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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Tom Guycot posted:

Is there any rough sort of figure with artillery and what % of shots hit anything and cause injury?

I just keep coming back to all the talk of making Russia "waste their ammo" at bakhmut and such, but, I mean if they're firing artillery they're aiming at something right? And generally people seem to say they're firing off ~20,000 shells a day, sometimes they say up to 60,000 per day, who knows, but if they are firing 20,000 shells per day, and even 0.5% are hitting anything at all, thats 100 people wounded or killed every day just in the Bakmut area.

Is that an unreasonable assumption? Is artillery really just a wide and imprecise blanket and only maybe 0.01% or something ever makes any contact with anything? Is it higher? 1%? more? If its even more than 1% of them hitting anything, that is a sobering and frightening thought, thats hundreds of people, day after day, every day being ground up in all this.

I sincerely hope it is a very very very small % that makes any contact.

Hooo boy are you in for some charts

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Danann
Aug 4, 2013

30.5 Days posted:

whatever you say general van riper

Iranian Speedboats are pretty sick:
https://twitter.com/Pataramesh/status/1633794544159318016
https://twitter.com/Pataramesh/status/1633898534029148178

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007
At what point do people think they're going to realize they've been rooked about this? General question. Like a daily show segment on how awful it was but you know, what can you do?

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Tom Guycot posted:

Is there any rough sort of figure with artillery and what % of shots hit anything and cause injury?

I just keep coming back to all the talk of making Russia "waste their ammo" at bakhmut and such, but, I mean if they're firing artillery they're aiming at something right? And generally people seem to say they're firing off ~20,000 shells a day, sometimes they say up to 60,000 per day, who knows, but if they are firing 20,000 shells per day, and even 0.5% are hitting anything at all, thats 100 people wounded or killed every day just in the Bakmut area.

Is that an unreasonable assumption? Is artillery really just a wide and imprecise blanket and only maybe 0.01% or something ever makes any contact with anything? Is it higher? 1%? more? If its even more than 1% of them hitting anything, that is a sobering and frightening thought, thats hundreds of people, day after day, every day being ground up in all this.

I sincerely hope it is a very very very small % that makes any contact.

https://kyivindependent.com/national/battle-of-bakhmut-ukrainian-soldiers-worry-russians-begin-to-taste-victory

quote:

Valeriy, a Ukrainian infantryman, says that most of his fallen comrades were fatally wounded by projectile fragments.

"It's a pity that probably 90% of our losses are from artillery – or tanks and aviation," Valeriy told the Kyiv Independent a few hours after leaving the Bakhmut front. "And much less (casualties) from shooting battles."

Valeriy counted that "only a few" of the original 27 members of his platoon got out of the Bakhmut front with him, though he explained that most of them were wounded, not killed.

"The Russians have so many weapons, and there are so many of them," Valeriy said. "They are firing at us all the time. Sometimes, you hear an incoming (shell) every second."

Grognan
Jan 23, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Yes they are aiming at something, the enemy position is where it is and these industrially produced bits of sunshine are modifying the landscape and the people there in. We will not know poo poo for years unless a nationally significant organization plots it all down.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
seems like in real life they can just use regular surface to surface missiles, why would they need to make the millennium challenge real when the us still hasn't invented a stealth train aircraft carrier

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

30.5 Days posted:

whatever you say general van riper

If you can't catch the biker, no message to decrypt.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
The problem with aircraft carriers, and not really a topic for this thread, is all it takes is one brave diesel sub running on batteries and its gone by default. Not a high bar.

All those escorts and things aren't for show but still, that's all it takes.

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

DancingShade posted:

The problem with aircraft carriers, and not really a topic for this thread, is all it takes is one brave diesel sub running on batteries and its gone. Not a high bar.

All those escorts and things aren't for show but still, that's all it takes.

that was the whole idea of the millennium challenge as far as anyone can figure, wasn't it? to have some combination of superscience poo poo strapped to an aircraft carrier where it won't get sunk the moment it enters the Persian gulf?

but it turns out that as long as you know where it is and have enough explosives that's not really possible

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


HiroProtagonist posted:

At what point do people think they're going to realize they've been rooked about this? General question. Like a daily show segment on how awful it was but you know, what can you do?

There wasn't any self reflection over Libya and Syria, I'm surprised there's any reflection over Iraq. What will happen is that the news cycle moves onto Taiwan and Ukraine will settle into the ugly stalemate that its turning into now.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

DancingShade posted:

It turns out that merely wishing or slandering your opponent into little parody goblin creatures doesn't actually make that happen in real life.

These jabronis can't even get that right, Russians have been portrayed as orcs capable of taking trenches armed with only shovels.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
putin was at Mariupol and visited the philharmonic building

https://twitter.com/azgeopolitics/status/1637345665415012353?s=46&t=kY7HKwmb1RBg9U186lxtbg

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
how well was NOLA rebuilt after Katrina?

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Tankbuster posted:

how well was NOLA rebuilt after Katrina?

the rich and touristy areas were fixed up but all the poor people housing was demolished and poor people weren't allowed to com eback

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/150828-data-points-how-hurricane-katrina-changed-new-orleans

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

BadOptics posted:

Oh yeah. I think Halder (?) was basically given a job by the US Army to write about his experiences and let's just say he wasn't accurate.

Edit: Yup!

Liberals will never learn that nazis lie.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Orange Devil posted:

Liberals will never learn that nazis lie.

They just want to be lied to.

--------

Also as far as casualties go as well, remember it isn't just Bakhmut that is a meat grinder but there is firing going on across the entire line including across the river into Kherson. Most of the casualties per day are probably just some random dude getting hit with a mortar outside of a town you haven't heard of. Bakhmut is just the worst of it.

