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Harold Fjord posted:Tricky because you don't want to go off half cocked but fascists are never good faith in their insistence that everyone else has to perfectly follow the rules
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/16/politics/mar-a-lago-trump-subpoenas I hope someone records the staff meeting there tonight/tomorrow where they are all told to lie about whatever they are asked. And i'm betting so many of them hate his guts for they way they've been treated. But they likely have all been made to sign waivers if they say anything bad about him. EXCLUSIVE: Dozens of Mar-a-Lago staff, from servers to aides, are subpoenaed in classified documents probe "At least two dozen people – from Mar-a-Lago resort staff to members of Donald Trump’s inner circle at the Florida estate – have been subpoenaed to testify to a federal grand jury that’s investigating the former president’s handling of classified documents" OgNar fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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cr0y posted:This is a separate call from the one we all know about. The last couple of days have had a few leaks which seem to be coming from the grand jury so this seems like it’s culminating.
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InsertPotPun posted:yeah but like it's not half cocked. one tenth of the evidence alone would get any one of us life in prison and that's just the stuff we've seen live and trump has admitted to. if you or i went on national television and said "yeah, i broke a few laws..." there'd be police cars parked inside our collective asses in minutes. The thing is, it’s not just Trump. Dozens of others have quite clearly committed multiple felonies and they are still wandering around grifting and further making GBS threads up the country. Why are we sitting on those cases? Edit: DoJ told the DC courts to expect a higher rate of indictments over the next few months. Sure, it seems to be about the other 1000 or so Jan 6 insurrectionists who fought with cops or entered the capitol but I can hope that maybe they also are prepping for people closer to Trump or or the false electors. Murgos fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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OgNar posted:https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/16/politics/mar-a-lago-trump-subpoenas I mean other than the obvious it really sounds like they're trying to get a clear picture of who was constantly milling about when those documents were also floating around. Also probably to poke holes in the idea that they were secured in some way amongst a million other lies that could probably be shot down pretty quickly with eyewitness testimony from several dozen people.
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This is probably a dumb question but if subpoenaed testimony butts heads with a nondisclosure agreement what happens?
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ihop posted:This is probably a dumb question but if subpoenaed testimony butts heads with a nondisclosure agreement what happens? I don't know a lot of lawyer-y stuff. What I have been seeing is that NDAs have been pretty routinely told to piss up a rope even just on first amendment grounds of "screw you I want to say that anyway". If there's a subpoena in the mix I can't see them having a hope of preventing testimony. Unless you're a fascist bad faith actor looking for any piss poor rhetorical shield to hide behind. In which case our entire system seems to kind of grind to a halt and start sputtering things about dogs playing basketball.
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ihop posted:This is probably a dumb question but if subpoenaed testimony butts heads with a nondisclosure agreement what happens? a subpoena is coming from a court, that court is going to tell any NDA to go eat poo poo right quick, there are very VERY few exceptions to testifying, primarily 5th amendment reasons and maybe national security stuff but any natsec is going to be hashed out by government lawyers anyway. Regardless the court can just simply grant immunity for the testimony so even if the NDA would be otherwise valid a judge can literally make it so that the subpoenaed testimony doesn't count for the NDA.
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could be wrong but NDAs seem to be a threat that a company or wealthy person will force you to spend all your time and money fighting the NDA rather than actual legal consequences resulting from violating it. Unless you default, I guess.
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ihop posted:This is probably a dumb question but if subpoenaed testimony butts heads with a nondisclosure agreement what happens? Pretty sure most NDAs have a clause that renders them moot when the signer has to testify under oath in a court of law. quote:Most NDAs include provisions that eliminate confidentiality obligations in case one of the parties is subject to the order of a court. Regardless, a court may order a witness to testify irrespective of any NDA. Therefore, if you are compelled to testify, you must do so unless an exception applies (e.g., self-incrimination) or a legally defined privilege (e.g., married couples, attorney and clients, doctors and patients, etc.). However, there is no privilege for corporate secrets.
