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EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
you haven't lived until you've swum buck naked through an ocean, being one with nature, turgid penis swinging with the freedom with which you were born, sneaking up on that pipeline and exploding its dumb loving hull before darting off into the coral reef to avoid the coast guards

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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Victis posted:

Sure does! Not sure how that a uh, invalidates what they a uh, said
An unjustified invasion of a country that results in the deaths of a quarter of a million civilians seems like the highest tier of evil.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Yes I'm certain the people of Ukraine are very concerned about the US invasion of Iraq

Tai
Mar 8, 2006

Slugworth posted:

An unjustified invasion of a country that results in the deaths of a quarter of a million civilians seems like the highest tier of evil.

Couldn't agree more

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Slugworth posted:

Seems like a uh, fairly high tier of evil.

No one is arguing with you that it wasn't. I regret to inform you two different things with very different aims can be very bad at the same time.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

I think we should send a T-800 terminator unit back in time to stop the invasion of Ukraine

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Toxic Mental posted:

I think we should send a T-800 terminator unit back in time to stop the invasion of Ukraine

you fool. this intolerable escalation will force russia to invade

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

No one is arguing with you that it wasn't. I regret to inform you two different things with very different aims can be very bad at the same time.
....... I was responding to a guy who was arguing that the us invasion of Iraq was less evil than the Russian invasion. Like, do you have him on ignore or something that prevented you from reading what I was responding to?

TK-42-1
Oct 30, 2013

looks like we have a bad transmitter



Can we not chomp the obvious idiot bait and just ignore the concern trolls?

de_dust
Jan 21, 2009

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Slugworth posted:

An unjustified invasion of a country that results in the deaths of a quarter of a million civilians seems like the highest tier of evil.

No poo poo?

SA really broke a lot of people’s brains throughout the years. Maybe it was the constant sarcasm/cynicism or edgy in jokes. But it seems you’re incapable of accepting two things can be bad at the same time.

Invading Iraq = bad
Invading Ukraine = bad

KazigluBey
Oct 30, 2011

boner

Slugworth posted:

....... I was responding to a guy who was arguing that the us invasion of Iraq was less evil than the Russian invasion.

I mean, is it worth it to waste your time responding to a post like that? Both things are bad and trying to determine which is "worse" or "more evil" based on a duel between casualties and broader impact seems... Idk, cringe?

"More people died in X (concluded) war, but in Y (ongoing) war the goals are more insidious." seems like really tiresome, pointless poo poo to me.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

de_dust posted:

No poo poo?

SA really broke a lot of people’s brains throughout the years. Maybe it was the constant sarcasm/cynicism or edgy in jokes. But it seems you’re incapable of accepting two things can be bad at the same time.

Invading Iraq = bad
Invading Ukraine = bad

Buddy theirs only one bad thing in this world, and it's the united states.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

I think we should talk more about the War in Ukraine, possibly by posting maps? Who wants to start

edit: Here I'll start

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1637530062282014721?s=20

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1637485753885159427?s=20

Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Mar 20, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016
I like how everyone forgets that Igor Strelkov, Aleksandr Borodai, and all those other little green men apparently had nothing whatsoever to do with kicking the existing tensions in the Donbass region into high gear and then summoning the Russian regular army for help after it became clear they wouldn't be able to hold the territory they'd seized. In fact summoning help and shooting down MH370 is what disgraced Strelkov in the eyes of the FSB/GRU so they ordered him back to Moscow and then forced him to retire. He was in such disgrace after he returned at one point he had to sell the commemorative medal he was given by Putler in an auction to make ends meet. That was before he became a pundit on Telegram and VK and subsequently made his living that way. A recent intercept that was published purportedly of a high ranking local collaborator bemoaned the difficulty of starting any 'revolutions' in the Donbass because the locals weren't interested in the numbers they needed to form a proper separatist movement, because they more or less were satisfied with their own lives. The same collaborator blamed everyone and everything he could think of for the current ongoing debacle happening on the front as well, except Russia's own incompetence and lack of military power.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

KazigluBey posted:

I mean, is it worth it to waste your time responding to a post like that? Both things are bad and trying to determine which is "worse" or "more evil" based on a duel between casualties and broader impact seems... Idk, cringe?

"More people died in X (concluded) war, but in Y (ongoing) war the goals are more insidious." seems like really tiresome, pointless poo poo to me.
I agree, which is why I called him out on his dumb post. And then a bunch of people terminally incapable of following a thread decided I'm a Russia defender.

Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Slugworth posted:

I agree, which is why I called him out on his dumb post. And then a bunch of people terminally incapable of following a thread decided I'm a Russia defender.

is "tiresome" a synonym for "Russia Defender" in your part of the world or

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

is "tiresome" a synonym for "Russia Defender" in your part of the world or
I truly believe you're arguing against a poster you've made up in your head, but go get 'em!

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
In exchange for arresting Putin, the ICC should also arrest both GWB and Obama just to balance things out. Can't get fairer than that.

