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HopperUK posted:Bifauxnen's post touches on something I wasn't sure how to say which is that if you're not in the hobby, it's hard to explain how life-consuming and emotional and high-stakes online RP can feel. In my early 20s I used to get *way* too sucked into similar online spaces, and there are good reasons I don't join those kinds of games any more. Yeah. This incident has been a dark cloud hanging over our heads ever since it happened. It's hard to understate just how far this stuff can suck you in and hurt you when it goes wrong. Glad to finally have some closure. Props to Pod for acknowledging their missteps, and thanks to Docbeard for letting us say our piece.
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Jesus loving Christ, took me a while to write that up and in the meantime both Pod and peramene posted?! Hoo boy catch up with y'all in a bit
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The Saddest Rhino posted:i can't believe i made a point in sagas discussion about "hey we maybe shouldn't go hunting down people's posts to find out the weird opinions they used to have in order to own them" and then this guy's post history includes "how do i make i sexy animal roleplaying more inclusive" edit:  lmfao
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What in the name of gently caress did I just read
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Mar 19, 2023 05:27
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i appreciate this post, it's thoughtful and tries to explain things in reasonable detail and, well, reasonably
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Mar 19, 2023 05:28
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High-stakes online RP? What in the world lmfao
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HopperUK posted:Bifauxnen's post touches on something I wasn't sure how to say which is that if you're not in the hobby, it's hard to explain how life-consuming and emotional and high-stakes online RP can feel. In my early 20s I used to get *way* too sucked into similar online spaces, and there are good reasons I don't join those kinds of games any more. first description I saw of this said it was 'high investment' and that people were regulaly spending hours a day RPing on just this one thing, much of it with just one or two other people and yeah that's just an incredible amount of time to put into something. idk how people would even manage that without ending up extremely over-invested. It seems like a recipe for disaster. I don't say that to be judgemental or a dick or anything, just that seems like something that is going to be hard to handle for literally anyone.
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peramene posted:I want to be absolutely clear about this, because I see that this is already devolving into the same inane nonsense it devolved into last time Bees tried this on my discord server. lmfao
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That Little Demon posted:Oh so no one else finds it weird that podima is good enough friends with the pet play riven rapist to run games together where they magically rape and piss on players and lock them away in secret rooms where no one knows whats going on and "they know best" and have sex dolls of the players and yet... and yet... look. it sa bsolutely impossible to filter out mods/admins who are so hosed up and insane that announcing them immediately reveals multiple instnaces of absolutely psychotic behavior known to multiple people. trust the process. each admin is hand vetted by a crack team and if they dont find it no one can.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:28
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well, this was a wild ride. Thanks docbeard for opening up discussion.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:29
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American McGay posted:High-stakes online RP? What in the world lmfao That's the thing, it isn't high stakes at all but it *feels* high stakes. It's really hosed up.
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Stop giving admin roles to people on the basis that they seem very meticulous, then at most vetting them by asking their own friends or the other admins about them. Most people who get excited about the prospect of running things are severely hosed up and shun common sense in the name of keeping the cogs spinning the way they envisioned.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:31
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There are such loving freaks and weirdos who run this site man
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Mar 19, 2023 05:32
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Yeah. Its high stakes in the same way a D&D game feels high stakes, except a D&D game only really exists while its being scheduled. In an open area where the "game" is effectively never over, and its up to the user in question to decide when they've had their fill for the day, and people in their friend circle might still be playing where they aren't . . . Its basically to D&D what an MMO is to a video game, so it isn't my surprise that they're at serious risk of hitting the same issues in people.
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HopperUK posted:That's the thing, it isn't high stakes at all but it *feels* high stakes. It's really hosed up. Listen I don't care if someone is wheelchair bound and chained to a beam in their basement or whatever other reason goons give for attaching their entire being to online activity, this is outside of reality and not healthy lol like come on
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Mar 19, 2023 05:33
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kinda seems like in the wrong hands the line between game and cult can start to get blurry
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Mar 19, 2023 05:33
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Lady Radia posted:not tryna be negative, honestly, i agree this was pretty rapid all things considered. but ffs. an iota of communication between the admins and community before the decision was Handed Down from On High would have saved all this effort and concern, and been better for the folks involved to boot. how many times do we have to relearn this lesson Ideally we should be having this happen before final confirmation and promotion happens yeah. I think it would be hugely worthwhile, and this thread kinda proves that it can be done sensibly. Anyway, what we've just seen was an IK made an independent judgement call to head off an imminent problem of not having a public discussion even though the ultimate authority had closed the first thread. Then an admin came by, admitted he didn't know what the gently caress was going on and solicited information and help from the community. The community, both users and moderators, came together to provide mostly salient contextual information with relatively little poo poo posting, and the issue was solved. All in one night. I feel like it's progress.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:33
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I still can't fully process that this involved the sequel to myst of all things at least to some degree like wtf
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very nice i like posted:Listen I don't care if someone is wheelchair bound and chained to a beam in their basement or whatever other reason goons give for attaching their entire being to online activity, this is outside of reality and not healthy lol like come on Yeah that's what I was trying to say, it is super unhealthy and a very bad scene.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:34
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Hey guys I’ve been playing Okami. What did I miss
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very nice i like posted:Listen I don't care if someone is wheelchair bound and chained to a beam in their basement or whatever other reason goons give for attaching their entire being to online activity, this is outside of reality and not healthy lol like come on especially if you have a social circle not only encouraging you to participate but using language that makes participating feel like a moral good
