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Terminally Bored
Oct 31, 2011

Twenty-five dollars and a six pack to my name
https://www.rp.pl/konflikty-zbrojne/art38114111-bachmut-kreml-szuka-winnych

quote:

Bakhmut: The Kremlin is looking for the culprits

The city is still unconquered, which means the defeat of the mercenary owner Yevgeny Prigozhin. It is possible that he will become a scapegoat and be responsible for all the defeats of the Russian army.

Publication: 03/13/2023 13:46
Andrzej Lomanowski


'Wagner's mercenaries are attacking Bakhmut from several sides, trying to break our defenses and advance towards the city center' said the commander of the Ukrainian ground forces, General Oleksandr Syrskyi.

At the same time, he is the commander of the "Khortitsa" Group, which most likely includes the troops defending Bakhmut. In any case, the general was in the city for the fourth time in a week and a half and had the situation under control.

Meanwhile, the owner of the Wagner mercenary company, Yevgeny Prigozhin, records another video-statement from the conquered eastern part of the city. Experts checked where he had done this before and concluded that his troops had only moved about a kilometer in two weeks. And even now, the billionaire himself keeps almost a kilometer from the river, which is the front line.

Prigozhin is constantly demanding ammunition for his mercenaries. Now he has calculated that he needs "approximately 10,000 tons per month”, both of artillery shells as well as tank rounds and precision ammunition. Formally, the private mercenary army has its own artillery, armored units, and even a squadron of aircraft.

But the army command has no intention of complying with his demands. The Wall Street Journal claims that the anti-Prigozhin has been growing in the Kremlin since November last year, which is taking advantage of the conflicting command of the Russian army.

In November, a video of the execution using a sledgehammer of Yevgeny Nuzhin appeared on the Internet. Sentenced to 23 years in prison, he was recruited by Wagner but surrendered to Ukrainian troops. Because Prigozhin's men were blackmailing his family living in Russia, he volunteered for a prisoner exchange, after which he was murdered.

'No comment. It's not our business,' the Kremlin spokesman said at the time. However, since then, the Russian power elite has become convinced that Prigozhin may be dangerous, since he is already usurping the prerogatives of state authorities and publicly executing extrajudicial sentences. Since January, the generals (who returned to the favor of Vladimir Putin) began to limit the supply of ammunition to the mercenary units, or more precisely, they began to supply them with as much as the regular army receives.

Without huge artillery support, which had been shelling Ukrainian positions for days, Wagner's mercenaries began to walk in place. Despite repeated daily assaults dozens of times, they are unable to conquer Bachmut. In addition, they end human reserves, because Prigozhin was forbidden to recruit prisoners who constituted the bulk of the "cannon fodder" thrown into the attack. Ukrainians called their attacks "meat", and Russian officers described their participants (both prisoners and their own soldiers from the September mobilization) as "disposable".

"Because Ukrainian troops have the ability to fire from fortified buildings on the west bank of the Bakhmutka River, they turned the entire area (the occupied east bank) into a "kill zone", which apparently causes great problems for mercenaries trying to storm directly west, writes the American Institute for the Studies of War.

Progozhin is starting to run out not only of missiles, but also of soldiers. Now, instead of touring prisons, he has opened about 40 recruiting centers in sports centers across Russia, but recruitment is slow (if at all). Rumors have already spread throughout the country that Wagner has "fallen out of love" with the Kremlin and few want to risk being associated with them in this situation.

- I have no political ambitions - so he began to assure in subsequent recordings from Bakhmut. Since the appearance of the video of Nuzhin's execution, Russian imperialist circles have begun to promote the idea of nominating the billionaire as a candidate in the presidential election, or rather as Putin's successor.

Elections should be held next year, but there is no indication that Putin wants to give up power and look for a successor. This made him very suspicious of Prigozhin. Other possible successors have also united against him (regardless of the fact that their ambitions are currently splitting the skin on a live bear), including former Prime Minister and President Dmitry Medvedev.

"The misfortunes that befell Prigozhin will probably scare other members of the political elite, such as (Chechnya's leader) Ramzan Kadyrov, and make them lower their ambitions to avoid his fate," the ISW believes.

The only way out for the billionaire not to completely lose the ruler's favor (and possibly life) is to conquer Bakhmut. But storming the city leads to the destruction not of "cannon fodder", but of the best mercenary units. With their melting, the political influence of their owner also disappears. – The Russians could lose up to 30,000 soldiers there, says British military analyst Philip Ingram.