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ihop posted:This is probably a dumb question but if subpoenaed testimony butts heads with a nondisclosure agreement what happens? Surprised we haven't seen Trump argue this yet in court. I seem to recall him requiring NDAs from White House Staff while he was president.
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Trump attorney ordered to testify before grand jury investigating former president quote:A federal judge has ordered Donald Trump attorney Evan Corcoran to provide additional testimony as part of an investigation into the former president’s handling of classified documents, a source familiar with the matter told CNN.  The next few weeks are looking to be quite cathartic.
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My attorneys(multiple) got attorneys (multiple)
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cr0y posted:My attorneys(multiple) got attorneys (multiple) The attorney centipede has to be at least 2 levels long this point, right? Incredible.
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MSNBC had a ticker about 30 minutes ago that multiple police agencies are told to prepare for an indictment as early as next week. https://www.msnbc.com/chris-jansing-reports/watch/law-enforcement-preparing-for-possible-trump-indictment-as-early-as-next-week-165521477922 Zotix fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Deteriorata posted:Trump attorney ordered to testify before grand jury investigating former president That's a loving big deal.
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Zotix posted:MSNBC had a ticker about 30 minutes ago that multiple police agencies are told to prepare for an indictment as early as next week. quote:NYC Security Preps Underway for Possible Trump Indictment as Soon as Next Week: Sources Harold Fjord posted:That's a loving big deal.
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This is the weakest of the ongoing investigations and I have some (admittedly tinfoil hat wearing) concern that it's being set up as a spoiler. Bragg appears to have RUSHED to this indictment for what appears to be a long out of statute of limitations crime implying that he's got to be either trying something legally novel to extend the time limit or this is some new but previously undiscovered crime that relates to the original crime or its mostly nonsense. Bragg could have played hardball with Trumps CFO and put him in jail for a decade but instead gave him a sweetheart deal for a few months and kind of let it all go. Bragg also closed down the bigger RICO oriented investigation as soon as he took office, against the strong opinions of the prosecutors. So, why should I believe that Bragg is serious now? My concern is that this weak case is being brought forward so quickly that its just to get ahead of the Georgia case and distract and confuse the issue by people friendly to Trump to further the 'witch hunt' narrative. Or, slightly less tin-foil but more plausible that Bragg is rushing this forward now to get the headlines ahead of the more serious case in GA even though the case will end up being an easy walk for Trump and his propaganda arm. edit: A bad indictment and a weak case the Trump can use to further his persecution narrative is bad. Very bad. Murgos fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Murgos posted:This is the weakest of the ongoing investigations and I have some (admittedly tinfoil hat wearing) concern that it's being set up as a spoiler. I think you’re ignoring the more parsimonious possibility that Bragg is just a shitheel who wants in on the upcoming indictment party and he’s bad at his job so it’s a rushed mess.
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MSNBC also reporting that Trump's attorney says that if he's indicted that he will surrender.
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Zotix posted:MSNBC also reporting that Trump's attorney says that if he's indicted that he will surrender. But what about his client? 
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You can say "they're all operating independently and not coordinating" but I do not believe that at all. 
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Zotix posted:MSNBC also reporting that Trump's attorney says that if he's indicted that he will surrender. Where are you seeing this?
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mdemone posted:You can say "they're all operating independently and not coordinating" but I do not believe that at all. Has anyone actually said that they are?
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Captain Melo posted:Where are you seeing this? The end of the 5:55pm hour on MSNBC channel on TV.
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Randalor posted:But what about his client? 
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Xiahou Dun posted:Has anyone actually said that they are? No, but the experts seem to agree that it would not be kosher, or in anyone's benefit. I can't see how that could be true. Fani Willis absolutely knows more about the Jack Smith schedule than we do, for example.
