Evil Kit posted:

Flamethrower needs some kind of nerf for sure, but even I'm unsure how they could tap it down without hitting it. Lower the range potentially? It's def got a longer range than the staff, presumably because it has ammo as opposed to being infinite. Maybe nerf the ammo recovery, or tap the max ammo down a bit?

The other issue Jerkface mentioned is being able to melt carapace with it due to how Zealot charge interacts with reducing armor types. Maybe Fatshark will look at that and change it? Dunno how I'd feel about it being removed but I'd at least understand it.

The idea of someone shouting really loud making armor less effective is pretty funny though.

Magitek posted:

Lowering its clip size would be a decent way to go about it. Right now it can be swept side to size to wipe out multiple approaching hordes, or hold a giant mess of baddies at bay for a sustained period. Adding a period of reload vulnerability in the middle where the zealot could benefit from team support would give less of the impression that they're soloing the entire threat.

Magitek posted:

Lowering its clip size would be a decent way to go about it. Right now it can be swept side to size to wipe out multiple approaching hordes, or hold a giant mess of baddies at bay for a sustained period. Adding a period of reload vulnerability in the middle where the zealot could benefit from team support would give less of the impression that they're soloing the entire threat.

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Rejects,

Last week we saw the release of Patch #5 and Hotfix 1.0.36, which were focused primarily on quality-of-life changes, bug fixes, and a couple of small buffs for Psyker and Ogryn. Towards the end of March, we’ll release a small content drop containing some additional tools for you to help in the fight against the heretics of Tertium! - Here is a sneak peek of two of the weapons you will find included:

Ironhelm Mk IV Thunder Hammer -
These Thunder Hammers have a weapon special that gives players some cleave before triggering some extra damage when stopping.

Deimos Mk II Blaze Force Sword -
This Force Sword employs more of a thrusting attack pattern that is great against armoured, single-target enemies.

Furthermore we’ll be deploying a couple of new conditions (and some modified versions of already existing conditions), which you will be able to see on the Mission Board in the coming weeks.

Now onto some questions!

Material Pickup Prompt

We’ve seen the community feedback on the recent patch that added new notifications when picking up crafting resources. We'll be looking at implementing a toggle for this option in the interim so you can choose to opt out of the notifications.We're also reviewing the HUD in general with how it works and providing both feedback and information - so please let us know your thoughts on the current HUD and what you would like to see going forward!

Can Opener Blessing

Some players have been asking about a bug with the Can Opener Blessing on the Foe-Rend Ripper Guns - we will add a bug fix in the upcoming content drop so that the brittleness will only be applied on a stab attack.Alongside this bug fix, we’ll add a few buffs to the Foe-Rend Ripper Guns, including; doubling the stacks of brittleness per stab, increasing the stagger capabilities, increasing the damage and armour penetration per stab, and some changes to movement penalties. Detailed patch notes will go live shortly after the content drop releases!

tangy yet delightful posted:

I already feel that the force sword is more single target and not as good against horde so,

"Deimos Mk II Blaze Force Sword -
This Force Sword employs more of a thrusting attack pattern that is great against armoured, single-target enemies."

I guess I'll have an interesting time comparing the two but I'm trying to imagine a sword even worse against mobs when I already find the current sword to be fine against single target chunky foes (special attack puts in *work*) and barely ok against mobs.

edit: Ogryn ripper gun I don't feel one way or the other about as a) I didn't have one with that and b) I like my heavy stubber goes brrrrrrtt

celewign posted:

The force sword is my go to horde destroyer as a veteran. Hmm

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

New comm-link just dropped. Pretty light on content - the next patch will have new weapons including a more cleave-focused thunder hammer and a single-target force sword (catfish on the discord insisted there would be more than just those two). Plus new conditions, twists on existing ones, and some ripper gun changes.

megane posted:

It’s an easy mistake to make since they have similar names, but you can tell them apart because one is a veteran weapon and therefore the best melee weapon in the game for any class by miles, while the other is a psyker weapon and therefore worthless trash

FrancisFukyomama posted:

Is the flame staff any good? I played with it in the sim and it felt like the flamer but less fun

tangy yet delightful posted:

Can someone do a how-to post about mods and how much they'll steal my login info and get my steam banned? TIA.

