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The Chad Jihad
Feb 24, 2007


The only scientists I trust are on monster bug wars

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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Cosmik Slop posted:

"Breaking the Waves" by Von Trier, I think

Breaking Away is still good tho. And not a huge rear end bummer.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


They still sell special raw ground beef for cannibal sandwiches in eastern Wisconsin and across the northern Midwest/Great Plains. It’s also called “tiger meat” and a bunch of other things I’m sure. A very tasty holiday snack.

UP AND ADAM
Jan 24, 2007

by Pragmatica
No thanks!

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

The Kingfish posted:

They still sell special raw ground beef for cannibal sandwiches in eastern Wisconsin and across the northern Midwest/Great Plains.

the real reason Hillary didn't campaign in Wisconsin is that she'll never forgive them for the disappointment she felt the first time she bit into one of these

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

Love hearing three dudes whose entire lifestyle is supported by Silicon Valley developments and websites talk about fake piles of money. It u bro.

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Proust Malone posted:

Love hearing three dudes whose entire lifestyle is supported by Silicon Valley developments and websites talk about fake piles of money. It u bro.

They critique society yet continue to participate in it as well very interesting

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Marx and Lenin didn't even have calluses on their hands, loving fake communists.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Proust Malone posted:

Love hearing three dudes whose entire lifestyle is supported by Silicon Valley developments and websites talk about fake piles of money. It u bro.

Ah yes I forgot that Silicon Valley tech bros invented satire, political commentary, and radio shows respectively.

I’ll be sure to inform Aristophanes and Jonathan Swift to thank Bitcoin and Steve Jobs for their fortunes and lifestyles.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
It's a dumb comment but I don't much care if the tea cookie guy wants to make fun of my imaginary Internet friends.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

space uncle posted:

Ah yes I forgot that Silicon Valley tech bros invented satire, political commentary, and radio shows respectively.

I’ll be sure to inform Aristophanes and Jonathan Swift to thank Bitcoin and Steve Jobs for their fortunes and lifestyles.

Three dudes who met on twitter, doing a podcast, getting paid on patreon. Cmon dude, the goal posts are back over here.

Proust Malone fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Mar 14, 2023

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
I, too, remember basing my entire worldview on which Bush-hating rock bands have sold out.

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~

Proust Malone posted:

Three dudes who met on twitter, doing a podcast, getting paid on patreon. Cmon dude, the goal posts are back over here.

You’re just describing them using the services of these tech companies, they’re not shareholders.

space uncle
Sep 17, 2006

"I don’t care if Biden beats Trump. I’m not offloading responsibility. If enough people feel similar to me, such as the large population of Muslim people in Dearborn, Michigan. Then he won’t"


Proust Malone posted:

Three dudes who met on twitter, doing a podcast, getting paid on patreon. Cmon dude, the goal posts are back over here.

Yeah you’re not wrong, they’re using all those platforms.

The whole point is that the platforms don’t matter. They’re just repackaging and digitizing existing ideas. Yes they’re making them more convenient and more accessible by putting them on the internet, but they don’t need a pat on the back or a major chunk of the global economy to do so.

Twitter - not much different from shouting in a public square or a letter to the editor, both time honored traditions
Podcast - radio show or once again shouting in a public square
Patreon - Latin root patron, deriving from Ancient Rome

The model of 1-3 cranks making fun of popular politics and culture and the public adoring them despite their disgusting hygiene and character flaws is so incredibly ancient. It might be the oldest profession other than prostitute. Like the first prostitute started working and then the first crank started a “podcast” in their tribe to complain about the quality of hand jobs.

Even the old timey episodes where they speak with a Mid Atlantic accent and talk about being addicted to heroin and laudanum - you can fully imagine that these three misfit useless men would either be doing this exact same thing in 1933 or perhaps dying of consumption.

Might as well say the Chapo Trap House boys owe all their success to Jonas Salk because they have the lung capacity to blow hard rather than die of polio.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦
This thread has a remarkable capacity to give license to the most tedious mother fuckers to think they've got some kind of punching insight

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

space uncle posted:

Might as well say the Chapo Trap House boys owe all their success to Jonas Salk because they have the lung capacity to blow hard rather than die of polio.

they do

Boywhiz88
Sep 11, 2005

floating 26" off da ground. BURR!
The correct argument anyway is that Patreon is a symptom of Silicon Valley rent-seeking who always need more somehow.

Patreon as a service works. There are things to improve, to scale, etc. but I can’t imagine the costs aren’t relatively static. And every dollar that goes to a Patreon, they get SOME kind of cut.

It’s like a casino. How do you gently caress that up!? But they’ve had moments where they try to do something because clearly it isn’t enough for the VC ghouls.

tylertfb
Mar 3, 2004

Time.Space.Transmat.
The fact is that all of the internet platform backbone stuff that runs everything and makes modern ‘creativity’ (I.e podcasts) possible is really just something that should be a public utility. Taxpayer funded posting platforms, taxi dispatch apps, food delivery apps, webhosting, etc etc is really where it should go. It’s just infrastructure now, and should be publicly owned. Trying to shoehorn some kind of angle for profit making is pointless.

Exodus1984
Feb 18, 2005

Eastern Europe Episode IV: A New Hope. I love President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. I understand and appreciate the precarious position the Ukrainians are navigating. I wish I could set up a 401(UA) fund from my paycheck to directly contribute my earnings to Ukraine's success.

Proust Malone posted:

Love hearing three dudes whose entire lifestyle is supported by Silicon Valley developments and websites talk about fake piles of money. It u bro.

Is this where I’m supposed to post the “I’m very intelligent” meme?

