Eastern Europe: Turns out PiS is not stored in the ballots

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alex314: Nov 22, 2007

If I were to point to the most destructive politician in Poland Ziobro would be on the very top of the list. Not senile gently caress Korwin, not traitor Mencwel or bankster Morawiecki. Not even impotent puppet Duda or kid celebrity turned hatedwarf Kaczyński. Ziobro is absolutely the worst, and you know if he could he would go all Yezhov on whatever real or imaginary enemy he has.

alex314 fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Mar 14, 2023

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Anne Frank Funk: Nov 4, 2008

Ziobro should be legally forbidden to be in the vicinity of a gun, not to mention actually carrying one. He is a textbook example of persecution complex

# ? Mar 14, 2023 11:44

Lichtenstein: May 31, 2012; It'll make sense, eventually.

Let's not forget he's a man who spent several decades throwing law at a respected surgeon because he came up with a tinfoil hat theory that he murdered his father.

To be clear for those who don't know the story: there was absolutely no whiff of malpractice, nor did anyone die during the procedure to what-if over. An old, diseased man died and the surgeon had the gall of not magically healing him of all ills a couple weeks earlier.

# ? Mar 14, 2023 12:59

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

https://www.diena.lv/raksts/latvija...sudzes-14296196

Grevcova is getting 160 hours of social labour for lying to the CVK. Not great, not terrible, I guess, though we'll see where it all shakes out after an appeal.

# ? Mar 14, 2023 18:05

Mokotow: Apr 16, 2012

The Pope War is in full swing. The General of the Knights Order of St. John Paul II has been fielded.

# ? Mar 14, 2023 19:12

advanced statsman: Dec 26, 2012; ISLAM FC

Just saw this from the Estonian National Broadcaster https://news.err.ee/1608915770/around-13-000-russian-citizens-in-latvia-face-language-exam-pressure

quote:

Many Russian citizens ordinarily resident in Latvia may lose that privilege, if they decline to take a Latvian language exam. The total number affected is in the range of 13,000.
[...]
Around 25,000 people in Latvia have Russian citizens, some of whom who had Latvian citizenship at one point, others who had always been Russian citizens, since the breakup of the Soviet Union at least.

Reasons for retaining a foreign citizenship in Latvia include pensions due, ERR reported.

Nationialist deputies in the Saeima, the Latvian parliament, and in the coalition government, say that those who do not comply with the requirement will have to leave Latvia.

Minister Kucinskis says he is trying to balance the rule of law with an avoidance of disruption and uncertainty; the Saeimas found, in the aftermath of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, that the Latvian state has the right to ascertain how loyal to Latvia Russian citizens living there are, and why they actually require a residence permit.

The language proficiency requirement will apply to 15-75-year-olds.

What's the Latvian coverage like on this topic? Seems kinda hosed up.

# ? Mar 15, 2023 15:57

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

advanced statsman posted:

Just saw this from the Estonian National Broadcaster https://news.err.ee/1608915770/around-13-000-russian-citizens-in-latvia-face-language-exam-pressure

What's the Latvian coverage like on this topic? Seems kinda hosed up.

The quote is inaccurate on who's eligible, so I'd like to clarify what's going on here legally. We're talking about the September 22, 2022 immigration law change. Before the change, the law allowed people who held Latvian citizenship or Latvian non-citizen status at some point to apply for a permanent residency permit on the exclusive basis of this past affiliation with Latvia. Applicants using this basis for their permanent residency permit request were exempt from presenting a proof that they can speak basic Latvian, unlike some other groups allowed to settle permanently (section 24 (5) of the law, old version in English). So, the change then, for what's relevant to the topic of the article, did the following:

1) Removed the right to request a permanent residency permit based on having been a citizen or a non-citizen of Latvia at some point in the past
2) Annulled permanent residency permits issued to the citizens of the Russian Federation based on (1), setting September 1, 2023 as their end date
3) Offered people who have lost their permanent residency permits due to (2) to receive a permanent residency permit if they submit a proof of language proficiency, as per section 24 (5) of the law, before September 1, 2023

