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Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011


Are pygmy corys just really good hiders? I got kinda concerned earlier because I hadnt seen them today so much compared to last week so I made the lights lower in the room and I saw a few come out, but I definitely have a whole herd in the tank. I dont see any remains anywhere and I dont know if cardinal or gold tetras are able to take one down or not. I havent noticed any bullying and most of the time they all form a giant shoal when hanging out.

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Lareine
Jul 22, 2007

KIIIRRRYYYUUUUU CHAAAANNNNNN

Tenchrono posted:

Are pygmy corys just really good hiders? I got kinda concerned earlier because I hadnt seen them today so much compared to last week so I made the lights lower in the room and I saw a few come out, but I definitely have a whole herd in the tank. I dont see any remains anywhere and I dont know if cardinal or gold tetras are able to take one down or not. I havent noticed any bullying and most of the time they all form a giant shoal when hanging out.

I'm having the same problem as you. I can't tell you how many I have other than I started with 8. They are pretty dang shy and if they sit on the substrate, they blend in.

Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011


Lareine posted:

I'm having the same problem as you. I can't tell you how many I have other than I started with 8. They are pretty dang shy and if they sit on the substrate, they blend in.

I ended up finding them! They teamed up with Marty the vampire shrimp and made a cool cave behind some wood. I did a large water change this morning and they all popped out while I was vacuuming and stuff.

Also I did another test of my tap water. Ph of 7.4-7.6 and a Kh and Gh of 2, 3 if you are being generous. I should be able to put a cup of crushed coral in a bag in the filter to keep the Kh stable while the new tank cycles right? I have some equilibrium and alkaline buffer as well.

Edit: Anyone have any hot tips to get mid eaters like tetras to actually eat? I've tried flakes, pellets, repashy, and so on and seemingly only a few actually come out and eat the pellets at a time and leave the rest on the ground. I've left the food there overnight for the corys but I am not sure if they are eating it or the algae instead because I end up vacuuming a good deal of it up the next day. Can I train them to eat repashy cubes off the ground? Does that garlic guard stuff actually make them want to eat?

double edit: I bought some frozen bloodworms at petsmart while getting dog food and WOW did everyone in the tank love them. Even the Amanos came out for some.

Bad photo of a gold tetra chomping on some:

Tenchrono fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Mar 8, 2023

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Ordered some mini brittle stars online cause no pet stores can order them. Most made it in okay, fingers crossed my chocolate chip stars don't grab any. I didn't think it'd be an issue but they are walking stomachs.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Tenchrono posted:


double edit: I bought some frozen bloodworms at petsmart while getting dog food and WOW did everyone in the tank love them. Even the Amanos came out for some.

Bad photo of a gold tetra chomping on some:


If you’re seeing food the next day you’re definitely overfeeding. I suspect they might not be eating because they aren’t hungry? Corys don’t eat algae but they might slurp up any tiny organisms that are living in the algae although this is more of an otocinclus move. Be careful with bloodworms, firstly because they are like junk food for fish, attractive but not a ton of nutritional content, and secondly it’s possible to develop a severe allergy to them. You want to thaw them and not put the liquid they’re frozen in into your tank, and you want to use tweezers as much as possible and avoid touching the bloodworms with bare hands. Definitely a good food to entice fussy eaters though, you might get them to start feeding with a small portion of bloodworms then add some regular food as well.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Hatching brine shrimp is really cheap and easy. I highly recommend it for picky eaters, and just in general.

Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011


Thats what I was thinking, its just been a few flakes or pellets or whatever I was trying to make them eat at a time. I thought pygymys needed outside food too but if they’ve been fine eating tiny things off the plants and wood and rocks then I’ll leave them be. I bought some brine shrimp eggs to try out when it comes in, today they’ll fast though since they had a bunch of worms.

Aerofallosov
Oct 3, 2007

Friend to Fishes. Just keep swimming.
Aquarium co-op has some really easy set ups so you can feed live food pretty easily. I give mine stuff like blood worms, brine skrimps, etc. I know they're just neons and a trio of guppies, but they're my little dudes.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Can y'all help me identify some fish please? Neighbor foisted them on me. Will they help keep a lid on the endler pop? Fingers crossed I get some predationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7zB18GMLkk
Also, check out my jungle

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Noice jungle.

I think those are black phantom tetras. They'll eat any fry they can catch.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Does anyone know of a good place to order low iron glass cut to size?

