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New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?

Snazzy Frocks posted:

When people snap me and I know I'm going to win I'm always afraid to snap back in fear of them second guessing and retreating and just taking the 4

Yeah, at this point I'd rather take the 1 than lose anything. I'm determined to break 50 this season. I'd love to go further but who knows. I've gotten close to 80 in the past but these recent seasons are brutal.



I'm only 800 Credits away from Thanos.. Do you think it's even worth it anymore knowing a nerf is coming?

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Naked Man Punch
Sep 13, 2008

They see me rollin';
they hatin'.
I forget who posted it a couple days ago [FlamingLiberal?] but I gave the DoomWave deck a go and - it should really be the AeroWave deck. I've only used Doom a few times (ex. D.C. is a locale) but dropping Aero on turn 4-6 has had a few straight up wins, at least four retreats, and a couple "Wong to White Tiger? Nah, man." moments.

# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (2) Scorpion
# (2) Lizard
# (3) Mister Fantastic
# (3) Wave
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) White Queen
# (5) Aero
# (6) Doctor Doom
# (6) America Chavez
# (6) She-Hulk
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.

:science: Also, Galactus from X-Mansion does not trigger his ability. He just sits there are as a 2 power card.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
I've only lost full cubes one time since I started playing a She-Hulk/Kang deck this rules thanks video game gods. Also I thought RNG was just locked in but I had someone play Jubilee, get one card, then play Jubilee again after the reset and get another? Maybe they had a second Jubilee but it was odd.

Chainclaw
Feb 14, 2009

Protip posted:

I believe Marvel Snap Zone's Collection page is kept up to date:
https://marvelsnapzone.com/collection/

oh nice so I pulled my first series 5 card (minus paying the $10 season pass for cards). But of course it's the season pass I skipped, and a card going to series 4 soon: Zabu.

edit: That page is out of date, too. It lists Master Mold as unreleased.

edit2: Looking at the unreleased cards, Mephisto is going to be the source of a lot of complaining. A potential 16 cube swing is huge.

Chainclaw fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Mar 15, 2023

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



Master Mold just came out yesterday so they’re not that behind

MrQueasy
Nov 15, 2005

Probiot-ICK
Lol at the master mold Ad being blurry on my iPhone pro max screen.

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?

Naked Man Punch posted:

I forget who posted it a couple days ago [FlamingLiberal?] but I gave the DoomWave deck a go and - it should really be the AeroWave deck. I've only used Doom a few times (ex. D.C. is a locale) but dropping Aero on turn 4-6 has had a few straight up wins, at least four retreats, and a couple "Wong to White Tiger? Nah, man." moments.

# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (2) Scorpion
# (2) Lizard
# (3) Mister Fantastic
# (3) Wave
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) White Queen
# (5) Aero
# (6) Doctor Doom
# (6) America Chavez
# (6) She-Hulk
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.

:science: Also, Galactus from X-Mansion does not trigger his ability. He just sits there are as a 2 power card.

If I wasn't using Shuri I'd definitely rock this deck. May have to soon. If the Thanos deck debuff hits Lockjaw in some meaningful way it might ruin my JaneJaw deck too.

uXs
May 3, 2005

Mark it zero!

Chainclaw posted:

oh nice so I pulled my first series 5 card (minus paying the $10 season pass for cards). But of course it's the season pass I skipped, and a card going to series 4 soon: Zabu.

edit: That page is out of date, too. It lists Master Mold as unreleased.

edit2: Looking at the unreleased cards, Mephisto is going to be the source of a lot of complaining. A potential 16 cube swing is huge.

Well it says double your winnings, not double the stakes. So the loser shouldn't care, their losses won't double. I would assume.


Kang is... interesting. Can either win or lose you cubes, but wins on average, I think.

And it shows you that, contrary to popular opinion as far as I know, turn 6 bluff (*) snaps do work.

*: but can you really call them bluffs when (barring movement/cosmo) shenanigans, it's risk free?

pray for my aunt
Feb 13, 2012

14980c8b8a96fd9e279796a61cf82c9c
Very first Agent 13 played today gave me Master Mold, with Cloning Vats & Orchis Forge. My opponent made a valiant attempt to play what they could, which wasn't much.

psychopomp
Jan 28, 2011

Hobo Clown posted:

Fun to imagine two Captain Marvels bouncing betweens lanes, forever stuck in an endless loop of losing and winning

That's just us, the players.

GarudaPrime
May 19, 2006

THE PANTS ARE FANCY!

Push El Burrito posted:

I've only lost full cubes one time since I started playing a She-Hulk/Kang deck this rules thanks video game gods. Also I thought RNG was just locked in but I had someone play Jubilee, get one card, then play Jubilee again after the reset and get another? Maybe they had a second Jubilee but it was odd.

My experience too, using him right has netted me a few more cubes. I think he's mostly just nice to have but not that great in most spots. Often i find i would have retreated anyway without Kang and all he did was show me I was right, or I actually miss the card he could have been. I also got this bug where the game kept disconnecting endlessly after I played him untill I timed out and lost.

