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Welcome back.
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 02:57 |
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# ? May 23, 2024 09:25 |
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I'm glad your Gathering meeting went well. Was Volleyball fun?
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 04:03 |
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Welcome home! Get hype, we're on our way to the end.
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 04:11 |
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Epicurius posted:i just wanted to let people know that I'm home, and we continue reading tomorrow. Glad you got home and hope you are feeling better!
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 11:59 |
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Welcome back!
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 15:56 |
Kill all Yeerks!
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 20:04 |
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Welcome back to the resistance - I'm from I Can't Say Where I Live and I say kill em all!
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 21:08 |
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Welcome back!
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 22:05 |
Welcome back from your long trip to the pool. Want a Happy Meal with extra happy?
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 23:21 |
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HOW many Taxxons, Arbron?
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 23:39 |
this thread is my first read through the series and I wasn't going to go forward without y'all. Happy you're feeling up to it again,Epi!
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# ? Mar 13, 2023 23:57 |
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I'm very happy that this thread is back, especially since we're so close to the end now too. Here's looking forward to the rest of the series, and then on to Everworld!
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 00:00 |
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Chapter 10quote:They had given me up for dead back at the valley of the free Hork-Bajir, so when I came flying in at first light there was a certain amount of amazement. What i think is interesting here is that while the books were written to make us sympathetic to the Hork-Bajir, it did the opposite to the Taxxons. They were hideous, they were evil, they were voluntary allies. Now, though, we see them as potential allies, and more sympathetic. Chapter 11 quote:All attention was on Ax. Meanwhile, the Andalites who started the series as the unambiguous good guys, but now they're more ambiguous. While other people have said it, this book is good at avoiding "Star Trek syndrome", where all aliens of one race are the same. These aliens have politics, factions, and differ in beliefs. They're people, in other words.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 01:41 |
When I was getting caught up on this thread and the post count stopped going up, I assumed the series had finished and I had missed out getting to read the endgame with the rest of the thread. I’m glad that I will actually get to finish it out with y’all and I am very glad you’re doing better.Epicurius posted:
This definitely makes sense when the framing positions the Andalites as an analogy for , in a series written by author(s).
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 02:32 |
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"Alloran" is a four letter word among the Andalite military high command these days, but they're more than happy to keep using the tactics he perfected decades ago
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 02:33 |
ALLORAN DID NOTHING WRONG
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 02:55 |
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That was a drat meaty scene and almost worth the blood loss it seems to have taken to get it here. In one fell swoop we see every character except arguably Tobias doing what they're best at and progressing some loooooooong simmering interpersonal conflict arcs. It all feels so believable-- Jake's optimism giving way to temperance and the complexities of the actual situation, the way one can't ignore the individual emotions and strengths/weaknesses of the players in the conversation. It all works quite well. I especially love Cassie revealing that yeah, she may be the team mom but she's not a fool and was spying on Ax long enough to know he was doing what he was doing.
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 03:24 |
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I love that the best way to have ended this entire conflict from the get-go was to allow the Yeerks to morph. So much death and anguish could have been avoided if the Andalites just let the Yeerks morph. Anyway, what Cassie did was a huge gambit, but it paid off. I like the slow realization of the Andalites turning out to not be quite so good over the course of the series. They start off as the good guys, but then you get the Andalite Chronicles and see tiny hints at their pride and ego. And then Hork Bajir Chronicles puts it on full display. And now we got this where they are basically doing what Alloran did to the Hork-Bajir
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# ? Mar 14, 2023 03:53 |
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Chapter 12quote:“Is it a python?” I guessed. Jake is realizing it's one thing to fight a war, and another to deal with his life once it's over. Chapter 13 quote:Arbron had given me the place: a spot more than a mile away from the site of the new Yeerk pool. He had not told me positively, absolutely, to come alone. So, I brought backup, though not in any visible form. i don't usually show the covers of the books, but this is a good one. It's Jake talking to the Taxxons.
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 04:12 |
Great to have you back, glad you're doing well! And hey, is that our first official artwork of a taxxon?
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 08:51 |
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Remalle posted:Great to have you back, glad you're doing well! And hey, is that our first official artwork of a taxxon? Looks like an opabina/anomolocarens cross... I always had a really distinct mental image of taxxons. Way more so than hork bajir or even andalites. Not sure why that is!
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 09:06 |
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Happy to see you again, Epicurius!Remalle posted:And hey, is that our first official artwork of a taxxon? Tobias has his Taxxon morph on the cover of 43, I'm not sure if there were others before that, though.
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Tree Bucket posted:Looks like an opabina/anomolocarens cross... Murder worm with a circular, toothy mouth is a pretty vivid image.
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 12:46 |
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Soonmot posted:this thread is my first read through the series and I wasn't going to go forward without y'all. Happy you're feeling up to it again,Epi! Same for me on both counts, after all this there's no way I'm gonna finish out the series without you guys and these last few chapters have been worth the wait. Very glad to have you back, Epicurius!
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 14:45 |
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welcome back Epicurius, very glad you're back and hope you're feeling better. It's been so awesome going back through these books with the thread and seeing how they hold up. can't thank you enough for all your hard work over the past few years.
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 17:30 |
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God...all that these kids have been though, and they're not even driving age yet. Someone said it back during the book where Jake nearly got popped in fly morph, but it really makes you want to just give these kids a hug.