The reason I'm putting upfront this legal wall of text is to clearly establish that the subject of these changes is exclusively citizens of the Russian Federation who have explicitly, formally renounced their affiliation with the Republic of Latvia. As a conservative country with some of the most restrictive immigration laws in Europe, by popular demand, the coverage, thusly, is nonchalant. There are some idle conversations, e.g., about whether if the relevant public authority has the capacity to conduct as many exams in Latvia in a year as may be necessary here, as it could be a jump of up to two orders of magnitude for the total number of annual test takers, but that's about it. As far as the political conversation is concerned, there's a broad understanding of this being a fait accompli for the National Alliance, who were empowered by Putin losing the plot entirely. Even the self-professed Russophiles of our opposition don't care to defend the interests of de jure foreigners, both in general and because it's difficult to answer �how do you not speak any Latvian after living in an independent Latvia for 32 years?�.

Consequently, the national debate lies elsewhere. Funding for teachers is one hot topic at the moment, but that's more perennial, and the next big shitshow looks to be 200+ million food procurement scandal at the army.

# ? Mar 15, 2023 17:46

a podcast for cats: Jun 22, 2005; Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."; Soiled Meat

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Consequently, the national debate lies elsewhere. Funding for teachers is one hot topic at the moment, but that's more perennial, and the next big shitshow looks to be 200+ million food procurement scandal at the army.

Quoting myself from earlier in the thread:

a podcast for cats posted:

It's almost certainly this.

I'm half hoping, half expecting that Latvian defense procurement during the war are going to be the bread and butter of investigative journalists 4-5 years down the line.

I'm mostly basing that on the parliamentary secretary for the MoD being a person with a very interesting career track. During the last decade she went from leading the payday loan lobby to leading the construction company lobby to her current role, going from one booming goldmine to the next.

No other feedback to offer atm.

# ? Mar 15, 2023 17:57

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

a podcast for cats posted:

Quoting myself from earlier in the thread:

No other feedback to offer atm.

I feel that ZZS will keep banging the AM drum until the government collapses, as that's a fairly close thing to their voter base. But yeah, I definitely am much more interested now in what's up with our defence procurement and the wunderwaffe of our industry, and it's likely safe to say that's there's going to be more interesting stuff. Re:Baltica people are probably having early Christmas right now.

# ? Mar 15, 2023 18:07

advanced statsman: Dec 26, 2012; ISLAM FC

cinci zoo sniper posted:

The quote is inaccurate on who's eligible, so I'd like to clarify what's going on here legally. We're talking about the September 22, 2022 immigration law change. Before the change, the law allowed people who held Latvian citizenship or Latvian non-citizen status at some point to apply for a permanent residency permit on the exclusive basis of this past affiliation with Latvia. Applicants using this basis for their permanent residency permit request were exempt from presenting a proof that they can speak basic Latvian, unlike some other groups allowed to settle permanently (section 24 (5) of the law, old version in English). So, the change then, for what's relevant to the topic of the article, did the following:

1) Removed the right to request a permanent residency permit based on having been a citizen or a non-citizen of Latvia at some point in the past
2) Annulled permanent residency permits issued to the citizens of the Russian Federation based on (1), setting September 1, 2023 as their end date
3) Offered people who have lost their permanent residency permits due to (2) to receive a permanent residency permit if they submit a proof of language proficiency, as per section 24 (5) of the law, before September 1, 2023

The reason I'm putting upfront this legal wall of text is to clearly establish that the subject of these changes is exclusively citizens of the Russian Federation who have explicitly, formally renounced their affiliation with the Republic of Latvia. As a conservative country with some of the most restrictive immigration laws in Europe, by popular demand, the coverage, thusly, is nonchalant. There are some idle conversations, e.g., about whether if the relevant public authority has the capacity to conduct as many exams in Latvia in a year as may be necessary here, as it could be a jump of up to two orders of magnitude for the total number of annual test takers, but that's about it. As far as the political conversation is concerned, there's a broad understanding of this being a fait accompli for the National Alliance, who were empowered by Putin losing the plot entirely. Even the self-professed Russophiles of our opposition don't care to defend the interests of de jure foreigners, both in general and because it's difficult to answer �how do you not speak any Latvian after living in an independent Latvia for 32 years?�.

