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HopperUK posted:Yeah and if you're online enough to get sucked into this stuff, it's possible that it will become basically your only social outlet and these are your main friend group and disconnecting feels hard. ...it is actually a bit like a cult now I think about it Not to be rude but I don't think those people should be in charge of children, let alone adults.
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Leperflesh posted:And someone in this thread was saying the admins or jeffrey should have known about this. I am saying there's no way they could have known about this unless someone came forward with it, like happened today. Or if Podima had volunteered it. Leperflesh posted:And someone in this thread was saying the admins or jeffrey should have known about this. I am saying there's no way they could have known about this unless someone came forward with it, like happened today. Or if Podima had volunteered it. Gee loving whiz it’s almost like you should ask the community before making someone a mod or admin?? Stop acting like a helpless loving moron about these things. It’s been 20 years and you all continue down the same path of doing this every time and this is the only loving forum where there is a high percent chance a new mod or admin is a goddamn freak and it’s 100% on the admin and mod team for not soliciting feedback from the forums beforehand. Learn your goddamn lesson for once.
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I need to step away from this and have someone explain it to me later when the Sagas thread exists again I need boomer terminology for this one, like "I'm totally gobsmackered on this one, it's a doozy" there is no other way to describe it
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Leperflesh posted:And someone in this thread was saying the admins or jeffrey should have known about this. I am saying there's no way they could have known about this unless someone came forward with it, like happened today. Or if Podima had volunteered it. leperflesh i like you but literally all anyone is asking for is community input on this poo poo because yes you all should have known because you should have been involved with the community in this decision. jesus loving christ.
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:nobody seriously thinks jeff needs to hire a private investigator, enough with the hyperbole. talking to the community at all would have prevented this. if only podima had had cancer and tried to fund raise ont he forums, jeff wouldve been more thorough in his investigation.
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Staluigi posted:I need to step away from this and have someone explain it to me later when the Sagas thread exists again someone made a discord rp for riven 2 the sequel for myst and then inserted a bunch of weird sex stuff without running it by the players and then they and their friends were like 'wow you guys are kinda harshing the vibe' when people called it weird
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peramene posted:I want to be absolutely clear about this, because I see that this is already devolving into the same inane nonsense it devolved into last time Bees tried this on my discord server. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHneG5YSuxY
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Staluigi posted:I need to step away from this and have someone explain it to me later when the Sagas thread exists again I put on my robe and wizard hat. But non-consensually.
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Leperflesh posted:And someone in this thread was saying the admins or jeffrey should have known about this. I am saying there's no way they could have known about this unless someone came forward with it, like happened today. Or if Podima had volunteered it. Lady Radia posted:leperflesh i like you but literally all anyone is asking for is community input on this poo poo because yes you all should have known because you should have been involved with the community in this decision. jesus loving christ. Leperflesh posted:Maybe asking publicly "hey should this person be an admin" should happen, sure. I don't think the two of you are very far apart in this issue.
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Mar 19, 2023 06:06
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sweet geek swag posted:I don't think the two of you are very far apart in this issue.
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Lady Radia posted:im sorry im actually super pissed that after i sarcastically talked about how the admins were definitely gonna try to say "Well there was no way we could have known" leperflesh came in and said "Well there was no way we could have known". gently caress's sake. oh my god. Leperflesh isn't an admin tho he's posting as a poster.
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Lady Radia posted:leperflesh i like you but literally all anyone is asking for is community input on this poo poo because yes you all should have known because you should have been involved with the community in this decision. jesus loving christ. Yeah that's a reasonable suggestion. I don't know if it'd turn into like a popularity contest or election campaigns or something, but if it's what needs to be done so that things like this get reported in advance, maybe that's for the best. I heard they've been soliciting community input into mod selections over in one of the politics forums lately, sounds like that's working OK. Magnetic North posted:Now, is this because of an issue with previous Trad Games mods would not have listened? That sounds plausible, considering what I know of the TG moderation team as it was composed until recently. Also, I think in the distant past generally the site as a whole didn't want to import offsite drama** but this may show that may not be working. I am given to understand this stuff happened in (one game) 2018, and (the other) 2020/21. I was a mod of TG starting in late 2020. The previous mod had been missing from the site for months at that point. So there was certainly a gap around that time, which is unfortunate. And I barely knew what the gently caress I was doing at first, I don't think I know these posters in question well or at all, so I can understand if anyone didn't feel comfortable coming to me about it immediately. One of the reason the site needs a good list of admins though is so that if anyone feels uncomfortable talking to a moderator of their forum (or if there just isn't one), they have a list of admins they can go to and hopefully at least one or two they trust. I agree that while importing offsite drama into threads has been awful in the past and still probably needs to be restricted, discussing offsite stuff via PMs, with site staff should be on the table, especially when the behavior is egregious or harmful.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Leperflesh isn't an admin tho he's posting as a poster.
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That Little Demon posted:SOMEHOW HE WAS MADE AN ADMIN? It look 3 loving seconds to look at the post history and connect the dots here Perhaps I misunderstood this.
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Yeah, I can't speak for LF, but I presume he's feeling this from the same angle I am: someone who had no idea any of this was going on, besides a vague awareness that the Mafia people had invented some sort of new always-on competitive(?) RPG with insanely convoluted rules that seemed like a massive time sink for everyone involved, but seemed to also have a lot of community enthusiasm. I'm completely mortified by it, honestly -- as other people have already mentioned, games with that much commitment expected more or less always have some unhealthy stuff going on, so I really should have known -- but it's very hard to tell the difference between "this looks crazy but everyone's having fun so okay I guess?" and "this is actual bad craziness." It's a huge argument for public vetting of admins, and even of mods, because I would have liked to know about this before co-modding with Podima!
