV tapes and different sources like CDs, Spotify and SACDs. If you manage to calibrate bias, noise reduction, tape type and recording levels just right it can become almost indistinguishable from CD quality. It's a shitton of work and time and quite a bit of luck involved though.
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Indeed, a good cassette tape can sound almost identical to the source material. I'd go as far as saying that the casual listener won't hear the difference unless you point out the faint noise between the tracks. One of the greatest inventions ever was the adjustable bias on the front panel. Almost no one is gonna bother opening up their tape deck and adjusting the bias and equalisation for their tape of choice, and then stick to one single type of tape. With the front-adjustable bias, you can dial in the best bias for each tape in a matter of minutes. Cassette with DBX and at 9,5cm/s is even better, but you only see that in those semi-professional decks and portastudios. Very punchy. Tapes duplicated today are sometimes duplicated on stacks and stacks of hifi cassette decks. Thomas Baur (mfbfreaks.com) started out that way, and that should deliver hifi quality. Just a whole room with dozens of them. I think he now also has a professional bin machine or two. No idea how the quality compares. Knowing him, he'll at least put in some effort to make it sound good. But i agree - most prerecorded cassettes sound pretty mediocre. I can see CDs having their resurgence too because ooh shiny. But i'd rather see new laser discs. Bigger is better. With regards to data tape - the issue is that every type of magnetic coating needs a different bias and equalisation. Putting data tape on a Type Normal deck will sound horrible. I can also imagine that the dynamic range and linearity will be radically different. Digital doesn't care about a non-linear response in many cases. For analog that just means distortion. Finally there is a difference in the roughness of tape. DAT data tapes VS DAT audio tapes are the same size and shape, and a DAT audio recorder will record on data tape, but the heads will wear out a lot faster. I don't know the details - i've been out of that circle for 10 years already. Vinyl records vary a lot with how good they sound. If it's a lazy 'Put the CD master on a vinyl record' it'll be mediocre to crappy. If it's mastered specifically to sound good within the limits of vinyl (dynamic range, cutting head velocity) it can sound a lot more attractive than what you get on the CD. A special sauce of velocity limiting and compression on record VS brickwall limiting on CD. LimaBiker has a new favorite as of 17:16 on Mar 13, 2023 |
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When I'd get a new record, I'd try to play it just once, to make a cassette recording of it. If something bumped the needle or there was an odd scratch during recording, it forever became part of that song.
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how many cassettes had Music music music *CLICK* "YOU'RE HITTING RECORD!!" *KERCHUNK swish swish* back to the music
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Happened to me once with a prerecorded one, a new one. The newly manufactured ones apparently don't have the erase protection tabs removed by default. Bloody annoying.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I like to listen to tapes as well, purely nostalgia reasons and having a fascination with old tech in general. I keep half a dozen in the glove box of my pickup. Hawaiian music, some Russian rock and roll, and a Marty Robbins tape. They beat the hell out of CDs for a vehicle (ah the days of the sun-visor CD sleeve, and CDs constantly falling to the gritty floor mats...)
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We have a pretty decent CD collection. Takes up less space than vinyl and you still get the same joy of choosing something intentionally rather than just hitting shuffle or starting a themed radio station. Taking turns picking out the next one while cooking or baking is really nice! Plus, very good quality.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Where can I go to get pictures of remote controls with just huge amounts of buttons? Like way too many buttons but they all have a function and are beautiful in their own way Here's a weird one that does not get as much use now as it used to... 
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https://twitter.com/richterscale/status/1635345227803140102?s=20 https://twitter.com/richterscale/status/1635361137700007943?s=20
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Here's a weird one that does not get as much use now as it used to... My family had this absolute unit. It was the first touch screen I ever used. We also had this weird thing at one point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFuX8iAXzrA
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lobsterminator posted:I wouldn't be surprised if cassettes overtake CDs at some point. that is not happening. look at the chart in the article you shared.  tape sales are absolutely microscopic. a niche novelty
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