Consequently, the national debate lies elsewhere. Funding for teachers is one hot topic at the moment, but that's more perennial, and the next big shitshow looks to be 200+ million food procurement scandal at the army.

Thanks for this. Just as a side note, the Baltic thing where foreigners knowing two or three words of the local language (labdien, paldies, es nesaprotu!) propels locals to say "wow, you speak more X-ian than the Russians who've been here for X decades!" has always been funny in a bad way imo.
Anyway, how does this affect stateless people?

# ? Mar 15, 2023 18:15

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

advanced statsman posted:

Thanks for this. Just as a side note, the Baltic thing where foreigners knowing two or three words of the local language (labdien, paldies, es nesaprotu!) propels locals to say "wow, you speak more X-ian than the Russians who've been here for X decades!" has always been funny in a bad way imo.
Anyway, how does this affect stateless people?

Not even funny tbh, but I can't deny that it is a thing said with a non-insignificant frequency.

As for non-citizens⁣ � which is a specific legal term in Latvia that is very different from stateless persons � this doesn't impact them at all. They're of Latvian statehood, if in a somewhat convoluted way, and therefore their right to live in Latvia is much stronger than that granted by any residency programme. It is governed by the dedicated law, rather than the Immigration Law, and is de facto irrevocable as settling this question for good was one of the special EU entry requirements for us.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Mar 15, 2023

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Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Was it mentioned here that Kazakhstan has seized Baikonur Cosmodrome? Ru owes Kaz some two billion rubles, or about 25 million euros, or about one oligarch yacht. Also the Russian head of the space centre is barred from leaving country.

https://kz24.news/news/ekonomika/arest-rossiyskogo-imuschestva-na-baykonure-nevesomost-dlya-proekta-soyuz-5.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1746064/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-space-programme-Kazakhstan-TsENKI

# ? Mar 15, 2023 19:07

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Nenonen posted:

Was it mentioned here that Kazakhstan has seized Baikonur Cosmodrome? Ru owes Kaz some two billion rubles, or about 25 million euros, or about one oligarch yacht. Also the Russian head of the space centre is barred from leaving country.

https://kz24.news/news/ekonomika/arest-rossiyskogo-imuschestva-na-baykonure-nevesomost-dlya-proekta-soyuz-5.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1746064/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-space-programme-Kazakhstan-TsENKI

Not ITT, I think, but elsewhere someone pointed out that it's not the whole Baikonur complex but just some buildings or something. Still, pretty hilarious, good on them.

# ? Mar 15, 2023 19:11

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Ah, I was hoping that the bailiff would carry on and seize a rocket to go to ISS and evict the Russians there as well... :sigh:

# ? Mar 15, 2023 19:12

Small White Dragon: Nov 23, 2007; No relation.

Nenonen posted:

Ah, I was hoping that the bailiff would carry on and seize a rocket to go to ISS and evict the Russians there as well...

This sounds like a fun movie idea.

# ? Mar 15, 2023 20:29

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

So this wasn't on my radar because of *gestures everywhere* but there were Serbia-Kosovo talks going on and they failed to sign the agreement, though it seems there was some progress.

quote:

Kosovo's Kurti said he was ready to sign the document, but blamed Serbia's leader for failing to sign off on the plan for a second time.

"The other side, just as in the last meeting in Brussels on February 27, is avoiding signing the agreement, now also with the annex," Kurti told reporters.
...
Serbia's Vucic was lukewarm about the day's results.

"I think we have made one important step in a constructive atmosphere and we will start to work on something. Of course, it was not some D-day but it was an okay day," said Vucic.

...
The 11-point document backed by the EU has laid out a framework stating that neither side would resort to violence to resolve a dispute, nor seek to prevent the other from joining the European Union or other international bodies -- a key demand from Kosovo.

It would also result in de-facto recognition between the two sides, with Kosovo and Serbia accepting the other's travel documents, diplomas, licence plates and customs stamps.

