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They, quite literally, have had people who have partaken in scams in the past vis a vis gizmondo on their payroll since day 1. Roberts himself scammed Microsoft. He was also sued for scamming people while in Hollywood. There is absolutely no chance it hasn’t been an absolute scam since day 1
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Cutedge posted:They are selling new 1600 dollar spaceship packages. You can buy them and get access to the game immediately. It is, for all intents and purposes, a live game. This entire "we'll sell you a product but it's a piece of poo poo so we'll call it an alpha so we're safe from criticism lol" is just nonsense. Game companies need to stop trying to have their cake and eat it too on this. lmao there's a https://www.mmobomb.com/news/star-citizen-offers-pack-loads-of-starships-40-000
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i am a moron posted:They, quite literally, have had people who have partaken in scams in the past vis a vis gizmondo on their payroll since day 1. Roberts himself scammed Microsoft. He was also sued for scamming people while in Hollywood. There is absolutely no chance it hasn’t been an absolute scam since day 1 Yeah, all the shell companies are a sure sign. People don't do that honestly.
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Related question, has there ever been a successful lawsuit against a kickstarter that just took the money and ran? I'm assuming SC monies just come from kickstarter and selling whatever crap through their game. I haven't looked at kickstarter too much but it seems like there is just a whole bunch of project that fail even if it is legitimate, and it doesn't seem like there is any real protection for people donating through it. So like what would the basis of the lawsuit be? Seems sort of like a "you knew the risks" thing.
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dr_rat posted:Related question, has there ever been a successful lawsuit against a kickstarter that just took the money and ran? I'm assuming SC monies just come from kickstarter and selling whatever crap through their game. Only a small amount of the half a billion dollars they've burned came from the Kickstarter campaign; if CIG's to be believed about it, they only went to Kickstarter because they couldn't get their own fundraising site up and running quickly enough. But to answer the question, no, there isn't any real protection for people donating through Kickstarter, and there was even less protection back when Star Citizen was raising money there. No chance a lawsuit's gonna get anywhere, especially with the changes in Star Citizen's terms of service, and their time-honored "we're still working on the game so you can't claim we ripped you off yet, also we already delivered something playable so we don't owe you anything more" line apparently went over pretty well whenever someone sued 'em for a refund. Chris and his team of grifters are going to keep every fuckin' penny they paid themselves of backer money when this is over, guaranteed.
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Trilobite posted:Only a small amount of the half a billion dollars they've burned came from the Kickstarter campaign; if CIG's to be believed about it, they only went to Kickstarter because they couldn't get their own fundraising site up and running quickly enough. its real unfortunate but they wouldn't have bothered trying to keep the money flowing in after the kickstarter, unless chris and ortwin consulted some really expensive lawyers first to make sure it was all 100% rock solid they were un-touchable
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A lot of backers point to Chris' relatively meager salary as evidence it's not a scam (it's still a lot of money) but that ignores that Chris Roberts has been gifted a company of 700+ employees and whatever assets they own completely free of charge with presumably zero debt on the books. If CIG ever decides to shut down or Chris wants to sell it off that's probably a nice chunk of money in a liquidation/sale.
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Do they publish detailed finances (I'm guessing hell no)? If not I'm guessing he also has a hell of an expense account. If food, travel, health insurance, car, clothes are all taken care of, that can add up to not an insignificant amount of money.
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Popete posted:A lot of backers point to Chris' relatively meager salary as evidence it's not a scam (it's still a lot of money) but that ignores that Chris Roberts has been gifted a company of 700+ employees and whatever assets they own completely free of charge with presumably zero debt on the books. If CIG ever decides to shut down or Chris wants to sell it off that's probably a nice chunk of money in a liquidation/sale. Didn’t he sell the IP to his own company for a shitload of money? I remember something like this.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Is blobbers spinning this debacle? I need Joe in my life. Anyone knows if he’s still around? He shoulda been in full swing by now.
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dr_rat posted:Do they publish detailed finances (I'm guessing hell no)? If not I'm guessing he also has a hell of an expense account. If food, travel, health insurance, car, clothes are all taken care of, that can add up to not an insignificant amount of money. They promised to and then walked that promise back as soon as it would have had to happen, iirc.
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dr_rat posted:Do they publish detailed finances (I'm guessing hell no)? If not I'm guessing he also has a hell of an expense account. If food, travel, health insurance, car, clothes are all taken care of, that can add up to not an insignificant amount of money. The reason they put up shell companies outside of UK is so they don't have to, since UK forces you to make such records public.
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colonelwest posted:Deskeletonization has been added for Tier 0 Stimperial Gameplay… BY THE STIMPEROR  That man is experiencing both deskeletonization and the worst kind of electricity. Unfotunately these are both the same link, what's the attachment one?
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MedicineHut posted:I need Joe in my life. Anyone knows if he’s still around? He shoulda been in full swing by now. I only ever saw him on MassivelyOP but they rarely run SC articles anymore. *Of course their top commented article as soon as I started writing this post is on 3.18 lol. No Blobbers in sight though but he usually waits until everyone's over the story and won't bother replying to his nonsense
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colonelwest posted:Deskeletonization has been added for Tier 0 Stimperial Gameplay… Interesting that they're doing a crossover with Junji Ito's Uzumaki of all things.