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zone
Dec 6, 2016

So, essentially repeating what we already know that Prigozhin landed himself in an unrecoverable dead end. Strelkov mentioned last week that Prigozhin had painted himself into a corner by thinking and behaving like he was above his station. Had he curbed his ambitions he wouldn't be in this scrape.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

tiaz posted:

whew! at last Moscow is safe from the Tu-160s of the perfidious Ukrainians

UA did have some for a while but not for years

They launched attacks with Tu-160s last summer haha

zone posted:

So, essentially repeating what we already know that Prigozhin landed himself in an unrecoverable dead end. Strelkov mentioned last week that Prigozhin had painted himself into a corner by thinking and behaving like he was above his station. Had he curbed his ambitions he wouldn't be in this scrape.

If Prigozhin could curb his ambitions he wouldn't have become an oligarch in the first place, let alone one that powerful.

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

from hotdogs to helldumps

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
Splitting the skin on a live bear is such a good turn of phrase, holy poo poo.

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

HonorableTB posted:

They launched attacks with Tu-160s last summer haha

... Ukraine did? Did they de-mothball the one in the museum?

wrt Russia's I initially thought it was weird they were flying Tu-160 sorties just to launch some cruise missiles from very far away. It felt to me like you might as well design a solid rocket booster to get your cruise missiles to deployment speed then, but I suppose the design cost has already been paid for the aircraft so it "just" costs you several tons of fuel and hours of engine operation on engines you possibly can't maintain.

free hubcaps
Oct 12, 2009

American-Polish-British PMCs

zone
Dec 6, 2016

free hubcaps posted:

American-Polish-British PMCs

During the feint of Izyum they were claiming that none-too-clean Romanians and Albanians were the ones attacking them. I don't get it either.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
Everybody Except You Is A Nazi

Terminally Bored
Oct 31, 2011

Twenty-five dollars and a six pack to my name

Telsa Cola posted:

Splitting the skin on a live bear is such a good turn of phrase, holy poo poo.

It's an actual Polish idiom and it fits so well here.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

tiaz posted:

... Ukraine did? Did they de-mothball the one in the museum?

wrt Russia's I initially thought it was weird they were flying Tu-160 sorties just to launch some cruise missiles from very far away. It felt to me like you might as well design a solid rocket booster to get your cruise missiles to deployment speed then, but I suppose the design cost has already been paid for the aircraft so it "just" costs you several tons of fuel and hours of engine operation on engines you possibly can't maintain.

Ope I confused the Tu-160 with the Tu-141s that they actually did use :blush:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-141

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1635303452950626307
All the more reason why your crappy imperialist so-called nation should be defeated in open combat and your armies thoroughly ruined so you can't bully anyone else ever again, Mr. Propagandist.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Crazy that America forced him to say that

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
So the Air Force is getting rid of about 100 F-15C/Ds (left) here. Where are they going, Biden?


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/f-15ex-eagle-ii-total-buy-increases-from-80-to-104-in-new-usaf-budget

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1635303452950626307
All the more reason why your crappy imperialist so-called nation should be defeated in open combat and your armies thoroughly ruined so you can't bully anyone else ever again, Mr. Propagandist.

"Now make a peace deal with us, we are totally negotiating in good faith." :thunk:

They really do think everyone is a moron and will do Minsk III without blinking an eye.

CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Mar 13, 2023

Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Drone_Fragger posted:

The swiss government are being tiny bitch babies about this and claiming neutrality means you cant supply arms to anyone in a remotely contentious war, and I know the government statements have pissed off a lot of arms manufacturers worried about swiss arms being unreliable or second rate because of this.

With any luck this will kill their military sales becsuse normally they have no issue selling weapons to war criminals, despots and countries using them to commit human rights abuses. Its genuinely pathetic.

They have an easy diplomatic excuse to maintain their 'neutral' stance and still ship weapons. Just say that Russia can't complain because according to Russia there is no war, just a "special military operation", and Swiss policy only cares about actual wars.

As far as precedents go, it's trivial for a country to avoid fitting in that loophole - just call it a 'war' when you invade.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Swiss neutrality is ridiculous to me. Fuckin tom bombadil rear end country

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

mobby_6kl posted:

So the Air Force is getting rid of about 100 F-15C/Ds (left) here. Where are they going, Biden?

