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VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Good to see bike shops in Japan are just like ones these days in North America where they basically have tools in the shop just to assemble stuff so they can sell it.

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hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006
Would you want to commit seppuku over scratching someone’s Domane? A Domane 3? I wouldn’t either.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

VelociBacon posted:

Good to see bike shops in Japan are just like ones these days in North America where they basically have tools in the shop just to assemble stuff so they can sell it.

The one we worked in we bodged so much stuff together with what we could find in our poo poo bin, a bench grinder, and a dremel.

I miss it, too bad it paid nothing and customers got more lovely.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

Heliosicle posted:

The body itself is held on by a seal iirc, so it could be that it wasn't properly seated before which is why it fell off so easily. I can pull my DT hub body off fairly easily but there's some resistance before it comes loose.

A tiny o-ring in the DS endcap is mostly what's holding the freehub assembly against the hub shell. It can wear out pretty quickly, but when brand new they are surprisingly tight.

Jonny Quest
Nov 11, 2004

hadji murad posted:


Just wondering what you guys think.


Pretty sure these Engineer screw removal pliers are made in Japan. They’ve been my go to for all the stuck bullshit that used to result in normal pliers slipping and pinching my skin.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07678B78G

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

I've replaced both the discs and pads on my bike, it runs avid bb7 cable calipers. I used all genuine parts and now regardless of how I adjust them they groan like mad when used, far worse than the old set despite them having contaminated pads and scored up discs. Am I meant to clean the brand new discs with solvent or something? Is there something else I'm missing? The groaning is insanely loud, as if the discs are touching hard parts (they aren't I checked).

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Slavvy posted:

I've replaced both the discs and pads on my bike, it runs avid bb7 cable calipers. I used all genuine parts and now regardless of how I adjust them they groan like mad when used, far worse than the old set despite them having contaminated pads and scored up discs. Am I meant to clean the brand new discs with solvent or something? Is there something else I'm missing? The groaning is insanely loud, as if the discs are touching hard parts (they aren't I checked).

Are you using resin pads or metallic pads? Maybe try switching to the opposite to see if that helps. Groaning IIRC is high frequency vibration so I'm not sure if you can do a lot besides change compound and let them bed in.

Heliosicle
May 16, 2013

Arigato, Racists.

Slavvy posted:

I've replaced both the discs and pads on my bike, it runs avid bb7 cable calipers. I used all genuine parts and now regardless of how I adjust them they groan like mad when used, far worse than the old set despite them having contaminated pads and scored up discs. Am I meant to clean the brand new discs with solvent or something? Is there something else I'm missing? The groaning is insanely loud, as if the discs are touching hard parts (they aren't I checked).

Have you fully bedded the new discs in?

https://youtu.be/BWQxGzHQZVU

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

VelociBacon posted:

Are you using resin pads or metallic pads? Maybe try switching to the opposite to see if that helps. Groaning IIRC is high frequency vibration so I'm not sure if you can do a lot besides change compound and let them bed in.

They are sintered metallic, it's the exact same part number the bike came with.

Heliosicle posted:

Have you fully bedded the new discs in?

https://youtu.be/BWQxGzHQZVU

I thought about this but I'm worried about loving up by brand new discs by just riding through a problem if it isn't just them not being bedded in.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man
Record a video of the groaning.

Invalido
Dec 28, 2005

BICHAELING

Slavvy posted:

Am I meant to clean the brand new discs with solvent or something?
Yes. Not sure about your specific discs but all the ones I've ever bought whether for car or bicycle has come coated to some degree with some type of oily or greasy substance.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Invalido posted:

Yes. Not sure about your specific discs but all the ones I've ever bought whether for car or bicycle has come coated to some degree with some type of oily or greasy substance.

Well gently caress does that mean I've contaminated two brand new sets of pads? I just rode it up the street a couple of times. The discs didn't appear to have anything on them based on my touching the center parts.

Invalido
Dec 28, 2005

BICHAELING

Slavvy posted:

Well gently caress does that mean I've contaminated two brand new sets of pads? I just rode it up the street a couple of times. The discs didn't appear to have anything on them based on my touching the center parts.