It is why I think the Russian strategy is as it has been just to shell and move up to take more strategic portions of the line to force the Ukrainians to devote more forces to specifically weak sectors to shell them even more. The problem is we only can get bits and pieces of news about what is occurring, but yeah I don't think the Russians have a deadline. It very well may be when the mud dries that you just seem more aggressive local movement here and there than a dramatic second invasion.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 12:54 on Mar 19, 2023

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

what does range mean for a ballistic missile, parabolic or as the crow flies?

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

i say swears online posted:

what does range mean for a ballistic missile, parabolic or as the crow flies?

https://www.mpoweruk.com/ballistics.htm

I believe ground distance.

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

how is Bakhmut still getting supplied?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

CODChimera posted:

how is Bakhmut still getting supplied?

one road left, getting shelled to hell

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Tankbuster posted:

how well was NOLA rebuilt after Katrina?

i live in NOLA. Chalmette etc in the east got wiped out and is now "the ghetto" where all the poor people got sent. Driving through NOLA many areas did get repaired and are fully livable but theres still just some random areas here and there that got hosed up and left condemned.

Anyways a lot of new Orleans is also under some weirdly permanent form of construction thats unrelated to the hurricane, e.g. they'll rip up all the roads in an entire neighborhood to repair the sewers, but the sewer work isnt scheduled so the roads are left ripped up for one or two full years. And you have to park like a half mile from your house. Literally feels less developed in some parts than my aunt's neighborhood in Jakarta lmao.

Its a shame that the city has a real vibe and decent universities nearby but is so mismanaged. Theres cool things people dont know about NOLA such as the large Southeast Asian, particularly vietnamese, population here that makes it a bit of a melting pot. I've had the best pho I've ever had from some mom and pop place in one of those destroyed streets, and got an Indonesian restaurant (really rare in the US).

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Tom Guycot posted:

Is there any rough sort of figure with artillery and what % of shots hit anything and cause injury?

I just keep coming back to all the talk of making Russia "waste their ammo" at bakhmut and such, but, I mean if they're firing artillery they're aiming at something right? And generally people seem to say they're firing off ~20,000 shells a day, sometimes they say up to 60,000 per day, who knows, but if they are firing 20,000 shells per day, and even 0.5% are hitting anything at all, thats 100 people wounded or killed every day just in the Bakmut area.

Is that an unreasonable assumption? Is artillery really just a wide and imprecise blanket and only maybe 0.01% or something ever makes any contact with anything? Is it higher? 1%? more? If its even more than 1% of them hitting anything, that is a sobering and frightening thought, thats hundreds of people, day after day, every day being ground up in all this.

I sincerely hope it is a very very very small % that makes any contact.



Slavvy posted:

Hooo boy are you in for some charts

lol it's Sunday morning, I'm not up to it.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Xaris posted:

the rich and touristy areas were fixed up but all the poor people housing was demolished and poor people weren't allowed to com eback

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/150828-data-points-how-hurricane-katrina-changed-new-orleans

I forgot that they got rid of public schools. :911:

ughhhh
Oct 17, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

I forgot that they got rid of public schools. :911:

I remember some NOLA goons yelling at LF for thinking that charter schools were a bad idea during the reconstruction.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




Wagners human wave tactics suck if they are sending so many orks to die in pushes when so many of Ukraines casulties are caused by overwhelming weapons/material advantage ...unless

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Not So Fast posted:

There wasn't any self reflection over Libya and Syria, I'm surprised there's any reflection over Iraq. What will happen is that the news cycle moves onto Taiwan and Ukraine will settle into the ugly stalemate that its turning into now.

You're probably right but it would be insane if sometime soon just everyone on tv suddenly stopped talking about Ukraine

I fully expect that to happen though and it will be incredible to see in real time

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

HiroProtagonist posted:

You're probably right but it would be insane if sometime soon just everyone on tv suddenly stopped talking about Ukraine

I fully expect that to happen though and it will be incredible to see in real time

It already happened for a time during the latest Taiwan crisis, dudes literally changed their Twitter flags.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

HiroProtagonist posted:

You're probably right but it would be insane if sometime soon just everyone on tv suddenly stopped talking about Ukraine

I fully expect that to happen though and it will be incredible to see in real time

it seems to be barely mentioned on local news anymore.
even good morning america doesnt lead with it and the segments are getting much shorter now.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

SplitSoul posted:

Ukraine is getting some MIG-29s. How much more room is left for escalation at this rate?

I guess some volunteer American pilots could go fight for Ukraine.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1637411973372452865

https://qnet.e-quantum2k.com/~ibs/Custom/CONSTE/RETAIL/cgi-bin/qnet-your-catalog2.cgi

american PMCs have such lame merch

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
blech

speng31b
May 8, 2010

wow that's loving disgusting

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

And we'll see even more of it if Wagner are the only ones that have success on the battlefield.

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
backgammon set

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Wagner work and travel program?

tazjin
Jul 24, 2015


I still wonder what Wagner need their ridiculously huge new building in SPB for

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Komandirovka to the area of the special military operation.

izagoof
Feb 14, 2004

Grimey Drawer

fits my needs posted:

backgammon set



was going to make a joke about the lick but then realized that’s probably supposed to be beethovens fifth

SchrodingersCat
Aug 23, 2011
I gotta admit, I kind of want that backgammon set.

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Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

fits my needs posted:

it seems to be barely mentioned on local news anymore.
even good morning america doesnt lead with it and the segments are getting much shorter now.

Yeah, it's just the weirdest thing to me - the astonishing disjoint between the apocalyptic language that our leaders use to talk about Ukraine vs the completely casual material response, with no attempt at all to mobilise Western nations for a Ukrainian victory. No ramping up of key industries, no conscription, no, I dunno, War bonds... just nothing.

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