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Hey guys here's a 30 grand SFP28 switch for the home
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The "home" bit isn't like, your house. It's your /home. This shows that it's aimed at the high end consumer /professional market He explained that recently and I almost fell off my seat laughing.
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Mar 14, 2023 15:02
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Cantide posted:I was for the first 30 seconds of the video then I stopped and decided to look for the price: there’s more barebones ones for $1000ish https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/workstations/thinkstation-p-series/thinkstation-p360-ultra-(intel)/30g1002gus
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Mar 14, 2023 15:04
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I'm still not seeing the appeal, you're paying over the odds for an i5 mainly for the ISV certification and then running Plex or whatever on it.
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Mar 14, 2023 15:13
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Also paying for a 3 year on site warranty which is just lol for your home plex server.
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Mar 14, 2023 15:15
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Maybe the plex server is critical for family peace?
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Mar 14, 2023 15:28
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Adolf Glitter posted:The "home" bit isn't like, your house. It's your /home. This shows that it's aimed at the high end consumer /professional market I just assumed they were playing 4D chess, reviewing hardware today for everyone that will be pulling it from eBay in 5-7 years for their homelabs. Wibla posted:Maybe the plex server is critical for family peace? Enos Cabell posted:I knew I shouldn't have signed that 99.99% Plex uptime SLA my wife shoved in my face.
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Mar 14, 2023 15:47
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I just like enterprise hardware, I always emphasize to people building homelabs that, no, you do NOT need the sort of equipment I collect, I'm just insane and have an unhealthy addiction.
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Mar 14, 2023 16:36
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Adolf Glitter posted:The "home" bit isn't like, your house. It's your /home. This shows that it's aimed at the high end consumer /professional market
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Mar 14, 2023 16:36
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CommieGIR posted:I just like enterprise hardware, I always emphasize to people building homelabs that, no, you do NOT need the sort of equipment I collect, I'm just insane and have an unhealthy addiction. You say that, but $100 DAS boxes are  With that many drives I wouldn't even mind running 3TB spindles, they're loving cheap to get when they die.
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Mar 14, 2023 18:03
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IOwnCalculus posted:You say that, but $100 DAS boxes are
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Mar 14, 2023 18:57
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e.pilot posted:there’s more barebones ones for $1000ish But the nvidia a5000 is half the fun
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Mar 14, 2023 19:12
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Dear penthouse, I never thought this could happen to me but I now have 483 gb of mirrored ZFS storage running on that rockpro64. Total cost?? only ~$300 ish dollars! That's better than 1 GB per dollar!!! code:Next step buy some bigger disks after I'm happy with the install. Still need to set up samba and see if anything weird happens. Thanks for the advice to just prove it will even boot to begin with before looking for disks.
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Mar 14, 2023 22:56
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Is there a list or site out there that can quickly tell me what currently available external drives have a CMR type drive in them ? I have to replace an external used to hold backups so write speed is a priority. I vaguely recall seeing a site mentioned here that had to do with the $/gb of externals & shucking them but I cant remember the url.
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Mar 15, 2023 16:50
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MREBoy posted:Is there a list or site out there that can quickly tell me what currently available external drives have a CMR type drive in them ? I have to replace an external used to hold backups so write speed is a priority. I vaguely recall seeing a site mentioned here that had to do with the $/gb of externals & shucking them but I cant remember the url. https://shucks.top/ https://www.truenas.com/community/resources/list-of-known-smr-drives.141/ afaik this list gets updated as events warrant. So buying a WD external in sizes above 8TB is going to be CMR. However: as a single drive, writing data in large chunks, SMR is just as fast as CMR. The problems with SMR are for multi-drive stripe layouts (raid0/5/6, zfs) and doing many small writes amid existing data. So depending on what backup system you use, it may or may not be an issue. (Mirroring data with rsync, probably bad. Full images or backup systems that write compressed archives, not a problem.)
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Mar 15, 2023 17:30
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Drive-managed SMR still isn't great for single-disk storage, unless you're exclusively sticking to write-once-read-many data patterns and don't do any kind of random I/O on them. If you ever delete files (breaking the WORM pattern) or read or write randomly, I/O goes to absolute poo poo in a very short amount of time (as soon as the few-hundred-megabyte cache fills up). The worst is when vendors submarine SMR into CMR lines. Speaking of non-poo poo SMR, Dropbox has an excellent overview showing how host-managed SMR can be used to great effect - provided you're a direct customer of the manufacturer, rather than going through a retailer.