Kurti's administration hopes that an agreement would allow for Kosovo's entry into international institutions, especially the United Nations, a long-sought goal for the government in Pristina.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230319-kosovo-and-serbia-fail-to-sign-agreement-after-marathon-talks

Serbian nationalists understandably upset about the proposal, which is here: https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/belgrade-pristina-dialogue-eu-proposal-agreement-path-normalisation-between-kosovo-and-serbia_en

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Mar 19, 2023

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OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

I am confused:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JosepBorrellF/status/1637219517792174080

# ? Mar 19, 2023 15:01

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

OddObserver posted:

I am confused:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JosepBorrellF/status/1637219517792174080

This is massive, much like the cash infusion that Vucic wants from the EU.

# ? Mar 19, 2023 16:11

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

cinci zoo sniper posted:

This is massive, much like the cash infusion that Vucic wants from the EU.

Well, except that the previous post suggests that it may not actually be true, hence my "I am confused" label.

# ? Mar 19, 2023 16:15

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

OddObserver posted:

Well, except that the previous post suggests that it may not actually be true, hence my "I am confused" label.

rolling a critical reading failure over here. I'll need to double-check what's up then, later.

# ? Mar 19, 2023 16:23

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Let's go with the latest one from AP: https://apnews.com/article/serbia-kosovo-talks-vucic-kurti-ohrid-042159cf4712bb9fc723f75fa14c8ad4

quote:

OHRID, North Macedonia (AP) � The leaders of Serbia and Kosovo have tentatively agreed on how to implement a European Union-sponsored plan to normalize their relations after decades of tensions between the two Balkan wartime foes, EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said Saturday after chairing talks between them.

...

Borrell said that despite the fact that �a more ambitious text� was proposed at the beginning of Saturday�s negotiations than the one the parties have accepted, �it will become an integral part of their respective European Union path.�

�Parties could not reach an agreement on this more detailed proposal,� Borrell said. �Kosovo lacked flexibility on the substance (of the agreement), while Serbia previously stated principle not to sign although they are ready to implement.�

...
Although tentatively agreeing on the EU plan reached last month, Serbia�s populist President Vucic seemed to backtrack on some of its points after pressure from far-right groups, which consider Kosovo the cradle of the Serbian state and Orthodox religion.

So... there's partial agreement on the less-ambitious proposal? I dunno you guy figure it out :v:

# ? Mar 19, 2023 18:51

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

mobby_6kl posted:

Let's go with the latest one from AP: https://apnews.com/article/serbia-kosovo-talks-vucic-kurti-ohrid-042159cf4712bb9fc723f75fa14c8ad4

So... there's partial agreement on the less-ambitious proposal? I dunno you guy figure it out

Time to shake my business news subscriptions tree.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-18/serbia-and-kosovo-make-progress-in-mending-ties-eu-envoy-says
19 hours ago

quote:

Serbia and Kosovo agreed on steps to implement a European Union plan aimed at defusing disputes that have threatened stability in the Balkans, European Union foreign policy chief Josep Borrell said as he mediated the latest round of talks between the wartime foes.

Kosovo will immediately begin by allowing �self-management� for local minority Serbs, Borrell said late Saturday at a press conference in Ohrid, North Macedonia, after a 12-hour-long negotiation. The issue of giving Serbs living in Kosovo a degree of autonomy was a major hurdle for the government in Pristina during past talks.

�Kosovo and Serbia have agreed on the implementation Annex of the agreement on the path to normalization of relations between them,� Borrell said. �This is not just about Kosovo and Serbia, it�s about the stability, the security, the prosperity of the whole region.�

...

Borrell said there is still a lot of work that both parties need to do, adding the agreement reached on Saturday fell short of the EU�s original proposal for Annex, a kind of road map on how to implement the agreement.

�The parties were not able to find a mutually acceptable solution as ambitious as we were proposing,� he said. �We will forcefully demand the parties to fulfill their obligations. Both parties will be bound by their agreement, which will be part of their European Union path.�

...

https://www.ft.com/content/f6744bf6-a2b5-4149-8c86-3256270bf09d
2 hours ago

quote:

Serbia and Kosovo have agreed to implement an EU plan to resolve a decades-long dispute that has simmered since Kosovo�s 2008 declaration of independence in the wake of the Balkans wars.

The deal was announced late on Saturday by EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell, after 12 hours of talks between the Serbian president and the Kosovo prime minister on normalising ties between their countries.