To the breakers. The youngest F-15C is 40 years old. The oldest are quite a bit older than that. They have already started to have minor issues such as "a wing fell off".

Some of the F-16s that are being retired from formations converting to F-35 are still in usable condition, though.

Tuna-Fish fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 13, 2023

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Tuna-Fish posted:

To the breakers. The youngest F-15C is 40 years old. The oldest are quite a bit older than that. They have already started to have minor issues such as "a wing fell off".

That's ok they can fly without a wing, just send them over

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

LOVE IS BEAUTIFUL
(づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ♥(‘∀’●)

Tuna-Fish posted:

To the breakers. The youngest F-15C is 40 years old. The oldest are quite a bit older than that. They have already started to have minor issues such as "a wing fell off".

that's just what happens when you attach a plane to an engine, it still flies right?

Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots
I'm fairly certain that the UAF could get that wing back on and wreck some poo poo with it.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008




Tuna-Fish posted:

To the breakers. The youngest F-15C is 40 years old. The oldest are quite a bit older than that. They have already started to have minor issues such as "a wing fell off".

They can still fly in that condition though.



Probably not a combat mission I guess.

enigma74
Aug 5, 2005
a lean lobster who probably doesn't even taste good.
Just a thought...but perhaps countries that are determined to be neutral like Switzerland shouldn't be manufacture weapons meant for war, then complain when they might be used.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

enigma74 posted:

Just a thought...but perhaps countries that are determined to be neutral like Switzerland shouldn't be manufacture weapons meant for war, then complain when they might be used.

How do you make money then

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Speaking of the Wagners, half of the prisoners they've recruited have been killed or wounded according to UK intelligence:

Business Insider posted:

Around half of the prisoners recruited to fight in Ukraine by the Russian mercenary Wagner Group have likely been killed or wounded so far in the war, according to UK intelligence.

The UK Ministry of Defence said in an intelligence update on Monday that "about half of the prisoners Wagner has already deployed in Ukraine have likely become casualties."

Early in the conflict the pro-Kremlin mercenary force was given permission to recruit from prisons, offering pardons in exchange for time served on the front lines.

It is not clear exactly how many prisoners the group has sent to Ukraine, but the US Department of Defense estimated in December that it then had around 40,000 prisoners deployed in the country, as well as 10,000 contractors.

The group has been fighting for months for the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, which has become one of the bloodiest and longest-running battles in the war. Commanders on both sides have called it a "meat grinder."

In February, it was reported that Wagner had stopped recruiting prisoners as growing numbers refused to be enlisted on suicide missions in Ukraine, according to multiple reports.

It's also been reported that the group has now been blocked from recruiting new prisoners.

Instead, the UK MOD said on Monday that Wagner recruiters had spoken in Moscow high schools, and collected the details of students who were interested in fighting.

But it added that recruiting from schools would likely not be enough to bridge the gap caused by it no longer having access to prisoners.

If it's still unable to recruit from prisons, Wagner's founder Yevgeny Prigozhin "will likely be forced to reduce the scale or intensity of Wagner operations in Ukraine," the MOD said.

The Washington DC-based Institute for the Study of War think tank said in an update on Sunday that Russia's military leadership may actually be deliberately letting Wagner soldiers get killed off in Bakhmut, as a result of an ongoing feud between Prigozhin and Russian military leadership.

Prigozhin and the army's top brass have been involved in an escalating power struggle over the invasion, clashing over credit for victories and access to supplies.

Prigozhin said last week that he had been cut off by Russian President Vladimir Putin, and accused the military of ignoring his requests for more ammunition for his troops.

https://www.businessinsider.com/half-russia-prisoners-fighting-ukraine-killed-or-wounded-uk-intel-2023-3


Rumblings of the counteroffensive...

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1635335558649225216?s=20

Ukrainian Partisans destroy railway tracks in Kherson oblast, likely as part of upcoming counteroffensive operations:

https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/national-resistance-center-partisans-destroy-railway-track-in-russian-occupied-part-of-kherson-oblast

Kyiv Independent posted:

Members of the Atesh partisan movement blew up the railway track between the occupied settlements of Abrikosivka and Radensk in Ukraine's southern Kherson Oblast, the Ukrainian military's National Resistance Center reported on March 12.

According to the report, the aim of the operations was to disrupt Russian ground logistics supply chains.