The one place I want to try him is in decks that get hard countered on 5. Wong decks and Galactus decks. There I expect him to really shine.

Also someone above posted that they were surprised at how many people just stay in with the same play, and yea... it's like 90% of players that stay in and just run it back.

Makes me think I'll start retreating to Kang if my play is not already nearly unbeatable or if my play is modular enough it seems always right to switch it up.

The Sean
Apr 17, 2005

Am I handsome now?


GarudaPrime posted:

My experience too, using him right has netted me a few more cubes. I think he's mostly just nice to have but not that great in most spots. Often i find i would have retreated anyway without Kang and all he did was show me I was right, or I actually miss the card he could have been. I also got this bug where the game kept disconnecting endlessly after I played him untill I timed out and lost.

The one place I want to try him is in decks that get hard countered on 5. Wong decks and Galactus decks. There I expect him to really shine.

Also someone above posted that they were surprised at how many people just stay in with the same play, and yea... it's like 90% of players that stay in and just run it back.

Makes me think I'll start retreating to Kang if my play is not already nearly unbeatable or if my play is modular enough it seems always right to switch it up.

I had an endless error that resulted in a loss yesterday, too. As for my experience with snapping, I found that snapping on 6 and playing Kang led to more retreats before he even hit the board than people sticking around.

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Feel kinda bad for my one friend. She got a new phone and apparently none of her Snap data transferred over. She thought she had it linked to Google or something else for the backup, but apparently not, and Snap support has been giving her the runaround all day despite providing ample evidence of her account.

parasyte
Aug 13, 2003

Nobody wants to die except the suicides. They're no fun.

Push El Burrito posted:

I've only lost full cubes one time since I started playing a She-Hulk/Kang deck this rules thanks video game gods. Also I thought RNG was just locked in but I had someone play Jubilee, get one card, then play Jubilee again after the reset and get another? Maybe they had a second Jubilee but it was odd.

RNG is complicated with Kang. It resets the turn to the same seed, but different actions during the turn can have more, fewer, or a different order of RNG rolls and the outcomes will be different accordingly.

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


Just pulled Black Widow and Spiderman back to back. Not incredibly exciting, but a couple of deck concepts are starting to come together.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

New Leaf posted:

Yeah, at this point I'd rather take the 1 than lose anything. I'm determined to break 50 this season. I'd love to go further but who knows. I've gotten close to 80 in the past but these recent seasons are brutal.



I'm only 800 Credits away from Thanos.. Do you think it's even worth it anymore knowing a nerf is coming?

I think the nerfs coming to Thanos are going to be around the interactions with the current deck builds (possibly impacting Leech, Lockjaw, and Quinjet) and maybe space stone. Thanos is still gonna be a powerful and useful card but not necessarily absolutely broken and the only thing you see at upper tiers of the ladder.

In other words, they aren't going to take Thanos out back and put a bullet in his head like they did Leader. Leech? Maybe. Thanos? No.

JackDarko
Sep 30, 2009

"Amala, I've got a chainsaw on my arm. I'll be fine."

RevKrule posted:

I think the nerfs coming to Thanos are going to be around the interactions with the current deck builds (possibly impacting Leech, Lockjaw, and Quinjet) and maybe space stone. Thanos is still gonna be a powerful and useful card but not necessarily absolutely broken and the only thing you see at upper tiers of the ladder.

In other words, they aren't going to take Thanos out back and put a bullet in his head like they did Leader. Leech? Maybe. Thanos? No.

Leech will likely eat poo poo — then another card when Thanos is still a problem in a month. They’ll nerf Thanos once I purchase him.

I’ll let the thread know when that happens.

Youremother
Dec 26, 2011

MORT

I've got 3000 tokens to go before I can afford Thanos, so don't make me start thinking about unpinning him. I want the REAL Lockjaw experience, please!

Dravs
Mar 8, 2011

You've done well, kiddo.
I would be annoyed if they mess with Lockjaw, he is a fun card that can go into a bunch of casino-type decks, it's not his fault that Leech keeps popping out on turn 4, he's just a good boy.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
My greatest enemy is bad card draw order

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

I think the best "nerf" they can do to Thanos is making the stones start in your deck to remove the quinjet interaction and to make the space stone a mini cloak rather than letting people just move Lockjaw/big thing from Lockjaw. I also think Leech should be a 1 turn effect at most.

I think Lockjaw is mostly fine because before the space stone, his true "cost" was he was a slot machine, but that slot machine could really only lock up one lane. With the space stone you can just move him at least once if not repeatedly.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
I nailed my second Kang with Cosmo. I don't understand why they don't place him where I'm least likely to play a Cosmo. When I play Kang I'm extra paranoid about Cosmo

GarudaPrime
May 19, 2006

THE PANTS ARE FANCY!

RevKrule posted:

I think the best "nerf" they can do to Thanos is making the stones start in your deck to remove the quinjet interaction and to make the space stone a mini cloak rather than letting people just move Lockjaw/big thing from Lockjaw. I also think Leech should be a 1 turn effect at most.

I think Lockjaw is mostly fine because before the space stone, his true "cost" was he was a slot machine, but that slot machine could really only lock up one lane. With the space stone you can just move him at least once if not repeatedly.