...

An agreement between Belgrade and Pristina was initially reached last month but without a mutually acceptable plan to put it into practice. That second document was thrashed out on Saturday, although once again it was not signed.

Borrell said the deal had been watered down from a more ambitious version which Kosovo would not accept. Serbia also refused to sign the agreement, although it was willing to implement it.

Kosovo has agreed to �immediately� set up an association of Serb majority municipalities, a move long demanded by Serbs in Kosovo.

Serbia, meanwhile, said it would �not object to Kosovo�s membership of any international organisation�. Although Saturday�s agreement does not say so explicitly, this means Kosovo may become a member of the UN, its historic ambition.

Vučić warned of a difficult path ahead. �It wasn�t D-Day, but it was an OK day,� the Serbian president said. �We made a good move in a constructive atmosphere. We have started to act.�

Kurti called it a �public agreement�, adding that it was �up to the EU to find the mechanism to make the status of this agreement legally and internationally binding�.

The EU will make implementation of the Kosovo-Serbia agreement a condition for the eventual accession of both countries. Borrell said �there will be consequences� if the sides fail to follow through on their commitments.
...

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Basically, the Borrell tweet is� okay. They have a deal. It's a worse deal than they wanted to, but it's a done deal, and the first steps are being taken. This is excellent news, and I'm excited about their progress.

# ? Mar 19, 2023 19:41

OddObserver: Apr 3, 2009

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Basically, the Borrell tweet is� okay. They have a deal. It's a worse deal than they wanted to, but it's a done deal, and the first steps are being taken. This is excellent news, and I'm excited about their progress.

Seems like a reverse Minsk: there is no signed agreement, but there are actionable implementation steps that might actually work?

# ? Mar 19, 2023 20:25

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

OddObserver posted:

Seems like a reverse Minsk: there is no signed agreement, but there are actionable implementation steps that might actually work?

Yeah, kind of. Basically, Serbia and Kosovo have agreed to do stuff, but the relationship is that instead of each other telling that something is bad, they'll have the EU do the telephone thing. Fine by me as long as it works, we're supposed to be the civil administration superpower anyhow.

# ? Mar 19, 2023 20:30

Qtotonibudinibudet: Nov 7, 2011; Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

i am laughing far too hard at this

https://twitter.com/kadabrus/status/1637587508279103494

damnit, i know i have an accent, vowel clusters are hard okay

# ? Mar 20, 2023 02:59

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Qtotonibudinibudet posted:

i am laughing far too hard at this

https://twitter.com/kadabrus/status/1637587508279103494

damnit, i know i have an accent, vowel clusters are hard okay

didn't know you were from japan, cool

# ? Mar 20, 2023 04:42

BougieBitch: Oct 2, 2013; Basic as hell

I'm trying to phonetically puzzle this out as a native English speaker - is the joke that people have trouble saying "double-u" so when you read off a url you end up saying "dyakuyu dyakuyu dyakuyu"? It was the only thing I could come up with from the context

Edit: honestly it feels like the joke is on me, because dya doesn't have any sort of "typical" pronunciation in English so I have to guess at what sound is being conveyed

BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 20, 2023

# ? Mar 20, 2023 16:30

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Yes, you nailed it! Now keep going, and what ever you do, don't use Internet search engine to look up the word :v:

# ? Mar 20, 2023 16:57

BougieBitch: Oct 2, 2013; Basic as hell

Nenonen posted:

Yes, you nailed it! Now keep going, and what ever you do, don't use Internet search engine to look up the word

Well now that I know what the word is I still don't really get the joke - why is the tweet text "new English words I learned"?

How does that relate to "vowel clusters are hard"?