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007
I will say that I'm surprised the Patreon industry as a whole hasn't taken more of a hit with the price of groceries being what it is but I guess when you're looking for places to cut, $5 a month doesn't seem like the most obvious place to start

adebisi lives
Nov 11, 2009
You could say Jake Sully was a hypocrite for traveling the stars to pandora and using the cutting edge of technology to walk around in his avatar. The important thing was he recognized the errors of his ways and led a successful insurgency against the American empire.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
The entire Tech economy is just sad little middle men squatting on everything and demanding their cut while also wanting to be praised as saviours if the universe, as if there was no way to order a takeaway before they existed.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

I will say that I'm surprised the Patreon industry as a whole hasn't taken more of a hit with the price of groceries being what it is but I guess when you're looking for places to cut, $5 a month doesn't seem like the most obvious place to start

Or the people that subscribe to patreons are just rich liberals.

ZenMasterBullshit
Nov 2, 2011

Restaurant de Nouvelles "À Table" Proudly Presents:
A Climactic Encounter Ending on 1 Negate and a Dream

Mr Hootington posted:

Or the people that subscribe to patreons are just rich liberals.


drat I hope my money comes soon I guess.

ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 15, 2023

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

Gonzo McFee posted:

The entire Tech economy is just sad little middle men squatting on everything and demanding their cut while also wanting to be praised as saviours if the universe, as if there was no way to order a takeaway before they existed.

https://twitter.com/SxarletRed/status/1635821808543825921?s=20

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Yeah, I used to love comicbookdb.com. Someone bought them out and then, instead of updating it like they promised, just shuttered the site. And in the process they bought up a lot of people's free labour in cataloguing old books and just took it off the Internet.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Boywhiz88 posted:

The correct argument anyway is that Patreon is a symptom of Silicon Valley rent-seeking who always need more somehow.

Patreon as a service works. There are things to improve, to scale, etc. but I can’t imagine the costs aren’t relatively static. And every dollar that goes to a Patreon, they get SOME kind of cut.

It’s like a casino. How do you gently caress that up!? But they’ve had moments where they try to do something because clearly it isn’t enough for the VC ghouls.

The Patreon guy taking a bunch of money from Jared Kushner's brother was such a stupid unforced error. Finding out he was one half of one of the most obnoxious twee bands made it even funnier.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Mr Hootington posted:

Or the people that subscribe to patreons are just rich liberals.

Subscribing to E1 to support the boys and listen to their funny D&D sessions very rich liberally

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

I will say that I'm surprised the Patreon industry as a whole hasn't taken more of a hit with the price of groceries being what it is but I guess when you're looking for places to cut, $5 a month doesn't seem like the most obvious place to start

Yeah, I assume that's a big part of it. When I'm looking to cut back, a few bucks for a lot of content to make work suck less isn't where I start. Although I haven't shelled out for Chapo yet, just one or two others. Plus it's easy to forget, and on top of that most people donating probably feel invested/connected.

Unless it's changed I think most Patreons see about 10-20% attrition at the end of each month from credit cards being declined. Then some of them filter back in after payday and they have a chance to sort out the card. So some number of Patreon subscribers aren't rich. No idea if it's gone up recently, I'd assume so. I saw a couple of very different Twitch streamers explaining that while January usually sees them lose a lot of paid subscribers it was really bad this year.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
am i missing something

the dude has 16 pages of posts in this thread

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

Yeah, I assume that's a big part of it. When I'm looking to cut back, a few bucks for a lot of content to make work suck less isn't where I start. Although I haven't shelled out for Chapo yet, just one or two others. Plus it's easy to forget, and on top of that most people donating probably feel invested/connected.

Unless it's changed I think most Patreons see about 10-20% attrition at the end of each month from credit cards being declined. Then some of them filter back in after payday and they have a chance to sort out the card. So some number of Patreon subscribers aren't rich. No idea if it's gone up recently, I'd assume so. I saw a couple of very different Twitch streamers explaining that while January usually sees them lose a lot of paid subscribers it was really bad this year.
if you can tolerate small breaks in content, cancelling at the end of the month and then waiting 32 days or w/e gets you the whole catalogue at half the cost. there's definitely a subset of Patreon Guy that does that

Stutes
Oct 13, 2005

Tonight's the Night

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

Yeah, I assume that's a big part of it. When I'm looking to cut back, a few bucks for a lot of content to make work suck less isn't where I start. Although I haven't shelled out for Chapo yet, just one or two others. Plus it's easy to forget, and on top of that most people donating probably feel invested/connected.

Unless it's changed I think most Patreons see about 10-20% attrition at the end of each month from credit cards being declined. Then some of them filter back in after payday and they have a chance to sort out the card. So some number of Patreon subscribers aren't rich. No idea if it's gone up recently, I'd assume so. I saw a couple of very different Twitch streamers explaining that while January usually sees them lose a lot of paid subscribers it was really bad this year.

Credit cards will still work indefinitely even if you have $0, as long as you haven’t started missing payments, and most debit cards probably still allow overdrafts. I’d guess that normal card expirations and number changes due to fraud drive more of the churn/resub activity.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Cspam posters should be barred from saying liberal, it's clearly too much responsibility for them

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
shut up lib

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.

crepeface posted:

shut up lib

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Cspam posters should be barred from being liberal

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
A hit liberal will tut-tut

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
None of you are free of sin.

Heath
Apr 30, 2008

🍂🎃🏞️💦
I'm a liberal. I am a lib.

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Cached Money
Apr 11, 2010

Heath posted:

I'm a liberal. I am a lib.

As a New Yorker, I am a Muslim. I am a Jew. I am Black. I am gay. I am a woman seeking to control her body.

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