I agree, but I think they need to change the time stone all together. This game makes most of its balance mistakes with mana acceleration or discounting.

Leech is busted because he comes out before turn 5, lockjaw is really only busted here because the stones can cost zero and cantrip.

It's unfortunate for yhe space stone which I think is a really good card outside of Lockjaw interactions, but because of Lockjaw also needs a nerf.

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014

I think my space stone change would be to have it read "you may move the next card you play at this location once." Stops you from moving Lockjaw without a lot of setup, stops you from moving anything that Lockjaw spits out, but still lets you use it to get into unplayable locations, which is something that's mostly lost if you turn it into mini Cloak.

Snazzy Frocks
Mar 31, 2003

Scratchmo
lockjaw needs like a 25% chance of drawing a rock out of the ether

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
lockjaw is fairly weak in non-thanos decks and breaking the stones/quinjet synergy is probably enough of a hit to that deck

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?

flatluigi posted:

lockjaw is fairly weak in non-thanos decks and breaking the stones/quinjet synergy is probably enough of a hit to that deck

JaneJaw can pack a punch if you can pull Mjolnir multiple times. Plus, even a sliver of a chance to trade Wasp for Infininaut is nice.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



New Leaf posted:

JaneJaw can pack a punch if you can pull Mjolnir multiple times. Plus, even a sliver of a chance to trade Wasp for Infininaut is nice.
Yeah I have been using that deck since I don’t have Thanos and it’s pretty good

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

New Leaf posted:

JaneJaw can pack a punch if you can pull Mjolnir multiple times. Plus, even a sliver of a chance to trade Wasp for Infininaut is nice.

yeah, but that deck is inconsistent and very much needs drawing the right cards in the same order. you can't just judge a deck on its best case scenario, and lockjaw decks are generally balanced out by drawing your expensive cards before the cheap ones

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


flatluigi posted:

lockjaw is fairly weak in non-thanos decks and breaking the stones/quinjet synergy is probably enough of a hit to that deck

Agreed. Any match-ups against Thanos without Quinjet on the board are much more favorable. I'm only halfway through pool 3 and I can win against Thanos Lockjaw if they don't get Quinjet down. Quinjet on 1 or 2 and Lockjaw on 3 just means they win.

Plus I would much rather they do small nerfs than big ones. Nerfing the stones and Lockjaw and Leech and Aero and whatever all at once just skews things too far in the wrong direction.

Shuri still needs to be shot though.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
they're doing something to Shuri within the week at least

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


Playing with Spiderman and I just love being able to toss out Professor X with impunity. This rules.

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?

Walla posted:


Shuri still needs to be shot though.

Just let me rank up a little more and I'll be done with her. :pray:

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


New Leaf posted:

Just let me rank up a little more and I'll be done with her. :pray:

Good luck.

Youremother
Dec 26, 2011

MORT

Walla posted:

Playing with Spiderman and I just love being able to toss out Professor X with impunity. This rules.

Oh man I hadn't considered how good that combo would be. Will start praying for the RNG to hand me Parker

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
Stones/Quinjet nerf feels like the most sensible nerf that would allow the deck to still be playable but make room for others at the top. Targeting Lockjaw would kill that card for other decks too which sucks.

Shuri needs to cost 5 so you have to play ramp to pull off the current combo with her/big target + Task. That wouldn't hurt the power level of the deck, but make it require an additional deck slot (or 2) and draw to pull off.

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


Youremother posted:

Oh man I hadn't considered how good that combo would be. Will start praying for the RNG to hand me Parker

Yeah, I've been waiting for him. No one plays around Spiderman since the Zabu nerf, so a Control deck with him and Prof X and Rescue is climbing. I'm only in the 50's though.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
what's the whole deck look like? daredevil, electro, sandman? kang?

New Leaf
Jul 24, 2013

Dragon Balls? Are they tasty?

Bottom Liner posted:


Shuri needs to cost 5 so you have to play ramp to pull off the current combo with her/big target + Task. That wouldn't hurt the power level of the deck, but make it require an additional deck slot (or 2) and draw to pull off.

Yeah, Psylock, Electro, Wave for good measure.. A lot of the lower cost cards in that deck are really just to mess with the opponent or filler, its not like Sunstone has really won the day for a Shuri deck. Armor and Cosmo are needed but that's about it.

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

flatluigi posted:

what's the whole deck look like? daredevil, electro, sandman? kang?

Stole this lane control deck from Reddit (they hit Infinite with it this season):

Sunspot
Iceman
Daredevil
Storm
Juggernaut
Shang Chi
Spider-man
Prof X
Captain Marvel
Doctor Otopus
Doctor Doom
Magneto


Idea is to steal one lane with Daredevil/Spidey/Prof or Storm/Jugg and win a second with Sunspot/Magneto/Octopus. Marvel and Doom can overcome them overcommitting to Storm. Shang can handle a big Octopus pull. Don't fall for the trap of trying to do both Storm and Prof, you don't have the right mana curve for it against a real opponent.

Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Mar 15, 2023

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