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Kei Technical posted:I keep seeing professionalism brought up in this context and have no idea what it means. The Russian military pilots are very much at work and doing things that are expected of them - how is this unprofessional behavior? Presumably the 'professional' choice to take down a drone you want destroyed is to just shoot it instead of messing around with spraying fuel or pulling dangerously stupid ramming maneuvers.
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Unprofessional cuz the risks are uncontrolled. They're just swinging their dick near the woodchipper and hoping it doesn't go in.
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Mar 15, 2023 03:09
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I believe the technical term is "loving cowboys"
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Mar 15, 2023 03:11
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Unprofessional cuz the risks are uncontrolled. They're just swinging their dick near the woodchipper and hoping it doesn't go in.  Now you've got my attention.It's a prop drone, couldn't something solid have been jettisoned? Isn't chaff a thing? Clearly I'm in the know.
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Totally insane to try to do that to a prop powered drone in your jet powered aircraft, that pilot was hittin' the I don't think they can afford vodka anymore.
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Kei Technical posted:I keep seeing professionalism brought up in this context and have no idea what it means. The Russian military pilots are very much at work and doing things that are expected of them - how is this unprofessional behavior? As a general rule, if you aren't in a shooting war with another country, you shouldn't knock one of their planes out of the sky in international airspace unless you are prepared to either go to war with them or grovel for forgiveness. Even in a normal intercept, the kind that doesn't involve a plane crashing, the interceptor aircraft shouldn't do anything that would cause the intruding aircraft to lose control, whether that's by dumping fuel on them, or flying close enough to cause the intruding pilot to lose control due to jet wake turbulence or just getting spooked. We intercept Russian and Chinese planes all the time. Since we're not trying to get anyone killed, including our own pilots, FAA guidelines require a minimum of 500 foot separation between the interceptor and the intercepted aircraft during interception and diversion maneuvers.
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Mar 15, 2023 03:58
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Ward Carroll and Ed Nash on the drone thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmpj3cj7J34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25diXLePtKc So, far all three I've posted are basically saying "this poo poo happens all the time, we're gonna yell at their ambassador and move on".
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Serjeant Buzfuz posted:Totally insane to try to do that to a prop powered drone in your jet powered aircraft, that pilot was hittin' the vodka heavy before that flight for sure. yep https://twitter.com/nickschifrin/status/1635766881628876800
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Mar 15, 2023 05:27
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Someone was absolutely waiting to use “amateur hour” in a professional context, and this guy took his shot.
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Mar 15, 2023 06:17
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If the jet had crashed, would the drone pilot have received credit for the kill?
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Vengarr posted:If the jet had crashed, would the drone pilot have received credit for the kill? Yes. I believe out of the top of my head there are multiple ww1 and ww2 examples of rammings and ramming gently caress-ups as well as forcing other planes to down / stall due to acrobatics that If someone initiates ramming dogfight with a reaper and loses the reaper should be awarded a kill for it.
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Taerkar posted:Siri, give me another synonym for incredibly dumb and dangerous? Putin!  
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Vengarr posted:If the jet had crashed, would the drone pilot have received credit for the kill? maneuver kill is still a kill.
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glynnenstein posted:Everybody should check out the most recent War on the Rocks episode. Kofman just got back from another trip to Ukraine and has a pretty fresh update on the situation on the ground, prospects for a good guy spring offensive, insights about Russian tactics and where Wagner fits in, and a frankly depressing reality check about Ukrainian forces and the attrition they've faced. In the same vein, this paywalled WaPo article: https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan/status/1635395773964894209?t=3W1acof7IxWBrzEGK9-TzA&s=19 https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan/status/1635395779878871040?t=olp1opV_coWygkpHwmttVw&s=19 https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan/status/1635395787457970177?t=f3Uz5q34JBkKw6rzsrSMmA&s=19
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3-part trench fight viewed from above at an intersection. Russians smoke one of their own from up close. Grenades are suspiciously absent in the footage, until the end.  obviouslyhttps://twitter.com/PaulJawin/status/1635921412383809536 e: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1635938372286914561 Notice the Buchanka speeding past it. Power Khan fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Mar 15, 2023 |
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Icon Of Sin posted:Yea, I do. Mid-air collisions are usually a loving disaster for everyone involved, and that’s before you’re looking at a jet slowing down enough to ram a propeller aircraft without destroying itself in the process. Add in that the airframe is probably not replaceable at this point, and it sounds like the pilot was being a loving moron. Americans spend millions replacing airframes Russia just used the same airframe
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Mar 15, 2023 13:12
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give him a break man he's a rocket surgeon but mobilization bureaucracy stuck him in a fighter jet
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Kei Technical posted:I keep seeing professionalism brought up in this context and have no idea what it means. The Russian military pilots are very much at work and doing things that are expected of them - how is this unprofessional behavior? Professionalism in this context means the same as it means in all contexts; that you act in accordance with the norms of the profession in which you are engaged, i.e. aviation. It’s not so much a strict set of rules as the idea that best practices arise out of the conditions of the activity itself. Most importantly professionalism sometimes requires that you tell your bosses to gently caress off if they tell you to do something unsafe or unethical. Good examples are an engineer refusing to stamp a change he believes is unsafe, or lawyer advising that a certain action the client wants to take is illegal; professionals don’t always do the right thing, but the standards of professionalism require they do.