It's certainly a possibility your pads are contaminated now. Had you wiped the discs out of the box with a white rag or paper towel with solvent on it you might have come to a different conclusion about their cleanliness.
Then again my impression is that brake noise or not on bicycles apart from cleanliness mainly depends on the luck of the draw, the phase of the moon and who knows what else. But when I had calipers leaking hydraulic fluid onto the pads I sometimes had a squeal so terrible and loud that it was outright shameful, also very bad brake effect. The new not leaky calipers I replaced them with work way better and are much quieter, but not always, depending.

Something you can try is to go over the discs with brake cleaner (for good measure) and then bed the pads in by braking hard from speed a few times when they're as wet as possible - water seems to help sometimes getting rid of squeal for some reason. Pouring water from a bottle and hitting the brake at speed is both fun and safe (no it isnt').
Decontaminating pads is a thing people try. I've tried the soak in brake cleaner, then sand the friction surface down a little method, with questionable results at best. Some claim you can bake them in the oven and boil the gunk out, never tried it.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man
I’ve purchased a lot of bicycle disc rotors individually and included with groupsets and I don’t think any of them have been coated with goo. Only once have I had an issue after a botched bed-in process where too much material was left on one section of the rotor. That resulted in a strong pulsing feeling during medium braking, but not additional noises.

TobinHatesYou fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Mar 11, 2023

Heliosicle
May 16, 2013

Arigato, Racists.

Invalido posted:

Yes. Not sure about your specific discs but all the ones I've ever bought whether for car or bicycle has come coated to some degree with some type of oily or greasy substance.

Just checked some new SRAM rotors I have and that's definitely not always the case, mine are totally dry.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Also chiming in with the “never seen a rotor coated in anything” sentiment

Invalido
Dec 28, 2005

BICHAELING
Honestly the last disc rotor I replaced wasn't very dirty either, not anything like car rotors which are normally greased up to the point of feeling sticky. It was a shimano rotor, but after I took it out of the bag I wiped it down with some solvent out of habit and sure enough, the towel showed a bit of dark something on it. Maybe not enough to contaminate a set of pads, but still not "clean" to my personal working-with-bike-brakes standards of clean at least.

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
BB7s are like geese. Strong, good at making cyclists stop, and if you upset them in any way they won't stop loving honking.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Invalido posted:

Some claim you can bake them in the oven and boil the gunk out, never tried it.
I didn't use an oven, but I have rescued some pads with heat after brake cleaner failed to wash away the contamination. My heat source was a propane torch.

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name
Yeah maybe just bed them in tho

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Unlikely to be contaminated pads, definitely just do since bedding in with water etc.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!
I did maintenance on my mountain bike for upcoming spring. I replaced the sealant in my tubeless tires, and it was still a lot and pretty liquid. I poured that stuff in there like half a year ago (first time with tubeless). Would that stuff still have been good, or does it lose its effectiveness eventually? From everything I've heard before, I would have expected cheese curds in the tire or something.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
If the humidity outside the tire is roughly equal to inside, the sealant doesn’t lose water. Everything else will remain suspended, or can be made uniform with some shaking.

That said, sealant is relatively cheap, so don’t sweat replacing it with new stuff if you feel like it

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
What's more expensive to you another few ounces of sealant or the time you'll spend putting in a tube or the time/money you'll spend paying for a bailout ride if the old sealant doesn't do its job?

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:

Also chiming in with the “never seen a rotor coated in anything” sentiment

:same:

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe
Well, not in the before pictures, at least.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

EvilJoven posted:

What's more expensive to you another few ounces of sealant or the time you'll spend putting in a tube or the time/money you'll spend paying for a bailout ride if the old sealant doesn't do its job?
The sealant isn't the issue. I got a whole liter of that stuff back then to begin with. More the time and mess. When I pulled the first tire of the rim and looked at the white puddle in it, I contemplated my life choices for a brief moment. (--edit: Also peeling/rubbing off the cured bits all over the tires.)