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dr_rat posted:Related question, has there ever been a successful lawsuit against a kickstarter that just took the money and ran? I'm assuming SC monies just come from kickstarter and selling whatever crap through their game. There are actually several sued kickstarters that I'm aware of but I can't remember all the names. Guy that somehow failed to deliver a deck of cards: https://www.seattlemet.com/news-and-city-life/2015/10/washington-state-sued-a-failed-kickstarter-project-and-won Couldn't deliver a 'smart' backpack: https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/11/21254802/ibackpack-creator-ftc-settlement-crowdfunding-shipping The legendary Coolest Cooler debacle: https://www.oregonlive.com/business/2020/12/coolest-cooler-in-final-accounting-cost-its-kickstarter-backers-more-than-4-million.html There's a couple drone related ones but I don't think Lily was on kickstarter: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/01/facing-unlawful-business-suit-drone-startup-with-34m-in-pre-orders-closes/ Your definition of 'success' here may vary because some of them ended up compensating the victims very little.
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the real issue with the kickstarters is that even 'legitimately failed' kickstarters burn through 100% of the money trying to fulfill their promises. The people who are too incompetent to complete their kickstarter are also too incompetent to cut their losses.
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Fidelitious posted:There are actually several sued kickstarters that I'm aware of but I can't remember all the names. Hmm, yeah there actually seems to be a bit of variety in there, but seems the big similarity is that a lot or all of the people got nothing, and at least one of them seem to have proof the guy just spent all the kickstarter money on themselves and bitcoin. Think unless conversations leak where they are literally saying "hey what a cool, cool scam we're pulling with this whole Star Citzen thing on all those people who gave us money" a lawsuit probably wouldn't go very far.
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Yeah in any future Space Court scenario, CIG can claim that they made a good faith effort to finish the game and that they have a playable product out now, and it will pretty much need there. No one is going to be interested in looking back through a decade plus of rambling videos and forums posts by CIG to determine wether they delivered what was actually promised or even ever had the intention to. The only consequences Chris could face is if he defrauded the tax man or investors. No government is going to give a poo poo about the nerd who bought an Idris.
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Kikas posted:PC Gamer: The launch of Star Citizen's biggest update has been a shambles, and players are frustrated: 'This is embarrassingly bad' Star Citizen: embarrassingly bad, even by star citizen standards
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I guess I need to go take a look at how bad it is. For what it's worth, I think it's extremely improbable that star citizen started as a scam, but that only makes the ensuing conversation of "when does something like this become a scam" more interesting. It's my assumption that at some point the development process was hopelessly mired in tech debt and the prevailing incentive shifted to maximizing ship sales, and it's not hard to imagine that there's some critical intent threshold you can pass where at least some of the higher ups KNOW the game development process is a disaster, but its a disaster that continues to support them as long as you refashion an eternal "alpha" as a salesfloor
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quote:Roberts has since claimed that Star Citizen is a spiritual successor to both Wing Commander and Freelancer. Pre-production of Star Citizen began in 2010 and so making 2023 it's 13th year in development. The single player game SQ42, originally slated for release in 2014 is still MIA and the Star Citizen MMO is still in a pre alpha state. quote:Beginning in 1961, the Apollo program consisted of 11 total spaceflights; four of those tested equipment, and six of the other seven flights landed people on the moon, according to NASA. The first crewed flight occurred in 1968, and the final mission occurred in 1972. 
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Yeah but obviously Star Citizen will be much more important to humanity than the Apollo program in the long run, so of course it's going to take a decade or two longer to complete.
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Randalor posted:Interesting that they're doing a crossover with Junji Ito's Uzumaki of all things.
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Popete posted:If CIG ever decides to shut down or Chris wants to sell it off that's probably a nice chunk of money in a liquidation/sale. This has already happened. Chris personally pocketed $5mil with the sale of shares to the Calders. Also CIG (or a shell company managing rights licensing) paid Chris $1mil right from the rip. Chris sold his idea to his own company (with capital extracted from backers). Moreover, we don't even know CR's salary. We only know Erin's. IAbsolveMyself fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Mar 16, 2023 |
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Mellow_ posted:
I did something similar. I made my desktop background the RSI Orion as a reminder of just how much money i threw the gently caress away.
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Mellow_ posted:
You know what, I'd love to see this at my work lol I'd totally play dumb and ask whoever to tell me about these ships
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They had a refund clause in the terms of service that they quietly removed when the deadline was reached. That was 2017 i think? If it didn’t start as a scam, it was one then.
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holtemon posted:You know what, I'd love to see this at my work lol I'd ask them if they're excited for Starfield.
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Decon posted:I'd ask them if they're excited for Starfield. Or if those are new ships in elite
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JugbandDude posted:They had a refund clause in the terms of service that they quietly removed when the deadline was reached. I'd say that's a great spot to plant the 'now officially a scam' flag in the timeline of this debacle
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 I'm getting pretty old so I too have issues with leaking gas clouds
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Cutedge posted:
"It is detrimental..."
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Words are hard man, you shouldn't judge them. They barely entered high school
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Pretty clear that's not a native english speaker. Still funny though.
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Fysiks  https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...utm_name=iossmf Also the game is now full of dead bodies everywhere. Players will log out and the super advanced and immersive PES tech decides to keep their lifeless avatars (and sometimes ships) hanging about.  quote:The creepy side of persistance - Hundreds of floating bodies around port Tressler https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitize...utm_name=iossmf colonelwest fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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You're telling me CIG didn't think about the consequences of people being able to dump items and bodies anywhere in the world indefinitely (or some undefined item limit starts culling them supposedly)?
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Popete posted:You're telling me CIG didn't think about the consequences of people being able to dump items and bodies anywhere in the world indefinitely (or some undefined item limit starts culling them supposedly)? 
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