FatShark posted:

When using mods, there are a few key points that Fatshark wants players to consider. Players found using any mods falling within any of the below categories in a way that affects other unmodded players will be subject to a prompt warning and possible ban from the game service.

Using mods that directly affect unmodded players’ experience of the game and/or is used to grief other players.
Examples: Speed hacks, outright cheating in missions, etc.
Using mods that affect the stability/performance of the game service.
Using mods that devalue other players’ investments (time or monetary) in the game
Examples: Bypassing progression, penances or contracts, unlocking of premium cosmetics and currencies in the game service.
Toxic behaviors reported as an indirect result of using mods.
Mods will have access to the same authentication level as the regular game has which means that mods are perfectly capable of managing inventories, currencies and characters as they see fit, including but not limited to:

deleting characters
selling or buying items
spending premium currency
The use of mods is therefore to be done at players own risk and Fatshark will not be able to help with accounts losing gear, character, or other data as a result of using Mods.

Installation Instructions posted:

Game updates will automatically disable all mods. Re-run toggle_darktide_mods.bat to enable them again.

Installation:
1. Copy the Darktide Mod Loader files to your game directory and overwrite existing.
2. Run toggle_darktide_mods.bat at your game folder.
3. Copy the Darktide Mod Framework files to your "mods" directory (<game folder>/mods) and overwrite existing.
3. Install other mods by downloading them from
creation-showcase
or the Nexus (https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide), then adding them to <game folder>/mods/mod_load_order.txt with a text editor.

Disable mods:
* Disable individual mods by removing their name from your mods/mod_load_order.txt file.
* Run the toggle_darktide_mods.bat script at your game folder and choose to unpatch the bundle database to disable all mod loading entirely.

Uninstallation:
1. Run the toggle_darktide_mods.bat script at your game folder and choose to unpatch the bundle database.
2. Delete the mods and tools folders from your game directory.
3. Delete the mod_loader file from <game folder>/binaries.
4. Delete the 9ba626afa44a3aa3.patch_999 file from <game folder>/bundle.

Updating the mod loader:
1. Run the toggle_darktide_mods.bat script at your game folder and choose to unpatch the bundle database.
2. Copy the Darktide Mod Loader files to your game directory and overwrite existing (except for mod_load_order.txt, if you wish to preserve your mod list).
3. Run toggle_darktide_mods.bat at your game folder to re-enable mods.

Updating any other mod:
1. Delete the mod's directory from your mods folder.
2. Extract the updated mod to your mods folder. All settings will remain intact.

Troubleshooting:
* Make sure your game folder, mods folder, and mod_load_order.txt look like the images on this page: https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/19
* Make sure your mods have their dependencies listed above them in the load order.
* Remove all mods from the load order (or add '--' before each line).
* If all else fails, re-verify your game files and start the mod installation from the beginning.

Creating mods:
1. Download the latest Darktide Mod Builder release: https://github.com/Darktide-Mod-Framework/Darktide-Mod-Builder/releases.
2. Add the unzipped folder to your environment path: https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000549.htm.
3. Run create_mod.bat or dmb create <mod name> in the mods folder. This generates a mod folder with the same name.
4. Add the new mod name to your mod_load_order.txt.
5. Reload mods or restart the game. (edited)

megane posted:

Yes, the Veteran Marksman, the class that is supposed to be focused on ranged damage and does more ranged damage than any 3 of the other classes combined, gets a weapon that makes them also better than every other class at melee, that is correct.

skaianDestiny posted:

They're not good at melee even with the power sword though? Like, they're passable at best. Since melee bleed through damage is percentage-based instead of absolute value-based it means even with the Vet's base 200 toughness you're going to get whittled down in melee and stunned out of swings. The Vet also takes up to double damage when sprinting or dodging, meaning you're going to be taking way more incidental damage than any other class. The power sword can kill crowds and some elites and specials really well...for 2-3 swings, then you need to back up and waste 2 seconds to charge up again and prepare a heavy swing, and you best hope you didn't run into a wall while dodging backwards. Unless you're lucky enough to get Power Cycler, and even then you're running into the problem of "You're a loving Vet why are you in melee and not shooting the shooters or specials?"