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Kei Technical posted:I keep seeing professionalism brought up in this context and have no idea what it means. The Russian military pilots are very much at work and doing things that are expected of them - how is this unprofessional behavior? The 'professional' approach would've been to fire a missile at the drone to kill it. Not piss on it and then ram it with the wing of your own aircraft, that's just being weird and bullying an inanimate object for ??? ends.
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Mar 15, 2023 15:09
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On the other hand, if the ramming had worked maybe we'd see all top of the line fighter jets retrofitted with bronze rams. 
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HisMajestyBOB posted:On the other hand, if the ramming had worked maybe we'd see all top of the line fighter jets retrofitted with bronze rams. Tired: Su27 Flanker Wired: Su27 Trireme
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It's not great when a nuclear superpower has pilots taking their multimillion dollar possibly literally irreplaceable fighter jets and ramming them into things. e: also apparently the Russian pilot tried to play chicken with a drone. Lets take a minute to consider the thought process going on there. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Mar 15, 2023 |
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Alchenar posted:It's not a great when a nuclear superpower has pilots taking their multimillion dollar possibly literally irreplaceable fighter jets and ramming them into things. He knew he wasn’t risking the radar because it was already trashed. The alcohol based coolant had already been drained/distilled and found it’s way into his pre-flight drink, while the rest ended up in his flight-flask.
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Alchenar posted:It's not great when a nuclear superpower has pilots taking their multimillion dollar possibly literally irreplaceable fighter jets and ramming them into things. Yeah always worth remembering Russia pilots do not get the same level of flight hours as US or EU pilots, and often less training.
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Alchenar posted:It's not great when a nuclear superpower has pilots taking their multimillion dollar possibly literally irreplaceable fighter jets and ramming them into things. Oh my God that's even dumber than my piss jet fuel on it and try and set it on fire idea
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CainFortea posted:Oh my God that's even dumber than my piss jet fuel on it and try and set it on fire idea It can be all of the above! Perfect fodder for the Idiots thread regardless.
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It's also possible that drone was in a fully autonomous mode if it was just trying to get from point a to point b so it's possible the Russian pilot was playing chicken with someone who was literally not even watching the loving screen.
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cr0y posted:It's also possible that drone was in a fully autonomous mode if it was just trying to get from point a to point b so it's possible the Russian pilot was playing chicken with someone who was literally not even watching the loving screen. Lol imagine the operator all out for coffee, getting a smoke, comes back and the drone's offline. They're all "oh gently caress gently caress gently caress"
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If it's anything like the hours of panel watching I did, you have someone bring you coffee, and in this situation you'd just leave the autopilot on and watch the video feed while calling everyone else in the building to come see this stupid Russian fucker make an rear end of himself.
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M_Gargantua posted:If it's anything like the hours of panel watching I did, you have someone bring you coffee, and in this situation you'd just leave the autopilot on and watch the video feed while calling everyone else in the building to come see this stupid Russian fucker make an rear end of himself. I'm just thinking about when I am flight simming and flip on the autopilot and go take a leak and come back to find my plane in the process of creating a hole in the side of a mountain.
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Icon Of Sin posted:He knew he wasn’t risking the radar because it was already trashed. The alcohol based coolant had already been drained/distilled and found it’s way into his pre-flight drink, while the rest ended up in his flight-flask. Which is why he thought it was a good idea.
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I’m honestly curious, if a Russian jet starts playing chicken with a drone, is the operator supposed to ask higher-ups if he should dodge or just let this stupid son of a bitch kill himself, or are there guidelines for how to respond, or is it up to operator discretion? Because on one hand it’d be morbidly appropriate to just let Darwin take his course, but on the other hand I could see someone going “I’d really rather not deal with the diplomatic bullshit that results from a dead Russian pilot even if it’s clearly not our fault.”
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On the other hand, you would be on your way to becoming the first Drone Ace.
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If it's anything like FPV flying drones, there's a bit of lag between what you see through the camera and where the drone actually is. If I was flying a drone like that I think the safest thing to do is to do nothing and let the other pilot sort it out. If the Drone pilot does anything, he'd be putting the other pilot at risk while not being at risk himself, and giving the Russians fuel for what ever game they're playing by possibly downing one of their jets. Edit: spelling? fromoutofnowhere fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Mar 15, 2023 |
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Tomn posted:I’m honestly curious, if a Russian jet starts playing chicken with a drone, is the operator supposed to ask higher-ups if he should dodge or just let this stupid son of a bitch kill himself, or are there guidelines for how to respond, or is it up to operator discretion? The drone in question has no effective means to disengage from that scenario. The choice to start and stop that confrontation was entirely in the Russian pilot's hands. Well, I guess the drone pilot could have just nosed down and crashed directly into the black sea, but that is an even less realistic scenario than the silliness that actually happened.
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Do drone operators get pilot nicknames? Hope there's a good one from this.
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I’d go with Teabag for sure
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How about "SUe"?
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bird food bathtub posted:Do drone operators get pilot nicknames? Hope there's a good one from this. In the US Air Force they're "Remotely Piloted Aircraft Pilots" or "Remote Pilots". They're treated just like other air crew, they get the same nickname stuff and all.
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bird food bathtub posted:Do drone operators get pilot nicknames? Hope there's a good one from this. I believe the rule is that pilot names are always embarrassing, so his best case is getting called 'golden' as shorthand for 'golden showers'
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