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Grip it and rip it posted:Fox News is definitely going to play this up and try to force an angle of Biden being ineffectual and failing to meet our enemie's antagonism.
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Everybody should check out the most recent War on the Rocks episode. Kofman just got back from another trip to Ukraine and has a pretty fresh update on the situation on the ground, prospects for a good guy spring offensive, insights about Russian tactics and where Wagner fits in, and a frankly depressing reality check about Ukrainian forces and the attrition they've faced.
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Mar 14, 2023 20:46
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Replace the downed drone with 3 more numbered 1,2 and 4.
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cr0y posted:Replace the downed drone with 3 more numbered 1,2 and 4. they'll just assume that was 3
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Mar 14, 2023 20:59
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Alan Smithee posted:they'll just assume that was 3 Ok then 3 F-35s numbered the same
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cr0y posted:Ok then 3 F-35s numbered the same Like we have that kind of money
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:World's first orbital strike US already did that to Australia in 1979.
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McNally posted:US already did that to Australia in 1979. ......skylab?
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Mar 14, 2023 23:21
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:......skylab? So they claim!
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Mar 14, 2023 23:22
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bird food bathtub posted:So they dumped fuel on it, then tried to intimidate an unmanned drone and I guess ran in to it? Not sure how exactly they expected that one to play out. Sounds like a Ferrari trying to frighten a tractor trailer, only with stall speeds in the mix. wow. don't be so harsh on the su-27 it's a bit better than a tractor.
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Mar 14, 2023 23:57
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It will be kinda funny when they try to down the next US drone but crash instead and some loving pencil-neck in a conex in Nevada gets an official A2A kill
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Mar 15, 2023 00:01
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I'm guessing our drones in that area will be escorted by fighters now?
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I'm guessing our drones in that area will be escorted by fighters now? Doing it once in a maybe sorta accident is one thing, doing it again is going to reaaaallly piss people off, which I think they know.
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Mar 15, 2023 00:05
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I'm guessing our drones in that area will be escorted by fighters now? Sounds like the Russians rammed a drone with a jet, and they’re blaming a stupid pilot. So I doubt it. Anyone got any info on the stall speed of an Su-27 vs the max speed of a reaper? I’m betting they’re fairly close 
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Mar 15, 2023 00:08
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Telsa Cola posted:Doing it once in a maybe sorta accident is one thing, doing it again is going to reaaaallly piss people off, which I think they know. Well considering how much arms and equipment we've been sending over there, and with the fact that the intel that drone was collecting was surely being passed to the Ukranians I don't think they care that much if we get annoyed.
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Mar 15, 2023 00:19
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I'm assuming the idiot pilot sprayed fuel on it, and when it didn't light on fire tried to light it with his engine exhaust and that's when he hit.
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Mar 15, 2023 00:21
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They might if battalions start evaporating
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:They might if battalions start evaporating It's not like a Virginia is gonna flush its VLS cells and delete a bunch of ammo dumps over some shenanigans around an RC plane.
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Mar 15, 2023 00:28
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CainFortea posted:I'm assuming the idiot pilot sprayed fuel on it, and when it didn't light on fire tried to light it with his engine exhaust and that's when he hit.
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Mar 15, 2023 00:49
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CainFortea posted:I'm assuming the idiot pilot sprayed fuel on it, and when it didn't light on fire tried to light it with his engine exhaust and that's when he hit. That's exactly what I thought too. I have a feeling that at speed and altitude, fuel volatilizes to gas too quickly and not enough of it would cling to the skin of the drone. But it would be hella sick if you pulled it off!
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Kesper North posted:That's exactly what I thought too. I have a feeling that at speed and altitude, fuel volatilizes to gas too quickly and not enough of it would cling to the skin of the drone. He sprayed lamp oil on it and surprise surprise, it didn't ignite. That stuff isn't that volatile.
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Jimmy Smuts posted:I didn't even think about that, I figured he was just trying to scare the drone with his wing & whoopsie got too close, like China in 2001. But that sounds much more Russian. Hitting it would have been an absolutely deliberate move to knock it down. The RAF used to do it to V rockets in WW2. I'm sure a Flanker can do it to a drone. Pretty courageous and skillful on the pilot's part to be honest.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Hitting it would have been an absolutely deliberate move to knock it down. The RAF used to do it to V rockets in WW2. I'm sure a Flanker can do it to a drone. Pretty courageous and skillful on the pilot's part to be honest.