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Mar 15, 2023 18:58
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The Best Buy about a mile from my house has the WD 8TB My Book (WDBBGB0080HBK-NESN) for $160. I'd love to know what the significant differences are between the various Easystore, My Book, and Elements models beyond the different capacity ranges & external case appearance.
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Mar 16, 2023 03:56
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MREBoy posted:I'd love to know what the significant differences are between the various Easystore, My Book, and Elements My Book has hardware encryption on the usb controller, so don't assume you can read data off of the drive after shucking it. It will behave normally after formatting.
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Mar 16, 2023 04:45
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CopperHound posted:Easystore is just the best buy version of elements. Sorry if I didn't make it clear (or mention it at all) I'm not interested in buying this to shuck it, I need to replace an external that gets used 6 days a week by a backup app that does disk images of some other disks I have. In the last day or 2 its been doing things (randomly disappearing from Windows, I/O errors) that make me think its dying. Already copied off everything on it to another drive.
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Mar 16, 2023 04:58
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MREBoy posted:I'm not interested in buying this to shuck it I might be wrong about the hardware encryption. CopperHound fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Mar 16, 2023 |
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Mar 16, 2023 07:37
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Looks like they quit doing the weird encryption using the USB controller, and now are just using the standard drive encryption of the HDD inside. So if you chose to encrypt the drive and the enclosure fails, you can read it with a normal PC (and the password). That said, use Bitlocker if you want to encrypt your drives, not drive-based or whatever junk comes with some cheap hardware.
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Mar 16, 2023 14:54
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newegg has the 18tb elements on sale for $250 today. 1 per person but that's way better than the 500 gb disks I'm running at the moment. I also have an old drobo b800i I want to use, but geez what a pain. At least I got it for free full of 2tb disks. Terrified of it going down and ANYTHING on it being needed due to their impenetrable data scheme. Maybe better to try and sell it on instead?
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Mar 16, 2023 15:50
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Vaporware posted:newegg has the 18tb elements on sale for $250 today.
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Mar 16, 2023 16:17
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Klyith posted:Looks like they quit doing the weird encryption using the USB controller, and now are just using the standard drive encryption of the HDD inside. So if you chose to encrypt the drive and the enclosure fails, you can read it with a normal PC (and the password). Bitlocker used to use the drive's native encryption if available - did they change that after the vulnerabilities?
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Mar 17, 2023 10:32
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Computer viking posted:Bitlocker used to use the drive's native encryption if available - did they change that after the vulnerabilities? Yes.
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Mar 17, 2023 15:46
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Vaporware posted:newegg has the 18tb elements on sale for $250 today this is still up so I'm going to try and order another? lol if they let me then that makes this easy. edit: they said "out of stock" this morning oh well, at least I got one. Vaporware fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 20, 2023 |
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Mar 18, 2023 20:22
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I started using a NAS a couple years ago, just an AMD APU on an m-itx board, with an SSD for the OS and a 4tb WD Red drive for files. It's mainly a Plex server, torrent box, and a home cloud backup for my phone (syncthing). I'm starting to run out of space in the one 4tb drive and I'm considering where to go from here. Im either going to add another drive and go for a RAID setup, or replace this drive with a larger one. A few questions: 1) I've never done any variation of RAID. I believe I've heard that hardware RAID is out of favour these days, so is there a preferred software thing or are people doing this in BIOS? My low power APU is already barely good enough to transcode a media file, would I have trouble with software RAID? Is this just a windows feature now? 2) Would I need to buy another of the same capacity drive to do RAID properly? If not I'd rather buy a larger drive and enjoy the extra space. If I do need to have two of the same capacity, I'll just get two larger drives. 3) What's the thread opinion on preferred NAS drives these days? I'm happy with the red but I see there's also Red Plus and Red Pro. These seem like they're just more robust in terms of operating conditions and some better internal tech that makes them less likely to fail. I don't mind spending a little more for the Plus drives but I don't imagine there's any benefit to the Pro in my use case. Is there another product that is a thread favorite for NAS drives? Thanks!