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Cowslips Warren posted:

Noice jungle.

I think those are black phantom tetras. They'll eat any fry they can catch.

Cool. Thanks. Maybe I'll let them loose in the tubs next.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

DeadlyMuffin posted:

Does anyone know of a good place to order low iron glass cut to size?

a local glass store/supplier

Lurking Loach
Feb 13, 2023

In the weeds, watching you post

B33rChiller posted:

Can y'all help me identify some fish please? Neighbor foisted them on me. Will they help keep a lid on the endler pop? Fingers crossed I get some predationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7zB18GMLkk
Also, check out my jungle

Seconding black phantoms. They're like black skirts, only I find their temperaments much nicer. Nice snails!

Stoca Zola posted:

Be careful with bloodworms, firstly because they are like junk food for fish, attractive but not a ton of nutritional content, and secondly it’s possible to develop a severe allergy to them. You want to thaw them and not put the liquid they’re frozen in into your tank, and you want to use tweezers as much as possible and avoid touching the bloodworms with bare hands.

Absolutely, I didn't realize this was a thing until my hands, face, and throat started to burn after I finished prepping a batch for my tanks. I'd been feeding them for a while, too, and had never experienced anything like it before. I still use them as the occasional treat, though grindal worms work as well.

Lurking Loach fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Mar 11, 2023

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
finally finished cycling and began stocking my soon-to-be reef tank.

that's 2 tomato clowns and and a hippo tang. thinking about adding a goby/shrimp combo, maybe a couple cardinals then eventually corals

now you might say "nate is that a hippo tang in a 65 gallon tank? they need something twice as big why are you such an rear end in a top hat?"

to which my response is, my kids love Dory so i picked the smallest one they had an am gonna hope for the best. worst case scenario if she gets huge i have an excuse to upgrade to a 120

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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

The Nastier Nate posted:

worst case scenario if she gets huge i have an excuse to upgrade to a 120

you've already made your commitment

plenty of time to plan out how you're going to do up both the 120 and the 65

EDIT: joking aside, you could actually be really utilitarian about it. Set up some frag racks and prioritize using the 65 as a grow-out tank for an eventual 120 for a year or so and then scape up the 120 using the corals that you've grown and propagated. If you're really efficient you could produce enough stock for both tanks, and also scape the 65 into a display after dismantling the grow-out setup.

trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 15:06 on Mar 12, 2023

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Ok Comboomer posted:

you've already made your commitment

plenty of time to plan out how you're going to do up both the 120 and the 65

EDIT: joking aside, you could actually be really utilitarian about it. Set up some frag racks and prioritize using the 65 as a grow-out tank for an eventual 120 for a year or so and then scape up the 120 using the corals that you've grown and propagated. If you're really efficient you could produce enough stock for both tanks, and also scape the 65 into a display after dismantling the grow-out setup.

after my divorce i had to downsize from a large single family home to a townhome. i already have a 75g freshwater in the kitchen. I might upgrade the 65 but I'm calling it at 2 tanks.

plus i think after that point it starts to get weird. I can't be bringing women home and have them walk into a small house with several tanks...maybe a small subset of women will think its cool but the 40 and over dating pool is already shallow enough as it is.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

The Nastier Nate posted:

after my divorce i had to downsize from a large single family home to a townhome. i already have a 75g freshwater in the kitchen. I might upgrade the 65 but I'm calling it at 2 tanks.

plus i think after that point it starts to get weird. I can't be bringing women home and have them walk into a small house with several tanks...maybe a small subset of women will think its cool but the 40 and over dating pool is already shallow enough as it is.

start a YouTube channel and then it becomes acceptable

Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011


Welp, the HOB I was using for my regular 20g somehow broke while I was changing water and cleaning the tank. I had a canister I was going to use for their new tank cycling since last week and it was producing nitrates. I should be able to just pop it on their old tank in the meantime and add some BB and be good to go right? I added some more turbostart as well.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Tenchrono posted:

Welp, the HOB I was using for my regular 20g somehow broke while I was changing water and cleaning the tank. I had a canister I was going to use for their new tank cycling since last week and it was producing nitrates. I should be able to just pop it on their old tank in the meantime and add some BB and be good to go right? I added some more turbostart as well.

Put the filter media/sponges from your HOB filter into the canister filter? You shouldn't need to add any new bacteria to the mix if you've still got your existing, established bacterial colony around to throw into the new filter.