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Fluffdaddy posted:Leperflesh isn't an admin tho he's posting as a poster. ok what are your thoughts tho? i understand you are not Jeffrey and this puts you in a bad spot but like. come on lol. thank you for handling poo poo quickly too and all just! you know, you didn't HAVE to be reactive here!! i like Leperflesh but like, what mods do and dont see in the mod forum vs. what goes on behind the admin forum vs. what us plebs are allowed to see from y'all is a black box to me. Leperflesh posted:Yeah that's a reasonable suggestion. I don't know if it'd turn into like a popularity contest or election campaigns or something, but if it's what needs to be done so that things like this get reported in advance, maybe that's for the best. I heard they've been soliciting community input into mod selections over in one of the politics forums lately, sounds like that's working OK. if the thread becomes people saying "make woozy admin" or whatever then yeah that's nbd and you know you have 3 dece picks but if the thread instead becomes poo poo like this thread now you caught an issue BEFORE it happened. like there seems to be this concern CONSISTENTLY from admins that the community needs to be handled and maintained lest we Get Out of Control.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Leperflesh isn't an admin tho he's posting as a poster. Yes but it's not unconnected either. He's the mod of the subforum Podima was IK-ing and presumably has something to do with their modding. Quote from when they were modded. In the quote, they say that it was agreed upon by TG mods and admins, so presumably he had something to do with this elevation. Once elevated to mod, presumably Jeffrey took from the list of existing mods and the rest is history.
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It's milkshake admin, the adorable new admin who drinks milkshakes! Edit: we have terrible news about the admin
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Picking an admin should be like electing a new pope or subway spokesperson
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No reason to be super mad about all this, but it does show that the community should vet positions. If a mod if being made for a particular forum, ask the forum. If an admin is being made, ask SAD and make an announcement if you want. This is all fairly simple.
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Leperflesh posted:Perhaps I misunderstood this.
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I have been kinda absent during the admin hunt due to rl work so the people picked got a perfunctory yea that's cool from me. For me personally I was fine with mostly whomever because I am burned out and need help. All of us are. I have a few hard nos as far as people are concerned but that's the extent of what I've been able to put effort into All of what just hapoened frustrates me because we admins have worked hard to be active despite being stretched thin and this incident takes us backwards in our efforts.
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Fluffdaddy posted:I have been kinda absent during the admin hunt due to rl work so the people picked got a perfunctory yea that's cool from me. ty. i appreciate you posting this and im sorry you're burning out on poo poo. i hope you get the support you deserve.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:I was wondering whom you meant by "one or two posters" being confused. I didn't particularly want to call out one poster and be like "you're wronnnnng" and also I am not sure if responses to that post were about that one sentence or not. This whole episode, the roleplaying stuff, was revealed in a kind of mixed, confusing way, and I feel kind of protective of TG and I really don't want anyone to accidentally think that we would let games like that run here on the forums. TG needs to be a safe place for people to play games. That means its mods and IKs need to be 100% on what constitutes safe gaming and how to do it.
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peramene posted:I ran Riven. did you know that the sequel to riven is exile?
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Fluffdaddy posted:All of what just hapoened frustrates me because we admins have worked hard to be active despite being stretched thin and this incident takes us backwards in our efforts. Like I said earlier, I think your response to it was actually really good and I think most people appreciate that it was dealt with well and promptly.
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Jazerus posted:did you know that the sequel to riven is exile? he cant answer you he's permabanned
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Magnetic North posted:Now, is this because of an issue with previous Trad Games mods would not have listened? That sounds plausible, considering what I know of the TG moderation team as it was composed until recently. They wouldn't have listened because Podima was already an IK/mod or do you mean something else? Also to be clear with this note: renessia posted:It was aired and summarily ignored. Were the concerns aired the ones that were expressed to Podima or was this something that was taken outside that circle? I'm glad this all came out because Jesus Christ gently caress all this poo poo, but if this was all dismissed by other people before that needs to be taken care of, too.
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Peachfart posted:No reason to be super mad about all this, but it does show that the community should vet positions. If a mod if being made for a particular forum, ask the forum. If an admin is being made, ask SAD and make an announcement if you want. This really just seems obvious and necessary.
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Fluffdaddy posted:All of what just hapoened frustrates me because we admins have worked hard to be active despite being stretched thin and this incident takes us backwards in our efforts. I can't speak for anyone else but today felt like a net positive. Getting this poo poo out in the open is good. Handling it quickly was good. Jeff woke up. The other new admins seem fine. Sagas is reopening and Rhino's PowerPoint ruled. Multiple people who told us what happened in this thread have said they're happy they have closure. e: Nuns with Guns posted:if this was all dismissed by other people before that needs to be taken care of, too. This too though
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Fluffdaddy posted:
Just pull the ancient Rome card and nominate a horse to the administration. [The 'holding hand to the earpiece' bit] Oh uh, or ... OK if that already ... well,
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Staluigi posted:Just pull the ancient Rome card and nominate a horse to the administration. [The 'holding hand to the earpiece' bit] Oh uh, or ... OK if that already ... well, what other large mammals could we nominate, surely there are others
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