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Mar 19, 2023 18:58
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VelociBacon posted:I started using a NAS a couple years ago, just an AMD APU on an m-itx board, with an SSD for the OS and a 4tb WD Red drive for files. It's mainly a Plex server, torrent box, and a home cloud backup for my phone (syncthing). Raid isn't really what you are looking for in this case. Raid levels would be: raid 1 (no added capacity, but you have more redundency) raid 0 (no redundency, doubled failure rate) raid 5 with 3 drives or more (it can handle 1 drive failure, you lose 1 drive of capacity) - aka raid z1 with zfs raid 6 with 4 drives or more (it can handle any 2 drive failures, you lose 2 drives of capacity) - aka raid z2 in zfs raid 10 (a combo of 0 + 1) In any of these except for 1, you'd have to wipe the drive and start fresh to configure it that way. Hardware raid and Windows is not the right tool for this task. What you really want is to just buy a bigger drive or drives and set them up in the configuration you want, preferably in something like TrueNAS, then transfer the data over from your current drive. People also like unraid, but I don't know anything about it except that you're licensing it onto a usb key?????? As for drives, WD has: Red: up to 6tb is SMR, which is not suitable for any kind of redundency or performance Red Plus: Capacities of 8tb and up are CMR, which is what you want. "5400rpm" performance, which is fine for your application Red Pro: Also CMR, but with the 7200rpm performance. Also louder and takes more power. Gold: Enterprise drives which are good and expensive Various easystore, easyshare, mybook, etc external drives: Usually have white label versions of one of the drives above inside, usually much cheaper than buying the bare drive. You pay for this with a lesser warranty, and some of them won’t work with a regular sata power connector (easy fix) Seagate has a bunch of drives but gently caress seagate
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Mar 19, 2023 19:37
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Depends on your goals. If you just need a home server, simplex isn't the worst, but you still need to arrange a remote backup somehow. Either manually put a drive copy in a safety deposit box occasionally (lol that's a lot of work) or carbonite/other online slow sync. I'm going simply for a mirrored drive setup (RAID1). Big drives are absurdly cheap right now. I think I paid like $150 for a 5tb a couple years ago and I just got 18tb disks for $250 last week. I'm doing software raid because I'm just not interested in running loud, power hungry server stuff that work is tossing out. The keywords you're looking for regarding drives at the moment are CMR and SMR. basically SMR is slower (for the time being) due to read and write structure.
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If you do go down the unraid route you're going to want to pick up 2 new drives - one for parity and one for data. Unraid limits the total storage available per risk to the size of the parity drive so this should match the largest single risk in your array. Now you could run without parity but you won't have a chance to rebuild if something fails it'll be gone. Unraid doesn't offer a very high degree of data protection so I'd only recommend it for media/stuff easily replaced in the worst case. Anything important should be backed up somewhere else like B2 which it can do selectively and automatically. I personally love unraid at home and if you start with trash guides from the get go you'll have a great time moving to docker and the arrs etc. It definitely isn't close to an enterprise grade backup solution but it is great for home use like your scenario and hardware, noting the above.
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Mar 19, 2023 23:05
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unraid is great I run two instances one is primarily backups of the main one, irreplaceable important stuff also gets backed up to google drive as well
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Mar 20, 2023 00:51
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Don't make me tap the data resiliency sign.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:55
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Don't make me tap the data resiliency sign.  if it’s not in at least 3 places it doesn’t exist
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Mar 20, 2023 00:55
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e.pilot posted:
The data resiliency sign is the one about synchronizing bad data because the primary filesystem wasn't design around the notion that disks lie all the time.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:22
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Oh, that's the backup sign. It's fine. Anyone starting out in this doesn't care.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:25
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Hey guys. I shoot photos as a hobby and would like to set up a NAS for photo backup (yee 100,000+ catalog). I'm pretty new to this thing, having survived off a series of poorly maintained external hard drives. The primary use of this NAS would be photo access and storage for 1-5 users. Eventually I'd like to get back into serving obscure sci-fi off Plex to my local network, but that's much less pressing. I was thinking about purchasing the Synology DS923+ w/ WD Red Plus drives from B&H photo, and was wondering if anybody had other recommendations. I'd also like to purchase a backup supply, and was debating between APC or Cyberpower and it looks like opinions are mixed at this time.
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Mar 20, 2023 05:55
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what’s your budget and technical abilities
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Mar 20, 2023 07:05
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e.pilot posted:what’s your budget and technical abilities Ideally under $1-2k. Can go over but need good use case. Technical abilities are mild-moderate at best, hence why Synology's 'just set up and go' is probably idea for me.
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Mar 20, 2023 16:36
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Unraid 6.12 is adding zfs support I think the next time 14TB EasyStores go on sale, I’ll pick up 2x of them and do the data shuffle, move data off 4x10TB drives, and reformat them for zfs pool for faster access to certain files.
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Corb3t posted:Unraid 6.12 is adding zfs support Nice, just in time for me to finally assemble my new NAS box and move stuff over, that rocks.
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