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Mar 19, 2023 05:38
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Yeah and if you're online enough to get sucked into this stuff, it's possible that it will become basically your only social outlet and these are your main friend group and disconnecting feels hard. ...it is actually a bit like a cult now I think about it
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Hey guys I’ve been playing Okami. What did I miss one entire adminhood
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Hey guys I’ve been playing Okami. What did I miss Play Minecraft to cook some raw fish Because it smells really nasty Kill some mobs before you get on their plate so you don't get to feel the pain And then you craft and mine and dig to gain experience points ya And then you strike to get raw pork from pigs it has no end but it's still the best game It's the Eye of the spider it's poison in one bite oh look out, I'm an excellent fighter The creepers and the zombies other mobs of the night spiders give you some string and the eye of the spider Never eat the rotten flesh it makes you starve in the night Tame a wolf and train it to play fetch just don't hit it if you want to survive It's the Eye of the spider it's poison in one bite oh look out, I'm an excellent fighter The creepers and the zombies other mobs of the night spiders give you some string and the eye of the spider Don't fall into the void it's so odd when it comes to your days they're the last ones Israphel he's no evil game mod just the villain of the great Yogscast It's the Eye of the spider it's poison in one bite oh look out, I'm an excellent fighter The creepers and the zombies other mobs of the night spiders give you some string and the eye of the spider The eye of the spider The eye of the spider The eye of the spider The eye of the spider
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Herstory Begins Now posted:first description I saw of this said it was 'high investment' and that people were regulaly spending hours a day RPing on just this one thing, much of it with just one or two other people and yeah that's just an incredible amount of time to put into something. idk how people would even manage that without ending up extremely over-invested. It seems like a recipe for disaster. I don't say that to be judgemental or a dick or anything, just that seems like something that is going to be hard to handle for literally anyone. These kinds of games and spaces are ripe for drama and heartache for exactly those reasons, especially if you're someone who's prone to fixating on things. Like other posters have said, it can seriously consume your life and hurt your mental health.
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i have wanted a remaster of Riven for a while but im not sure about the direction the new writers seem to be taking it
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American McGay posted:Play Minecraft to cook some raw fish
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One or two posters seem to be confused so I think it's important to reiterate that all of this stuff appears to have taken place offsite. There's nothing in Podima's post history about it, as far as I know.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:43
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American McGay posted:Play Minecraft to cook some raw fish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7B-bafgD9Y&t=125s
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Leperflesh posted:One or two posters seem to be confused so I think it's important to reiterate that all of this stuff appears to have taken place offsite. There's nothing in Podima's post history about it, as far as I know. loving and? it was a TG recruited game and the other people involved were posters here.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Thanks for the explanation yall, sincerely. This is all foreign to me, as far as the RP. The consent and what people signed up for is what I can understand and is the crux of all of this. What!? 9000?!?!?
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Bottom Liner posted:loving and? it was a TG recruited game and the other people involved were posters here. And someone in this thread was saying the admins or jeffrey should have known about this. I am saying there's no way they could have known about this unless someone came forward with it, like happened today. Or if Podima had volunteered it. There's this idea that jeff needs to do background checks on potential admins. Maybe asking publicly "hey should this person be an admin" should happen, sure. But just looking at post history obviously doesn't turn up things that took place offsite.
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Mar 19, 2023 05:47
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I don't know what's more insane about this: the fact that a rape fantasy was made based on myst 2 of all things, or that some guy came kramering in seemingly angry at not getting credit for it
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Endorph posted:its not healthy but its easy for peoples brains to get tricked into unhealthy behaviors Yes and this kind of insane person basically called the shots on this website for 2 years which really puts things into perspective considering another one of them was made an admin
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Buck Wildman posted:I don't know what's more insane about this: the fact that a rape fantasy was made based on myst 2 of all things, or that some guy came kramering in seemingly angry at not getting credit for it Was more of a kool-aid-manning imo
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Did someone say high-stakes forums RP??? Brother check this poo poo out. Doesn't get any higher stakes than this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jyv6ql1jfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWeZ01TNjSI
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Thanks and good job bees for posting this. Its nice to have some sort of closure on this finally.
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This is obviously disturbing to find out. Maybe SA needs a way to deal with extreme offsite misbehavior on the part of the mod team, or perhaps even non-mods if it's extreme enough? Obviously, the SAD model of public shaming would work but the issue here is this accuser* clearly did not feel empowered to mention this when they were an IK and later a Mod. Now, is this because of an issue with previous Trad Games mods would not have listened? That sounds plausible, considering what I know of the TG moderation team as it was composed until recently. Also, I think in the distant past generally the site as a whole didn't want to import offsite drama** but this may show that may not be working. And yes, I think offsite behavior is perfectly germane to whether someone should be considered to be part of the community management here. *I do not use the word "accuser" to in any way minimize or doubt the claims. I have not read the accusations outside of what's here because I don't really think I've got that bandwith this second. I believe them, even though it shocks me. **I do not use the word "drama" to in any way minimize that this is serious. "Offsite drama" is just the neologism, which I am using specifically because it's a concept we hear about sometimes. This goes beyond "drama" in the typical internet sense, and is a serious harm.
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Leperflesh posted:There's this idea that jeff needs to do background checks on potential admins. Maybe asking publicly "hey should this person be an admin" should happen, sure. But just looking at post history obviously doesn't turn up things that took place offsite. nobody seriously thinks jeff needs to hire a private investigator, enough with the hyperbole. talking to the community at all would have prevented this.
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