However, the bottle says the stuff is only good for 4-24 weeks, depending on climate and whatever, and it's Continental, and not some bike brand. That's why I even did it.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 11, 2023

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man
I do end up truing most of my rotors out of the packaging. They're mostly straight, but not perfect, and SRAM calipers + new rotors + new pads does not leave any margin for error.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



My feedback truing stand has a part for disc rotors and it’s great.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Combat Pretzel posted:

However, the bottle says the stuff is only good for 4-24 weeks, depending on climate and whatever, and it's Continental, and not some bike brand. That's why I even did it.

The biggest improvement and peace of mind you could make is switching to Orange sealant.

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

kimbo305 posted:

The biggest improvement and peace of mind you could make is switching to Orange sealant.

emptyquote

Heliosicle
May 16, 2013

Arigato, Racists.
Orange seal is good but I'm not a fan of the extra bits of foil or something that they put in there, it gets everywhere whenever I'm cleaning the old stuff out

bicievino
Feb 5, 2015

Heliosicle posted:

Orange seal is good but I'm not a fan of the extra bits of foil or something that they put in there, it gets everywhere whenever I'm cleaning the old stuff out

My trick is to never clean the old sealant out. Add more until the tire is worn and then pitch it.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

bicievino posted:

My trick is to never clean the old sealant out. Add more until the tire is worn and then pitch it.
This is the correct answer. If there's big chunks I yeet them out but I never bother with actual cleaning.

Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Oldsrocket_27
Apr 28, 2009
Where would y'all look for 110 bcd chainrings that are specifically NOT narrow-wide and compatible with 7 speed?

I'd like to replace the chainrings on my commuter once the snow/ salt clears up and I rebuild the poor thing, and all I can find are for 1x setups or 10-11-12 speed. I'm planning to keep it a 7 speed because I don't want to buy new derailleurs and shifters and I like having two chainrings up front (small for snow, big for clear roads). Is it just an eBay scavenger hunt?

SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

Oldsrocket_27 posted:

Where would y'all look for 110 bcd chainrings that are specifically NOT narrow-wide and compatible with 7 speed?

I'd like to replace the chainrings on my commuter once the snow/ salt clears up and I rebuild the poor thing, and all I can find are for 1x setups or 10-11-12 speed. I'm planning to keep it a 7 speed because I don't want to buy new derailleurs and shifters and I like having two chainrings up front (small for snow, big for clear roads). Is it just an eBay scavenger hunt?

Why not use the 10-speed ones? Otherwise yeah it's eBay or parts bins because no way anyone is going to bother making non-hyperglide double chainrings in tyool 2023.

E: let's clarify: a 7-speed freewheel or cassette will work excellently with an 8-speed chain, and so will a matched pair of 10-speed chainrings.

Yeep
Nov 8, 2004
poo poo



I thought I'd measured everything and I'd be fine with the steerer length on some eBay forks but it's about a cm short and definitely below the top bolt. I think the seller was a bit generous with his measurements as well. I'm guessing that's too short to ride safely. Are there any cheap fixes or should I go begging for a return?

meltie
Nov 9, 2003

Not a sodding fridge.

Yeep posted:

poo poo



I thought I'd measured everything and I'd be fine with the steerer length on some eBay forks but it's about a cm short and definitely below the top bolt. I think the seller was a bit generous with his measurements as well. I'm guessing that's too short to ride safely. Are there any cheap fixes or should I go begging for a return?

Maybe a stem with a less-tall clamp?

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Yeep
Nov 8, 2004

meltie posted:

Maybe a stem with a less-tall clamp?

Yeah, I could buy something like a DMR Defy35 but that's £40-60. There are cheap Amazon short stack stems but none for 35mm bars.

In other Yeep makes bad bike decisions news, the 20mm endcaps I bought for my DT Swiss 240s oversize front hub to convert it for these forks don't fit and don't look anything like the picture in the listing. The part number matches what the DT Swiss website says you need to convert an oversize from QR to 20mm but they've got a screw fitting and my hub's QR caps push in.

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