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Mar 15, 2023 01:23
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Hitting it would have been an absolutely deliberate move to knock it down. The RAF used to do it to V rockets in WW2. I'm sure a Flanker can do it to a drone. Pretty courageous and skillful on the pilot's part to be honest. Lmao that a Russian pilot would risk his life and (possibly irreplaceable) airframe to knock down an old American drone, which we literally have hundreds more of.
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Mar 15, 2023 01:23
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Totally insane to try to do that to a prop powered drone in your jet powered aircraft, that pilot was hittin' the vodka heavy before that flight for sure.
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Mar 15, 2023 01:24
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Siri, give me another synonym for incredibly dumb and dangerous?
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Icon Of Sin posted:Lmao that a Russian pilot would risk his life and (possibly irreplaceable) airframe to knock down an old American drone, which we literally have hundreds more of. You really think it's more likely that he accidentally hit it? That seems extremely implausible. There's no gain in just buzzing an unmanned drone. It seems pretty reasonable to assume they were trying, and succeeded, to take it down.
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Mar 15, 2023 01:28
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Everyone knows pilots never run into poo poo by accident. Now where are my tertiary minimums.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:You really think it's more likely that he accidentally hit it? That seems extremely implausible. There's no gain in just buzzing an unmanned drone. It seems pretty reasonable to assume they were trying, and succeeded, to take it down. Yea, I do. Mid-air collisions are usually a loving disaster for everyone involved, and that’s before you’re looking at a jet slowing down enough to ram a propeller aircraft without destroying itself in the process. Add in that the airframe is probably not replaceable at this point, and it sounds like the pilot was being a loving moron. Flying idiots aren’t limited to only the USAF.
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Mar 15, 2023 01:32
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Hainan Island wasn't that long ago and Chinese pilots take a bunch of risks still
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Hitting it would have been an absolutely deliberate move to knock it down. The RAF used to do it to V rockets in WW2. I'm sure a Flanker can do it to a drone. Pretty courageous and skillful on the pilot's part to be honest. Toppling V-1:s worked because they had no ailerons or other kind of active roll control, they were just designed to be stable and self-righting in roll. This worked well when nothing was trying to topple it, but even a fairly small continuous nudge, such as one caused by a fighter placing it's wing underneath the missile wing, would just tip it over. The technique that was shared was not to contact the wing, but to place a wingtip 6 inches below that of the missile, although in practice some of the few toppling kills involved physical contact and literal dents in wings. None of this applies to the large USAF drones, which all have ailerons. They can do a roll and continue flying.
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what is the unimportant part on the su27 that you use to deliberately hit stuff at a hundred(s) of mph speed differential
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Herstory Begins Now posted:what is the unimportant part on the su27 that you use to deliberately hit stuff at a hundred(s) of mph speed differential Under the canopy.
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Mar 15, 2023 01:45
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Judging by the current conflict the pilot.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Pretty courageous and skillful on the pilot's part to be honest. It’s an unmanned drone and the dipshit crashed. He’s stupid and an idiot.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:what is the unimportant part on the su27 that you use to deliberately hit stuff at a hundred(s) of mph speed differential The Flanker can, I believe, fly slower than the operating speed of a Reaper without stalling. If the Flanker had hit it at any appreciable speed difference I would assume they would be talking about it having gone down as well.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The Flanker can, I believe, fly slower than the operating speed of a Reaper without stalling. If the Flanker had hit it at any appreciable speed difference I would assume they would be talking about it having gone down as well. I don't think an intercept at altitude carrying fuel and weapons is the same as the wings clean high alpha pass at the airshow at 1000 feet MSL.
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Russians are famous for unprofessional intercept behavior, so intentionally knocking an MQ-9 out of the sky is something I'd believe, but, wonder if they will do it again?
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Maybe! Military Aviation History did an informative update on this situation. It's a good channel for both current events, history, and inside the cockpit videos. The proprietor is a German PH.D student specializing in.... military aviation history. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxV7sFwPWo0
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orange juche posted:Russians are famous for unprofessional intercept behavior, so intentionally knocking an MQ-9 out of the sky is something I'd believe, but, wonder if they will do it again? I keep seeing professionalism brought up in this context and have no idea what it means. The Russian military pilots are very much at work and doing things that are expected of them - how is this unprofessional behavior?
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