Warbadger fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Mar 12, 2023

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

The Nastier Nate posted:

finally finished cycling and began stocking my soon-to-be reef tank.

that's 2 tomato clowns and and a hippo tang. thinking about adding a goby/shrimp combo, maybe a couple cardinals then eventually corals

now you might say "nate is that a hippo tang in a 65 gallon tank? they need something twice as big why are you such an rear end in a top hat?"

to which my response is, my kids love Dory so i picked the smallest one they had an am gonna hope for the best. worst case scenario if she gets huge i have an excuse to upgrade to a 120



I appreciate the tomato clowns. They do not get enough love and they are awesome.

The Nastier Nate posted:

after my divorce i had to downsize from a large single family home to a townhome. i already have a 75g freshwater in the kitchen. I might upgrade the 65 but I'm calling it at 2 tanks.

plus i think after that point it starts to get weird. I can't be bringing women home and have them walk into a small house with several tanks...maybe a small subset of women will think its cool but the 40 and over dating pool is already shallow enough as it is.

Wise. I am glad my fiance puts up with this craziness. He doesn't even mind feeding them when I'm gone. But I am definitely the fish version of a cat lady.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

The randy fish have finally settled down, they only spawned for 5-10 mins instead of all night, the tank remains unclouded, things are finally back to normal. Now if only my pond frogs would do the same, there’s two more egg masses in the filter, I’m just going to let the fish eat them.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

The Nastier Nate posted:

after my divorce i had to downsize from a large single family home to a townhome. i already have a 75g freshwater in the kitchen. I might upgrade the 65 but I'm calling it at 2 tanks.

plus i think after that point it starts to get weird. I can't be bringing women home and have them walk into a small house with several tanks...maybe a small subset of women will think its cool but the 40 and over dating pool is already shallow enough as it is.

Nah, you just need to make the tank look awesome. Marine fish are pretty as gently caress overall and if it looks pretty, it stops being an aquarium and starts being Art.

Tenchrono
Jun 2, 2011


Warbadger posted:

Put the filter media/sponges from your HOB filter into the canister filter? You shouldn't need to add any new bacteria to the mix if you've still got your existing, established bacterial colony around to throw into the new filter.

Yup, I squeezed as much of the old filter material as I could and then put the bio rings in the tank.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

DeadlyMuffin posted:

I appreciate the tomato clowns. They do not get enough love and they are awesome.
.

Ngl, I love them but the lfs didn’t have a pair of Nemo’s so I went with the tomato’s

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Cowslips Warren posted:

Nah, you just need to make the tank look awesome. Marine fish are pretty as gently caress overall and if it looks pretty, it stops being an aquarium and starts being Art.

agreed. It’s only weird or embarrassing if you can’t make it look nice. Plus everybody online and on social media has like 3+ tanks at this point.

Make one a reef and one a fowlr. Keep lionfish. Do a macroalgae tank. A clam tank. Get a mangrove.

65gal is a great size for a lot of decently available specimen fish, either fresh or salt

Edit: Semi-Joke Option: turn the 65 into a display refugium for the 120

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

The Nastier Nate posted:

plus i think after that point it starts to get weird. I can't be bringing women home and have them walk into a small house with several tanks...maybe a small subset of women will think its cool but the 40 and over dating pool is already shallow enough as it is.

My partner just started calling me shrimp daddy after I got my 3rd shrimp tank.

Besides, at least it proves that you can look after other live beings and if you can keep a fish tank clean, you can probably keep a house clean.

Side question. Does anyone have any good methods for target catching shrimp in a heavily planted tank? Too much poo poo to hide in for the standard net to work and I want to start picking and choosing what ones I want to cull/sell

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




How the hell are my no3 levels going from 30->75ppm in 24hrs what the hell am I doing wrong

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Sockser posted:

How the hell are my no3 levels going from 30->75ppm in 24hrs what the hell am I doing wrong

Fish die/disappear? Filter crash? Did you overfeed?

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Sockser posted:

How the hell are my no3 levels going from 30->75ppm in 24hrs what the hell am I doing wrong
Sleepwalk peeing in the tank?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Cat peeing in tank? New active substrate leeching? At least your filtration is handling whatever the source is.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

DeadlyMuffin posted:

These Enders are 50% of their way to seawater salinity. No losses yet!