People meme about it but the dedicated melee classes are still better than Veteran at melee. Zealot has way more options to handle both large hordes and specials, and a ton of feats that give them a lot of flexibility in melee. Being able to not be staggered or stunned by attacks when charging up a heavy swing is a loving godsend. I'm speaking from experience of doing dozens of Heresy and Damnation runs as both Veteran, Zealot, and Psyker.

If Veteran didn't have the power sword, I'd argue they'd be an outright liability in melee and tip toward being actually quite bad as a class.

Jerkface posted:

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/82

Essential Mod

Players will now be holding their secondary / ranged weapons in the mission lobby instead of their melee weapons

big cummers ONLY posted:

Fixes like these are so trivial that unpaid volunteers can see the need, develop a fix, and implement it, while Fatshark cannot. Wild.

Jerkface posted:

which are currently not highlighted

Mendrian posted:

I think honestly it's a real shame that Vets are so weak in melee they have to lean on the power sword, it's stupid to have a class who technically has access to a bunch of weapons but are only ever going to choose one.

The way to address that is to nerf the power sword, yes, but also remove the things that require its use; remove the hidden penalties for vets running, for instance, or give them stamina regen in line with other classes, or give them a feat or two that enhances their utility in melee. Even Zealots gets a ranged feat (though granted it's only when you're super close).

The main issue I have with the power sword is that it doesn't really have a niche. It just does chopping and killing really well. Yeah you have to hit Alt to do it, but that's true of several weapons. To be clear I think it's fine, it's not going to break the game in half, and as others pointed out even a vet with the power sword, which is arguably the best weapon in the game, is primarily trying to get out of melee most of the time. But it is just a shame that vets feel compelled to take it, and that's a balance issue. If 80% of players are defaulting to the same weapon, that should be addressed because it murders variety.

DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

if the zealot or Ogryn had access to the power sword, it would be beyond absurd. As it is the sword just means vets don’t just instantly die in melee (the way psykers do)

FrancisFukyomama posted:

Is the flame staff any good? I played with it in the sim and it felt like the flamer but less fun

haldolium posted:

its broken though so they do show up sometimes, but not always and more relevant not *all* of them so I keep thinking "oh theres a shotty better watch it" but then there are actually 5.

haldolium posted:

yeah its true for a lot of weapons though which still are maybe fun to use but not necessarily the goto weapon for 5. Many still need a good balance pass to become viable, but on Vet especially I also think they're just too similar in design. But f.e. the energy/railgun whatever its called (seriously the naming in Darktide just makes my brain blank out on everything, at least theres a mod for missions now lol) is such a great special weapon, amazing in other Warhammer videogames but here it's just meh.

Improbable Lobster posted:

Give Ogryns A Sword

Valtonen posted:

Vets do have 4 replenishable nades that do not do friendly damage. Last time I checked, they do a ton of stagger damage.

Now, I am not arguing these counter ALL the veteran’s weaknesses in melee, But just pointing out that they in fact do have a secondary, replenishing source of reliably staggering everything sans bosses.

Jerkface posted:

Evil Kit posted:

I think that last part might be a you thing because the Plasma Gun is a fuckin' iconic weapon of 40k lol. You don't even need to read the rest of its name to look at it and know you're calling it a Plasma Gun.

Jerkface posted:

if you pull out a grenade in the middle of a horde you're going to die. Of course if you're moving in to a horde or create enough space yea the grenades are dope. Like the key thing is that as a vet you don't want to get stuck in the actual melee meat grinder, because you want to be able to do heavy powersword swings with it fully activated. you want to be able to grenade for your teammates to buy space. Ogryn and Zealot both have ways to create their own space and the vet does not, they have dogshit tools for that.