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Arrath posted:Mine sweeping, one presumes based off of the employment of similar quipment. Honestly the example one in the tweet image makes Renault FT and Whippet look like they are just a matter of time anymore. I mean, for the general equipment most of the WW1 firearms have already made their appearances in this war.
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Didn’t the tsars make some huge wheel tank thing? Where are they keeping that at? Time to roll it out.
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Oh I think I get it now, they're pulling out equipment so old that no one bothered to put it's profile into the Javelin CLU.
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Mar 13, 2023 21:56
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Considering this is a command variant with multiple radios and stuff I doubt it is for mine clearing, I think it is a HARM / HiMARS stock depletion device.
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Mar 13, 2023 22:01
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Valtonen posted:Considering this is a command variant with multiple radios and stuff I doubt it is for mine clearing, I think it is a HARM / HiMARS stock depletion device. In general I've only ever seen HIMARS being used to attack either artillery batteries/similar HVTs or columns of vehicles, as opposed to individual tanks or APCs of any description, when they aren't being used to strike concentrations of troops/equipment/supplies. There just aren't that many rockets to go around for that purpose.
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Mar 13, 2023 22:10
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Pine Cone Jones posted:https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1635340216931328002?t=I54KU10UK96Xei2ZfBsQow&s=19
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I'm pretty sure any apc out there could, or an m72, or a drunk farmer with a glock. Hell even a dragon.
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Am I the only person who's confused about why Russia is still holding on to 70 year old equipment?
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psydude posted:Am I the only person who's confused about why Russia is still holding on to 70 year old equipment? They were unable sell that stuff away after USSR collapsed, so they are just throwing it at the enemy at this point since they don't have anything else left in their "'unending' vaults of soviet gear". ...And its not *that* crazy, FDF is also a hoarder and some of the stuff that served in WW2 was just recently (ie. less than 30 years ago) donated away or scrapped, most of the after-WW2 stuff besides vehicles and planes are still in the vaults as a backup for a backup for a backup.
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psydude posted:Am I the only person who's confused about why Russia is still holding on to 70 year old equipment? cheaper to abandon it than inventory and destroy?
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Mar 13, 2023 22:55
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Probably a combination of inertia and lack of a reason to get rid of it. They clearly aren’t spending much on upkeep and maintenance, so why go through the trouble (and expense) of scrapping perfectly good rust collectors?
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Mar 13, 2023 22:59
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You don't really hang on to 50 year old equipment. You hang on to 20-30 year old equipment, and then just never stop hanging onto it.
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Mar 13, 2023 23:16
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We still use the M577, and they aren't that much younger.
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Madurai posted:We still use the M577, and they aren't that much younger. Yeah, but those get maintained. I would be shocked if even one out of every ten BTR-50s that Russia pulls out of the dustbin will turn over.
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Kazinsal posted:Yeah, but those get maintained. I would be shocked if even one out of every ten BTR-50s that Russia pulls out of the dustbin will turn over. Out of every 10 they can maybe cannibalize a single one into working, maybe.
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Well, this war has definitely shown that if your armory has the reserves to give a ww2/Korea-era machine gun and semiautomatics to the third line infantry and troops guarding the transit lines, you are beyond the capabilities of how Russian kits out their client states and militia. Throw a couple of recoilless rifles from the 60's against armored cars and other vehicles without proper ERA to the more important staging areas, and you are better than well-off against Russia in the near future.
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Murgos posted:Didn’t the tsars make some huge wheel tank thing? As funny as seeing this go up against a Leopard 2 (or literally anything else in TYOOL 2023) would be, the only example ever built was dismantled for scrap a hundred years ago already after it failed to meet expectations during testing.
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Der Kyhe posted:Well, this war has definitely shown that if your armory has the reserves to give a ww2/Korea-era machine gun and semiautomatics to the third line infantry and troops guarding the transit lines, you are beyond the capabilities of how Russian kits out their client states and militia. The mashup of equipment on the Ukrainian side is always a beautiful thing to behold. You've got previous and current gen NATO tech alongside Maxim guns with rails and optic mounts on them, which they clearly had to have been storing fairly well for them to just come out of storage, get some picatinny welded onto them, and be deployed to the front lines with some spare red dots to great effect.
