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tiaz posted:this guess is my favorite. "but causing a giant methane release to do some stock or commodity price shenanigans is hysterically evil - IIRC the amount of methane released was negligible in the larger scheme of things, and many people made a way bigger deal out of it than it actually was.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:31
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was the united state's invasion of Iraq illegal in the same way that Russia's invasion of the Ukraine is?
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Mar 20, 2023 00:37
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^^^^ tiaz posted:seriously. it was also right around the time they were crowing about how winter would decimate the EU's morale - maybe they thought making the pipelines unrecoverable would twist the knife as Europeans sobbed apologies to Mother Russia at their thermostats? Plus, if they get caught, they lose nothing. We've already sanctioned everything possible but EN/NATO made it clear there's absolutely no appetite for a direct confrontation. Putin could fly over Germany and poo poo on Scholtz's head, and we'd find a way to avoid doing anything to avoid ~escalation~. This is in contrast to Ukraine/US doing it, where there's enormous potential for blowback. Not saying they did it, there's no public evidence either way, but I wouldn't dismiss it. Check out this (and previous) video by Anders Puck Nielsen on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeP_ZZbBIl4 mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Mar 20, 2023 |
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Mar 20, 2023 00:39
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BrownPepper posted:was the united state's invasion of Iraq illegal in the same way that Russia's invasion of the Ukraine is? I don't recall any accusations of genocidal practices such as kidnapping children, so it was probably illegal in a different way.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:40
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Randarkman posted:IIRC the amount of methane released was negligible in the larger scheme of things, and many people made a way bigger deal out of it than it actually was. huh! thanks, I hadn't heard that. I get misdirected about industrial processes like that. sometimes I think about the sheer volume of paint required to paint all the road markings even once and am a bit agog mobby_6kl posted:There are decent reasons for russia to have done it. This got them out of having to deliver gas, demonstrates to Europe that they're able and willing to blow up out infrastructure, scares us with freezing, and, if it was done by hardliners, almost literally burns the bridges to normalizing relations. thanks for this, I'll check these out. I had completely forgotten about the contractual side of things.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:43
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Horrorosaurus posted:Hunter Biden practicing inhaling and holding his breath all those years,u think it was for fun? Diving, pipes, dad being the president of the United States.... Hunter Biden doesn't destroy pipe. He lays pipe. 
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Mar 20, 2023 00:45
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BrownPepper posted:was the united state's invasion of Iraq illegal in the same way that Russia's invasion of the Ukraine is? To save you the trouble of asking it again in some form, I would say 99% of this thread thinks the Iraq invasion was illegal and just flat out wrong and based on bullshit lies to go bomb some brown people. Here's another morsal, 99% of this thread thinks that US/Western policy sucks in general.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:46
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BrownPepper posted:was the united state's invasion of Iraq illegal in the same way that Russia's invasion of the Ukraine is? I don't recall the US claiming Iraq as its own territory and annexing it as a 51st state, or declaring that all Iraqis should die or stealing Iraqi children to be raised in America. The US invasion of Iraq was dumb and illegal and shouldn't have happened for a lot of reasons, but it was a distinctly lower tier of evil than what Russia is doing in Ukraine.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:51
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I think peace is good. We should do more of that. We should all go less to foreign countries and bomb the ever living poo poo out of them. That's a bloody brilliant idea, and the reason nobody thought of this before me, is that I am very smart; significantly smarter than you people, so it is good that I bring this up to point this out, to you lesser people who are less clever and compassionate than I.
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Mar 20, 2023 00:53
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Tai posted:
glad to hear that- is there a thread where that stuff gets discussed? i'd be interested to check it out
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Mar 20, 2023 01:01
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BrownPepper posted:glad to hear that- is there a thread where that stuff gets discussed? i'd be interested to check it out Pretty much any other geopolitical thread in D&D. You’re a ‘just asking questions  “ type of guy, aren’t you? Two things can be wrong at the same time, wild I know!