They're like astronauts :jeb:

After a day at seawater salinity, the astronaut Endlers are being acclimated for landing.

Acclimation time was two weeks, total of 2 losses, and I'm pretty sure there are new fry in there.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

Another euryhaline fish you might be able to try are pacific blue eyes, found from 300km upstream in rivers, to along most of the east coast of Australia in estuaries, to fully marine in island environments. They’re very short lived though and I don’t know that they’d breed in a fully marine environment, if they are similar to rainbows the eggs need soft water to be easily fertilised.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Stoca Zola posted:

Another euryhaline fish you might be able to try are pacific blue eyes, found from 300km upstream in rivers, to along most of the east coast of Australia in estuaries, to fully marine in island environments. They’re very short lived though and I don’t know that they’d breed in a fully marine environment, if they are similar to rainbows the eggs need soft water to be easily fertilised.

Interesting! I was looking at Pseudomugil furcatus for a freshwater tank a while back. I had no idea any fish in that group could tolerate a marine environment.

My first idea was a big group of fancy guppies, but I was able to get a cloud of endlers cheap.

If it works maybe I'll do some others. The tank is just coral at the moment, and I'd like to get some more movement in it but I'm holding off on buying marine fish since I'm trying to breed some.

Willsun
Dec 9, 2006

I willed too hard again...
Apparently my freshwater tank's pH is too high and I've been cautious about putting fish back in there since, I have to admit, I had some tetras die in there from seemingly not wanting to eat and now I assume it's because they preferred blackwater that lean more on the acidic side. Google says to add driftwood or leaves that naturally acidifies the water, but is there a quicker way to treat the water? Basically buy products that treat it? Are home remedies with vinegar or lemon juice basically overkill?

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

It's hard to sort out the truths (certain specialist fish really only thrive in black water) from the sales hype (buy this product or it's the same as murdering your fish) or from hobbyist grapevine rumours (sometimes true but often only by accident).

How high is your pH exactly? Does your pH ever swing? What about other parameters such as hardness? Is the issue isolated to your tank or is it your source water? Is a water softener in your home adding sodium to your water? Is your substrate a problem, or any rocks in your tank contributing to pH?

Were the fish that died locally bred or wild caught? How long had you kept them before they died? How mature was your filtration and what's your nitrogen cycle doing?

Ammonia is a lot more toxic above neutral pH. Wild caught fish often have better colours but more stress and disease than locally bred fish. Some fish farms pump out metric tons of genetically inferior sickly diseased fish.

It's a complicated question with no simple answer without gathering a bit more information.

I forgot to say, soft water fish almost never get sick from hard water. The osmotic pressure is in their favour, they have evolved to keep their electrolytes in balance. Their eggs might not fertilise properly but that's usually not of interest for the average hobbyist. Hard water fish get sick in soft water, they've never needed to handle osmotic pressure so they become overloaded with water in their tissues and their electrolytes go out of balance. Many fish can't handle sodium, some don't care at all (fish that live at the mouths of rivers for example). Pointing to pH by itself isn't a good way to look at it, as pH is only a small part of the big picture.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Mar 14, 2023

Lareine
Jul 22, 2007

KIIIRRRYYYUUUUU CHAAAANNNNNN
I came back from a four day trip and I swear the anacharis is a third bigger than when I left. I really need to cut it back.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




Cowslips Warren posted:

Fish die/disappear?

Y'know

My danios have just kinda been dropping like flies
And a couple of bodies were never found

So this sorta tracks

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007

Does anyone have experience with phosphate Rx in a reef tank? I have a borderline hair algae problem and I want to nip it in the bud, but I'm worried about shocking everything.

I had a real bad experience doing gfo too fast so I'm gun shy.

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Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I haven't but I would look at it from the point of view that phosphate really doesn't belong in seawater, agricultural run off with phosphates in does a lot of damage to marine ecosystems, yadda yadda. Getting it out has to be better than leaving it in. And it looks like that product comes with instructions for how to make gradual changes so you could take it as slow as you wanted.

I am at the point of giving up on the only facebook fish group I still participate in - some dude has a 30litre (8 gallon) tank full of platys that keep dying; he's using rainwater for water changes so his water is way too soft and his tank is way too small and after a ton of really good helpful advice the dude's major take away was that he was "water changing too much" and that he planned to do that less often. It's so disheartening when people have blinders on and only pay attention to information that is most convenient for them.

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