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https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1635385999504330757 It feels noteworthy if members of the Serbian government are calling for sanctions on Russia. Haven't they pretty consistently taken Russia's side on most issues, and vice versa, so far? Presumably they're starting to see Russia as the wrong horse to bet on, but it'll be interesting to see if more traditional Russian allies eventually start following suit.
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Pine Cone Jones posted:https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1635340216931328002?t=I54KU10UK96Xei2ZfBsQow&s=19 the role is toilet does no one else see the toilet paper?
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Slashrat posted:As funny as seeing this go up against a Leopard 2 (or literally anything else in TYOOL 2023) would be, the only example ever built was dismantled for scrap a hundred years ago already after it failed to meet expectations during testing.
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When are the muskets going to be pulled out of storage? I wanna see musketeers vs. a tank, Civilization 1 & 2-style.
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Mar 14, 2023 00:41
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Jimmy Smuts posted:When are the muskets going to be pulled out of storage? I wanna see musketeers vs. a tank, Civilization 1 & 2-style. Makhnallyskaya
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Jimmy Smuts posted:When are the muskets going to be pulled out of storage? I wanna see musketeers vs. a tank, Civilization 1 & 2-style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northover_Projector
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300829552/watch-kiwi-soldier-in-ukraine-saves-longlost-friend-he-thought-was-dead Here's a hella rare feel-good story from the front lines. The moment they recognise each other is so loving great.
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Saw this over in the spaceflight thread:LRADIKAL posted:https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1635343338344972288 Putin getting behind on the bills?
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Oh that is extremely interesting news. Baikonur has been an obvious vulnerability ever since the USSR collapsed, and my impression is that all Russian attempts to build a space port within their borders have fizzled out in much the same way as all their prestige projects.
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What the actual gently caress? If Russia can't keep hold of that equipment they are all but finished as a world power, right?
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Computer viking posted:Oh that is extremely interesting news. Baikonur has been an obvious vulnerability ever since the USSR collapsed, and my impression is that all Russian attempts to build a space port within their borders have fizzled out in much the same way as all their prestige projects. ISS is in the orbit it’s in due to where Baikonur sits. It’s at 51.6°, which is a pretty inclined orbit (especially launching from Canaveral).
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Checking in quickly with the ars technica forum thread, this has apparently been clarified to be the under construction systems for the upcoming Soyuz-5, not the active part of the launch site. Ref https://mobile.twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1635386687894462465
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Jimmy Smuts posted:When are the muskets going to be pulled out of storage? I wanna see musketeers vs. a tank, Civilization 1 & 2-style. I think the oldest, weirdest stuff got commited in Donetsk prior to this (part of the) war. Fuckin' 14.5mm anti-tank rifles, RGD-33 grenades, ancient pre-Shpagin D(Sh)Ks, PPS-43s, that poo poo was wild. Still would not rule out some crazy old bastard rolling around with a Berdanka and a long, curved dagger.
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Dandywalken posted:Any other sources? https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/space/kazakhstan-seizes-russian-assets-baikonur-spaceport Still not a long list of convincing sources, but it is more than just "a dude with a tweet".
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Kazinsal posted:Yeah, but those get maintained. I would be shocked if even one out of every ten BTR-50s that Russia pulls out of the dustbin will turn over. Historically Russia uses a gently caress ton of decoys and a lot of those things are, if nothing else, fine to park semi-concealed on or near a base and hopefully soak up a strike or two. Aside from that, this war is proving that there are infinite uses for armored boxes on wheels that get people safely from A to B. Tbh I'd love to hear more about contemporary Russian use of decoys, but for obvious reasons we hear very, very little about them. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Mar 14, 2023 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:safely Yeah I don’t know about that part.
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madeintaipei posted:I think the oldest, weirdest stuff got commited in Donetsk prior to this (part of the) war. Fuckin' 14.5mm anti-tank rifles, RGD-33 grenades, ancient pre-Shpagin D(Sh)Ks, PPS-43s, that poo poo was wild. One of those M1931 towed 8-inch howitzers with treads instead of wheels got rolled off a monument plinth and back into the shootin' war back then, I remember that story going by.
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