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Mar 20, 2023 01:05
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There sure is, go through GBS, CSPAM or DnD. In each thread title, it has something to note what it is about UK chat, UKMT, USCE, Irish Poltics. I think you get the picture.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:06
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Here's a thread that's specifically about how poo poo the Iraq war could get: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3978779
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Mar 20, 2023 01:07
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Deteriorata posted:I don't recall the US claiming Iraq as its own territory and annexing it as a 51st state, or declaring that all Iraqis should die or stealing Iraqi children to be raised in America. Yeah, lower tier of evil. What.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:08
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HonorableTB posted:If you want a realpolitik answer then obviously the party with the most to gain would be Ukraine by removing the Nordstream as a bargaining chip for Russia to leverage against the EU. The sabotage didn't do that though. One of the two lines of NS2 is untouched and according to Gazprom still fully operational. There are also all the various land pipelines that are still operational. The only way this makes sense is if Ukraine/US/UK hosed up the mission(in which case the explosives might be recoverable and can be used as evidence). It also makes sense if Russia did it. With half of NS2 intact, the sabotage didn't really diminish their ability to blackmail Europe. The attack led to a massive price spike on the gas spot market which benefited them and it also had substantial propaganda value internally and externally. Also, it is a clear message to any potential opposition that getting rid of Putin and signing a peace agreement will not mean a return to business as usual. The oligarchs are not getting their gas cash cow back if they betray him.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:28
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Suspect A posted:Yeah, lower tier of evil. What. We can absolutely rank things like "did they go in intending to eradicate the culture of the invaded country" and "to what degree did they deliberately target civilians". Being invaded by the US is way worse than the image they present, but Russia seems to go out of their way to be worse. Flattening this to "they're both guilty so they're both exactly as evil" seems counterproductive.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:29
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I think all the major nations showed up to sabotage it at the same time
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Mar 20, 2023 01:30
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I blew up the pipeline.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:31
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Suspect A posted:Yeah, lower tier of evil. What. They’re not the same, either in stated goals, prosecution of said goals, or results - what don’t you understand? I’m sure you could be educated, or are you hung up on some clumsy framing? Thread summoned nerds by invoking Seymour Hersh I guess
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Mar 20, 2023 01:31
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Suspect A posted:Yeah, lower tier of evil. What. Explain to me the difference between a venial and mortal sin. Then explain to me the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony. Then try again at posting.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:32
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Computer viking posted:We can absolutely rank things like "did they go in intending to eradicate the culture of the invaded country" and "to what degree did they deliberately target civilians". nice, what are the current rankings?
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Mar 20, 2023 01:33
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Why does everything have to be binary...
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Mar 20, 2023 01:35
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EorayMel posted:I blew up the pipeline. My dad once accused me of blowing up a pipeline, but was actually a maple tree that got it's roots into the pipe and NOT my level of toilet paper usage. What I'm saying is, do we know for sure there's not maple trees near Nordstream?
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Mar 20, 2023 01:35
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EorayMel posted:I blew up the pipeline. No, I blew up the pipeline!
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Mar 20, 2023 01:35
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BrownPepper posted:nice, what are the current rankings? You don’t actually care, so why are you asking? Do you think any analysis is bad analysis?
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Mar 20, 2023 01:36
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BrownPepper posted:nice, what are the current rankings? Knock it off
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Mar 20, 2023 01:38
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BrownPepper posted:nice, what are the current rankings? You're the worst
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Mar 20, 2023 01:38
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Tiny Timbs posted:I think all the major nations showed up to sabotage it at the same time Gotta be Namor. Only question is if he had backing from Latveria.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:40
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Karate Bastard posted:What I'm finding myself asking time and time again is could putler flush his toilet hard enough to split the nord stream in two? It seems unlikely, yet I find myself unable to fully dismiss the idea. Yeah if it blew from the inside the pig has Putin all over it.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:40
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I hear that the order to blow the pipeline came from Putin himself. He was disappointed when Gazprom told him they couldn't do it when he asked them to "turn it from blow to suck and get the stables connected at the other end".
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Mar 20, 2023 01:41
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Yeah if it blew from the inside the pig has Putin all over it. Pigs are more David Cameron's thing, though. Did David Cameron blow up the pipeline?
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Mar 20, 2023 01:43
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Tai posted:To save you the trouble of asking it again in some form, I would say 99% of this thread thinks the Iraq invasion was illegal and just flat out wrong and based on bullshit lies to go bomb some brown people. this
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Mar 20, 2023 01:43
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maybe we can learn something about the pipeline sabotage from the attempted sabotage of this threadTurrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Yeah if it blew from the inside the pig has Putin all over it. alas I fear the (Intelligent) Pipeline Inspection Gauge will be found to merely have borne one of his body doubles e: or clones???
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Mar 20, 2023 01:44
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Deteriorata posted:I don't recall the US claiming Iraq as its own territory and annexing it as a 51st state, or declaring that all Iraqis should die or stealing Iraqi children to be raised in America. Seems like a uh, fairly high tier of evil.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:47
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Tiny Timbs posted:I think all the major nations showed up to sabotage it at the same time EorayMel posted:I blew up the pipeline. Ikasuhito posted:No, I blew up the pipeline! That's why the investigation is so tricky, there were thirty different teams planting bombs at the same time.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:48
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tiaz posted:alas I fear the (Intelligent) Pipeline Inspection Gauge will be found to merely have borne one of his body doubles Body loaded on the pig by David Cameron to satisfy both sides of this thread. QED
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Mar 20, 2023 01:53
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Finnish roman descendents bombed the pipeline to accelerate the fall of the false Rome and bring about the new Roman Finnish Republic. The Knights Templar also helped destroy the pipeline to accelerate the 9th crusade
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Mar 20, 2023 01:54
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Turrurrurrurrrrrrr posted:Body loaded on the pig by David Cameron to satisfy both sides of this thread. QED This was revenge for the failed mission last summer where the SAS squad and the Boris Johnson lookalike who reportedly attacked the ZNPP using a barge and zipline cables all got wiped out, then got up again after the cameras stopped rolling
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Mar 20, 2023 01:55
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so many pipelines, so little time.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:56
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Slugworth posted:"The IBC project has recorded a range of at least 185,194 – 208,167 total violent civilian deaths through June 2020 in their database" Sure does! Not sure how that a uh, invalidates what they a uh, said
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