“We work around the clock for the destruction of the occupying forces and the liberation of Ukraine,” Atesh’s statement said, adding the video of the March 11 explosion.

Ukrainian partisans continue to work in the occupied areas of southern Ukraine, targeting both logistics supply lines and high-level political and military officials.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Mar 13, 2023

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.

mobby_6kl posted:

How do you make money then

Tourism and/or really niche porn OP

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
Recruiting high schoolers in Moscow seems like a bad idea

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Telsa Cola posted:

Recruiting high schoolers in Moscow seems like a bad idea

They are nowhere near as weapons proficient as their American 🇺🇸 counterparts

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
A really good video about Putin's censorship and restrictions of the media and free speech in Russia, and how some Youtubers are fighting back:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u550Si9rNv4


Another good article covering what Russia's doing in Moldova to destabilize it:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-influence-operation-targets-moldova-amid-threats-of-coup?ref=wrap

The Daily Beast posted:

Russia is working behind the scenes to run a major influence operation designed to destabilize the current government of Moldova, with the apparent aim of installing a Russia-friendly government, U.S. and Moldovan officials told The Daily Beast.

Signs of the Kremlin’s alleged operation—which aims to subvert the current Moldovan government and foment unrest through protests in Moldova—are evident in both Moldova and Transnistria, the Russia-backed breakaway region in Moldova, a U.S. diplomat who recently visited both of those regions told The Daily Beast.

The ultimate goal is to undermine the pro-Western government of Moldovan President Maia Sandu and sweep the country, which declared independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, back into Russia’s fold, U.S. Ambassador Michael Carpenter told The Daily Beast.

The Russian information operation, which leans on social media and Russian government officials as mouthpieces to amplify tensions in Moldova—both online and in the physical realm—is “intense” right now, said Carpenter, the U.S. Permanent Representative to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

“What I clearly observed while I was there was a very intense Russian information operation” focused on amplifying economic concerns in Moldova and aiming “to destabilize the situation and get people worried,” Carpenter told The Daily Beast, adding that Russia is “trying to create uncertainty” and “stir the pot… to create headwinds for this government.”


The campaign is just the latest effort from Russia to try to spread pro-Russian and anti-Western sentiment in post-Soviet states, as Russia continues its war in Ukraine and attempts to claim territories with historical ties to the Soviet Union, the Moldovan Ambassador to the United States, Viorel Ursu, told The Daily Beast.

The warnings about Russian information operations to spur unrest in Moldova come days after Sandu cautioned that Moldova has knowledge of a Russian plot to stage a coup in Moldova, complete with attacks on government buildings and hostage plans.

“Russian authorities have been very clear about their desire to keep the spheres of influence,” Ursu told The Daily Beast. “Russia wants to keep a larger sphere of influence in what they call the ‘near abroad.’”

Concerning signals have been bubbling up for weeks that Russia is interested in subverting the status quo in Moldova. Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov threatened that Moldova could become the “next Ukraine” last month.

The head of Moldova’s Intelligence and Security Services (SIS), Alexandru Musteata, has suggested that Russia could invade Moldova in March or April.

The influence operation has consisted of a network of messaging campaigns—from television to social media, including Telegram and Facebook, the Moldovan ambassador said.

Moscow has worked from its typical playbook in recent weeks—the same one it applied to the United States—of reaching into the internal tensions in another country and amplifying them online.

Although there is some existing, organic tension in the country right now about the cost of living, Russia is artificially amping them up, Ursu explained, adding that many of the problems stressing residents in Moldova can be traced back to Russia in the first place. Moldova is almost entirely dependent on Russia for gas, and when Russia shut off the gas in November as part of its efforts to weaponize energy in the Ukraine war, it kicked off a process that has triggered massive inflation in Moldova.

“There is genuine discontent because of the high prices. But it also gives an opportunity for Russia to infiltrate some of the more provocative elements among the protesters,” Ursu told The Daily Beast.

Already, the operation, which has focused on spreading anti-government slogans and encouraging protesters to demand the government pay for electricity, has spilled over into the physical realm. Demonstrators have taken to the streets of Moldova in recent months, demanding the government help residents with energy bills and a Sandu ouster.

Russia-friendly political elements with links to the pro-Kremlin Shor party in Moldova have backed the protests with financing from Moscow, according to Moldova’s government.