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# ? Mar 15, 2023 22:42 |
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Absolutely loving the details during the Taxxon chapter: "Hey guys, you're fleas but I don't know where you are" "Marco bit you, when you itch you'll know where we were." ".... great." and Jake being super careful not to get a cut or injury that could drive them into feeding frenzy was very nice.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 01:43 |
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Oh and props to Cassie for playing chess and recognizing that if the Taxxons do become allies and hold up their end of nohilitism if they put themselves in the Amazon it's a really beneficial play for all Earth life long-term.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 01:51 |
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Funny how Arbron has them sucked underground while sitting in a car, he did the exact same thing to Elfangor. I never really pinned Jake as the type that wouldn't be able to come home from war. I can definitely see Rachel having problems. And Tobias has literally nobody else in his life except the Animorphs. But Jake always seemed like the type of guy who comes home in 1945, marries his sweetheart and starts a successful Buick dealership.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 03:24 |
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Yeah, Jake has a really old vibe somehow.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 03:26 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Funny how Arbron has them sucked underground while sitting in a car, he did the exact same thing to Elfangor. It's like poetry...
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 03:35 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Funny how Arbron has them sucked underground while sitting in a car, he did the exact same thing to Elfangor. I think both Applegate and Grant have said independent of one another that they're of the belief that no one who survives a war ever truly "survives" it, and if they did, there probably wasn't something all together right with them in the first place. It's a thought that comes up again at the end of World War Z by Max Brooks. One of his narrator characters posits that since the Zombie War was a war on all of humanity that didn't leave a single soul untouched by the time it was finally "over", then literally no human being on Earth "survived" World War Z.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 03:43 |
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Chapter 14quote:Human once more, I addressed the Taxxon multitude. Tom's Yeerk's proposal is interesting, because on the one hand, he's come to the same understanding as Aftran 942...that the Yeerks are trapped by their parasitism, and most Yeerks are hidebound and won't consider another way. Unlike Aftran, of course, what he wants in exchange for his help is conquest of another world where he and his followers can exploit the natives and live in luxury, really another kind of parasitism. Of course, all this assumes he's telling the truth, which is maybe a bad assumption, Chapter 15 quote:The keys were in my hands. This is Jake at his most cynical and ruthless here, using his friends like tools. The problem for him is, unlike a lot of people who do that, he's hating himself for it. if you didn't notice, Jake is echoing Marco's previous explanation of ruthlessness...seeing the line clearly that gets you from point A to point B, and willing to do what it takes to get there. The thing is, for all that Marco talked about being ruthless, i think he was lying to himself and us. Marco cares too much for his friends and his family to sacrifice them, even if that's the easiest way. Marco affected an air of both cynicism and humor to prevent those people around him from realizing how upset he was at losing his mother, and how scared he was that something would happen to his father. At this point, though, I believe that Jake has reached that level of ruthlessness. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Mar 16, 2023 |
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Funny how Arbron has them sucked underground while sitting in a car, he did the exact same thing to Elfangor. I guess I've always pictured him more as someone who can't switch off, ever, and once the war is over he will just find himself at a complete loose end and fall apart.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 03:49 |
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This is the big point of no return for Jake and he absolutely knows it. Now we just have to watch where the chips end up falling.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 04:09 |
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Epicurius posted:The thing is, for all that Marco talked about being ruthless, i think he was lying to himself and us. Marco cares too much for his friends and his family to sacrifice them, even if that's the easiest way. Marco affected an air of both cynicism and humor to prevent those people around him from realizing how upset he was at losing his mother, and how scared he was that something would happen to his father. At this point, though, I believe that Jake has reached that level of ruthlessness. It's also well, Jake isn't wrong. Because Animorphs has such a heavy TNG flavor I'm reminded of the episode where Troi has to simulate sending holodeck Geordi to his guaranteed death to save the ship as part of her Officer Training and how she can barely do it, and that sentimentality is not necessarily a good thing in all cases. I guess it doesn't help that Tom's Yeerk is so loving loathsome. Applegrant do a fantastic job selling a character you really loving hate in such a short space of time. Comrade Blyatlov posted:I guess I've always pictured him more as someone who can't switch off, ever, and once the war is over he will just find himself at a complete loose end and fall apart. Jake and Rachel will easily have the hardest time adjusting after the war is done. I wonder if Tobias survives, if he'd ever go back to human? Can he re-up on the morphing cube? I forget if they ever went over that.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 04:30 |
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When the Ellimist gives him the deal back in book 13 he tells him explicitly he can go back to being human, but it'll just make him a human nothlit. No third chance at the morphing apple
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 04:32 |
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mind the walrus posted:I guess it doesn't help that Tom's Yeerk is so loving loathsome. Applegrant do a fantastic job selling a character you really loving hate in such a short space of time. It's a shame that it doesn't get the chance to go mask off sooner in the series because of the status quo because I think Tom's Yeerk would have been a pretty good recurring villain with just what a shitbag he is. Even moreso than Taylor, the perfect blend of a shitlord teenager and a Star Trek-tier local galactic menace ala someone like Gul Dukat, the guy who's doing the "How do you do, Fellow Kids?" act purely because he's so able to perfectly pull it off otherwise that he now has to make a smarmy show out of it just to go "Yeah, we both get it, it's pure bullshit, but now I get to have FUN with it ".
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 04:40 |
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Epicurius posted:This is Jake at his most cynical and ruthless here, using his friends like tools. The problem for him is, unlike a lot of people who do that, he's hating himself for it. if you didn't notice, Jake is echoing Marco's previous explanation of ruthlessness...seeing the line clearly that gets you from point A to point B, and willing to do what it takes to get there. I think Marco is insightful enough to come up with something like this plan, but I agree that he's not actually ruthless enough to sacrifice his friends on the altar of victory. Even normal leadership involving close loved ones where you're not sending people on suicide missions had him freeze up.
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# ? Mar 16, 2023 12:51 |
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# ? May 23, 2024 09:25 |
I will say, as justified as Jake's guilt is, it's worth mentioning he told Rachel exactly what he wanted, and the risks, and she knowingly agreed to the plan. She chose to do it, not him. Spoilers for series finale, to be safe
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