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mdemone posted:No, but the experts seem to agree that it would not be kosher, or in anyone's benefit. Are you talking about “co-ordinating” as in being in communication and offering assistance where applicable or do you mean like a conspiracy? Because I think the former is pretty trivially true and the latter is out there nonsense.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Are you talking about “co-ordinating” as in being in communication and offering assistance where applicable or do you mean like a conspiracy? Because I think the former is pretty trivially true and the latter is out there nonsense. No I just mean scheduling. Like "hey are you doing anything about it next week? Should we slow-play?"
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mdemone posted:No I just mean scheduling. Like "hey are you doing anything about it next week? Should we slow-play?" Then just guessing, but it’s possible the experts you’re hearing are similar to me. Basic scheduling doesn’t rise to my personal level where I’d call it “co-ordination” ; these are all decently high-up people in large prosecutorial roles so maybe they’re not friends or whatever but I guarantee they know people who know the other people and there’d be generalized lateral communication of some kind. But what the hell do I know, I’m basically just imagining how people inside a larger occupation communicate with each other and guessing.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Then just guessing, but it’s possible the experts you’re hearing are similar to me. Basic scheduling doesn’t rise to my personal level where I’d call it “co-ordination” ; these are all decently high-up people in large prosecutorial roles so maybe they’re not friends or whatever but I guarantee they know people who know the other people and there’d be generalized lateral communication of some kind. So you'd imagine that Merrick Garland's office has at least had some communication with the Georgia and Manhattan investigations? Because that seems only natural to me, but people are going to get mad about it.
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mdemone posted:So you'd imagine that Merrick Garland's office has at least had some communication with the Georgia and Manhattan investigations? Because that seems only natural to me, but people are going to get mad about it. Yes but those people would get mad about anything, so gently caress 'em.
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mdemone posted:So you'd imagine that Merrick Garland's office has at least had some communication with the Georgia and Manhattan investigations? Because that seems only natural to me, but people are going to get mad about it. Do I think that Merrick Garland has a big group chat text thread labelled “TrumpBustBros”? Almost definitely not. But I bet you that there’s enough overlap in personnel that some people know each other from conferences/trainings/prior work/looking for work/going to school/etc. and word generally gets around long before it’s in the news. Maybe not even directly, but through small organic hops, because there’s just not that many people at those levels.
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Zotix posted:MSNBC also reporting that Trump's attorney says that if he's indicted that he will surrender. Trump has never been honest with his attorneys in his life. No one knows what trumps going to do when the balloon goes up. Not even Trump.
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I don't think the various agencies are coordinating in a "hey let's be sleezy and work together to do shady poo poo" kind of way but I'm sure they keep in enough contact as to not totally derail one another via what could be considered a big move, ie execute a search warrant or indict someone. I'm sure they try to be isolated and do what they can to avoid stepping on each other's toes. It's none of the agency's fault that Trump and his moron associates do so many crimes that multiple federal and state agencies have to get in line rather than try to plow through the door all at once.  This but prosecutors E: thinking about it more it might be that Trump thinks that this is actually the defense, something something double jeopardy something something cr0y fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 18, 2023 |
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  All caps except for "Page 2:" is kinda funny. Trumpy seems to believe his date with intake is next Tuesday. That might make sense if it's true the GJ sits Mondays and Wednesdays. I suppose Monday would be the vote to indict, then who knows if that really results in Trump turning himself in on Tuesday (if at all). Thanks to the all caps rant and Trump's track record of just blurting everything out, I'm enjoying this regardless.
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Has Trump ever mentioned Soros by name before? Feels like he is just falling down the same bullshit conspiracy crap he used to peddle. I always felt Trump would say anything to appease his base because his narcissism needs their love so much but he was never a true believer himself, but mentioning Soros by name feels like a turn.
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I'm starting to believe this now, if they were going to nail him they would absolutely inform his attorneys first. The fact that he is flat out calling for his morons to do violence is not really surprising.
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Madkal posted:Has Trump ever mentioned Soros by name before? Feels like he is just falling down the same bullshit conspiracy crap he used to peddle. Invoking SOROS is like busting out a Magic the Gathering card you've been sitting on for a while.
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