E: Feel free to ignore me, I realize explaining jokes is not that entertaining - I don't really expect translations for non-English text in non-English thread but I saw a post where the original tweet was English and the commentary was English and then didn't get the joke

BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Mar 20, 2023

# ? Mar 20, 2023 17:32

Qtotonibudinibudet: Nov 7, 2011; Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

also an oops on my part where i thought дякуємо was the only form of the word (it's a verb, and that's the 1p conjugation, versus the дякую 1s) and the vowels were getting smushed and confused. TIL

edit: in actual content in very eastern europe news, Kazakhstan has held its first parliamentary elections since Tokayev's (purported) reform efforts. following late 2022 snap presidential elections where there was definitely no meaningful challenge to Tokayev, the snap parliamentary elections under new rules have apparently shown... also no meaningful challenge to Tokayev's government. New Kazakhstan is pretty much Same Old Kazakhstan.

although the post-referendum rules re-introduced a large number of single-mandate seats, with self-nominated candidates representing geographic constituencies alongside the party list seats (which have comprised almost all of the Mazhilis since 2007), initial counts indicate that most single-mandate races have favored candidates aligned with the ruling party of power, Amanat (rebranded from Nur-Otan). turnout and voter confidence were both low. observers reported typical violations and interference with observers.

composition of parliament is expected to change, but not meaningfully

https://twitter.com/joannalillis/status/1637518808704221186

Amanat having a much smaller majority is maybe notable, but the other parties likely remain essentially captive opposition, and the Amanat-aligned single-mandate members suggest this is more shuffling the deck chairs than anything. speaking of chairs, shoutouts to this meme voter

https://twitter.com/Peter__Leonard/status/1637367636408270848

Qtotonibudinibudet fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Mar 20, 2023

# ? Mar 20, 2023 18:29

with a rebel yell she QQd: Jan 18, 2007; Villain

https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1638904947113615363?s=20

The Hungarian position is NO GENDER!

# ? Mar 23, 2023 22:16

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

with a rebel yell she QQd posted:

https://twitter.com/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1638904947113615363?s=20

The Hungarian position is NO GENDER!

Was this Orban?

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# ? Mar 23, 2023 22:32

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

There is no gender in Hungarian language (he/she is �). A grammatically correct slogan.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 22:38

Nenonen: Oct 22, 2009; Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

I heard that Orbie's main influence comes from a pamphlet called Negro-no-migration, aka. Book of the Chud.

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# ? Mar 23, 2023 22:44

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

For some reason, I thought I'm in U/R actually, so this is explicitly my bad on both probations. Sorry, folks.

I will, however, leave them on as Facebook humour tax. _{Cutting down 24h to sixer.} :colbert:

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Mar 23, 2023

# ? Mar 23, 2023 22:54

bad_fmr: Nov 28, 2007

Nenonens post was bad enough to deserve the 24h tbh, so you should have trusted your instincts.

Serious part of the post:
Its getting near easter which means Mämmi time! Already ate one box just for fun.

# ? Mar 24, 2023 19:21

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

bad_fmr posted:

Nenonens post was bad enough to deserve the 24h tbh, so you should have trusted your instincts.

Serious part of the post:
Its getting near easter which means Mämmi time! Already ate one box just for fun.

This thread is more casually moderated, under regional thread rules, and thus a 24-hour probe would not constitute consistent moderation.

As for the mammi chat, I still haven't had any in my life, thankfully. However, I was shopping for a duffel bag recently, with the primary goal being something durable and versatile, that's going to fit airplane carry-on luggage dimensions. Initial candidate was Patagonia Black Hole 55L, but that was a bit too big and hard to find the stock when I was shopping. Ended up buying something else:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE5j2-FslLY

A bit tactilol and somewhat pricy, but the size of the 50L variant is perfect, and I don't care about the weight, just the durability of it, which should be more than sufficient for my needs, even in the countryside. The rest of the premium I can technically write off as supporting the local economy, as some of it is made in Estonia, apparently.

# ? Mar 24, 2023 19:56

bad_fmr: Nov 28, 2007

Oh I know but Nenonens terrible puns deserve some ribbing.

Savotta make really nice stuff. Some of it is a bit tackticklol but then again they make a lot of gear for the FDF. The 'paratrooper' backpacks we had in the sevice are in my opinion the best heavy duty backpack I have ever used. And durable as hell considering all the abuse they went through. And like you said they are made locally in Finland, Estonia and Poland.

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Mr. Apollo: Nov 8, 2000

I have nothing to do with this site, but there's a guy selling shirts and accessories with the 1992 Olympics Lithuanian basketball jersey design on them: http://www.skullman.com/ (the website is straight out of 1998).

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