The Shor party has also been helping provide training to demonstrators in Moldova, according to local media. The party recently sent 80 young people from Chisinau and from other districts in Moldova to Turkey in order to train them on how to cause disorder during protests, including by breaking police cordons and throwing stones and smoke bombs, border police sources told Deschide.MD.

The White House National Security Council confirmed in a call Friday that it believes Russia may be backing protests in Moldova.

Moldova’s uphill battle with influence ops has been complicated by its struggle in getting social media companies to step up monitoring and blocking influence campaigns online.

Ilan Shor, the oligarch behind the Shor party, worked with Moscow-based entities and Russian individuals to foment unrest in Moldova and undermine Sandu in preparation for the 2021 elections, according to the U.S. Treasury Department. The Treasury sanctioned Shor last year for election interference.

It’s a step that should, in theory, prohibit dealings with Shor and related entities. But social media companies’ efforts to tamp down on Shor-linked ops have floundered.

Although Facebook removed Shor’s ability to post ads on Facebook apps after he was sanctioned, some Shor posts are still slipping through. Facebook has allowed ads from Shor encouraging demonstrators to take to the streets in Moldova in recent weeks, despite sanctions.

Facebook, after detecting some activity and receiving tip-offs from civil society in Moldova, removed the ads. A Meta spokesperson stressed that Facebook adheres to U.S. sanctions law in comments to The Daily Beast.

Still, the social media arm of Russia’s influence operation has been exploiting gaps in companies’ ability to monitor and curtail such operations online.

In some cases, the pro-Russia party has been been attempting to fly under the radar by making pages on Facebook with different names, but using the same pictures, which is a dead giveaway that they are linked, according to research the Atlantic Council's Digital Forensic Research Lab (DFRLab) shared with The Daily Beast.

“Every time Facebook shuts them down, they create new pages,” Victoria Olari, who studies disinformation in Moldova for DFRLab, told The Daily Beast. “It’s very difficult to track these pages.”

Moldova’s government has pressed Facebook to step up efforts to track and block pro-Russian influence campaigns targeting Moldova, but problems remain, Ursu said.

“He continues to place paid advertisements on Facebook, and we’ve been complaining many times to Meta… to put restrictions on these advertisements,” Ursu said, referring to Shor. “It’s been a catchup game. We still continue seeing proliferation of those paid advertisements.”

On Friday, DFRLab identified a new active ad tied to Shor that promotes a protest date this Sunday. Like other Shor ads, it is aimed at spreading anti-government slogans and encourages protesters to demand the government pay for residents’ electricity and gas bills.


The movement also has an associated page and several associated fake accounts that comment on the page in an apparent attempt to generate artificial attention for the cause, according to DFRLab.

“Troll farms are working on their pages, promoting their posts,” Olari said. “They’re just creating activity on the page.”

Facebook acknowledged social media account farms have been attempting to acquire Shor’s pages and accounts and said it is working to continue to take action.

Moldova has been working to limit Russian disinformation in the country by blocking Russian channels. But that doesn’t necessarily help filter out Russian disinformation from every generation, Ursu acknowledged, noting that Facebook, Telegram, and TikTok are more popular among the younger set.

Moscow has been working to spread the false narrative that Ukraine is preparing to invade the Russia-backed breakaway region of Transnistria on Telegram for the last two weeks, according to DFRLab research.

Just this week, authorities in Russia-backed Transnistria have accused Ukrainian intelligence of harboring a plot to assassinate the Transistrian leaders. Ukraine has denied the allegations and said they are a Kremlin provocation.

Alongside warnings about the coup plot, Moldovan officials have been raising alarm bells about potential military action from Russia for weeks. But multiple officials told the Daily Beast the primary concern right now is that Russia is attempting a coup plot aimed at exacerbating tensions, causing chaos in the streets of Moldova, and weakening or eliminating the Moldovan government’s control of the country.

“I don’t see any threats in or around Moldova of a military nature,” Carpenter said.

Russia has many of its resources tied up in eastern Ukraine, so military action in Moldova might not be the natural next step, according to the National Security Council.


That is why it is likely relying on propaganda that can stir unrest, Matthew Orr, a Eurasia analyst at risk intelligence firm RANE, told The Daily Beast.

“It doesn’t like this Moldovan government. The problem is that it doesn’t really have a path for doing much about it,” Orr said. “That’s what this coup talk is about.”

Part of Russia’s motivation for targeting Moldova may be a ploy to discourage Western governments from supporting Ukraine. As the thinking goes, for those fearful of domestic dissent about the cascading consequences of war, such as inflation and rising energy prices, watching chaos unfold in Moldova could serve as a lesson.

“They also wanted to scare,” Orr said. “Moldova is not directly participating in the war. If they’re being enveloped by a protest movement over alleged falling living standards and high energy and electric prices, then European governments can say, ‘Hold on, could the same thing ferment? Are we really prepared for that?’”

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Mar 13, 2023

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

HonorableTB posted:


Another good article covering what Russia's doing in Moldova to destabilize it:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russian-influence-operation-targets-moldova-amid-threats-of-coup?ref=wrap

Wow remember when espionage was illegal and you could arrest people who were blatantly performing it? Those were the days.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
How are communications being handled in a world of cell phones? Back when the war started there were all those articles about Russian soldiers utterly failing at Opsec because they kept texting and calling people on their mobile phones that they were somehow allowed to bring into combat.

With Ukrainian partisans possibly blowing poo poo up in occupied regions, are they coordinating using mobile devices as well or would they have a more secure line of communication to avoid getting sniffed out?

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse
Thread on the STALKER drama

https://twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1635349314854875138

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Arc Hammer posted:

How are communications being handled in a world of cell phones? Back when the war started there were all those articles about Russian soldiers utterly failing at Opsec because they kept texting and calling people on their mobile phones that they were somehow allowed to bring into combat.

With Ukrainian partisans possibly blowing poo poo up in occupied regions, are they coordinating using mobile devices as well or would they have a more secure line of communication to avoid getting sniffed out?

Its basically open radiowaves communications. "Archammerkovich from Russianstad, please come home alive, I miss you so" -> go for the predesignated target 2, you have a 24h window starting this evening.

That stuff gets lost in the idle chatter and actual mobile phone usage.

Jonny Nox
Apr 26, 2008





The punchline:

https://twitter.com/betelgeuse1922/status/1635360444625084416?s=20

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

This is loving disgusting, being blackmailed by a military policeman from the DNR.

poor waif
Apr 8, 2007
Kaboom

Arc Hammer posted:

How are communications being handled in a world of cell phones? Back when the war started there were all those articles about Russian soldiers utterly failing at Opsec because they kept texting and calling people on their mobile phones that they were somehow allowed to bring into combat.

With Ukrainian partisans possibly blowing poo poo up in occupied regions, are they coordinating using mobile devices as well or would they have a more secure line of communication to avoid getting sniffed out?

Seems like the standard thing for Russians to do when they take a new settlement is to collect everyone's cell phones to prevent information getting to Ukrainians. I'd imagine those are the phones the Russian soldiers are using.

There have been quite a few reports of people on both sides communicating with authorities over Telegram, so I'd imagine that's the way things are done.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

A point of order to be mentioned that, for example, the disastrous incident at Makiivka on New Year's Eve primarily resulted not so much because of concentrations of cell phone signals from School no. 19 than they (Russians) were so careless that they put their whole motor pool, heavy armor, heavy weapons, etc. all around the building so that anyone could probably tell at that point that it was being used as either a barracks or a motor pool, or as it happened in this case, both + the ammunition storage in the basement.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1635342782238969856
Poo Tin thinks the world envies his mafia run gas station. How cute.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

zone posted:

A point of order to be mentioned that, for example, the disastrous incident at Makiivka on New Year's Eve primarily resulted not so much because of concentrations of cell phone signals from School no. 19 than they (Russians) were so careless that they put their whole motor pool, heavy armor, heavy weapons, etc. all around the building so that anyone could probably tell at that point that it was being used as either a barracks or a motor pool, or as it happened in this case, both + the ammunition storage in the basement.

It certainly did not help that the Russians at Makiivka and Avdiivka were doing public broadcasts on Telegram from inside those buildings all the way up until the HIMARS hit em

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Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

HonorableTB posted:

It certainly did not help that the Russians at Makiivka and Avdiivka were doing public broadcasts on Telegram from inside those buildings all the way up until the HIMARS hit em

Kadyrovites and Wagner also got a visit from the Aunt Himars after they kept broadcasting from their headquarters and someone on the Ukrainian side pinpointed their location based on the buildings outside the premises.

They fully deserve it, if not for anything else but because it literally is opsec 101, but it is really stupidly funny how it just keeps happening again and again to the Russians.

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