EorayMel
May 30, 2015

WE GET IT. YOU LOVE GUN JESUS. Toujours des fusils Bullpup Français.
The only arrest that will be made against Putin will be cardiac arrest when they force him to sit at a small table

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

EorayMel posted:

The only arrest that will be made against Putin will be cardiac arrest when they force him to sit at a small table

He did that recently with Kadyrov. Between the two of them shaking it's a wonder the table wasn't visibly, and audibly, vibrating.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

Neddy Seagoon posted:

He did that recently with Kadyrov. Between the two of them shaking it's a wonder the table wasn't visibly, and audibly, vibrating.

I mean it seemed like a solid enough table that it probably wouldn't matter unless they were vibrating as fast as the Energizer Bunny.

Victis
Mar 26, 2008

Slugworth posted:

I truly believe you're arguing against a poster you've made up in your head, but go get 'em!

He's saying people think you're tiresome rather than a "Russian defender" (which no one insinuated), but go get 'em

Victis fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Mar 20, 2023

zone
Dec 6, 2016
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1637636695653855234
ISW report landed. Ukraine performed a successful local counterattack and relieved pressure off the main supply route leading to Bakhmut. Russian analysts are increasingly worried about the likelihood of a full counteroffensive in the area that the existing forces there will be ill-prepared to fight off, due to a lack of pretty much everything.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I had a thought. Has Russia pulled their two seater Sukhoi SU-34 planes from Ukraine operations in order to maintain their strategic toilet reserve? Those are the planes with shitters built into them right? That equipment is too valuable to lose.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006
Interestingly, Prigozhin seems to have been hacked. He seems to be conducting tax evasion and LOL, ordering Wagner candidates to undergo polygraphs to ascertain war enthusiasm and whether or not recruits have ties to the FSB. The last bit is especially interesting to me.

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1637449382894219264?s=20

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1637456485910212608?s=20

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1637459442340974592?s=20

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1637464532716072962?s=20

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1637466153789403139?s=20

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1637526569706045440?s=20

Dossier Center is a reputable OSINT/opposition watchdog source, if they are reporting this then it's more than likely true.

More about them:

https://khodorkovsky.com/dossier-center/

Dossier Center posted:

The Dossier Center tracks the criminal activity of various people associated with the Kremlin. Currently, power in Russia is held by a de facto criminal organization that operates from within Kremlin. This criminal organization consists of a complex web of individuals, ranging from high-ranking politicians to regional police chiefs.

The Dossier Center maps out this network, compiling extensive case files against corrupt individuals and the institutions they may control. These reports will enable future Russian courts, as well as non-Russian enforcement agencies, to open criminal cases against corrupt criminals in and associated with the Kremlin.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Mar 20, 2023

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
sigh

I just dont know how a bunch of countries can keep a secret on how a pip went caboom.

anyway the new perun video was nice.

Chimp_On_Stilts
Aug 31, 2004
Holy Hell.

HonorableTB posted:

Interestingly, Prigozhin seems to have been hacked.

Is there an English language writeup?


Also, the pipeline was obviously bombed by AVALANCHE. Bombing industrial sites is basically their calling card, and I think I saw a report that a huge man with a gun for an arm was caught on CCTV leaving the scene.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

Is there an English language writeup?


Also, the pipeline was obviously bombed by AVALANCHE. Bombing industrial sites is basically their calling card, and I think I saw a report that a huge man with a gun for an arm was caught on CCTV leaving the scene.

I will translate, stand by

E: okay this article is really long, here is the opening bits and if it is interesting enough to you, use your browser translator or DeepL because I don't want to post a million paragraph article in here for ppl to scroll thru

Dossier-Central posted:

In early autumn 2022, unknown hackers gained access to more than 1 million documents of Yevgeny Prigozhin's structures . For several months, the group maintained access to the network, pumping out all the fun from there. Some of the files from the #Wagnerleaks archives were at the disposal of journalists from Die Welt, the Dossier Center, Insider, Paris Match and Arte.

For five years now, the Dossier Center has been investigating the murder of three journalists in the Central African Republic who were trying to make a documentary about the Wagner PMC. We managed to study the internal structure of Prigozhin’s business empire, including the so-called “Troll Factory” (Lakhta project), the Concord group of companies, the so-called Wagner PMC and other business activities of the Kremlin chef: school meals, construction, hotel business, chocolate trading, media business, mining of gold, diamonds, oil and other minerals, international political consulting, a meat processing plant in the African jungle, a car wash - and more.

Numerous publications in the media usually focus on one aspect of his multifaceted activities, although in reality they are all organically linked: wounded Wagner soldiers recover at a recreation center in Gelendzhik, Defense Ministry officials receive discount cards in the Eliseevsky store, Lakhta "trolls "meet in a building built by Prigozhin's companies and promote the services of PMCs from there to an international audience. Today, lawyers and financiers are considering concession agreements in St. Petersburg, and tomorrow - in Antananarivo or Bangui. The same thing happens with elections: the same political technologists work out orders in St. Petersburg, Moscow, Tula, Kyiv, Tripoli, Maputo and Cape Town. Employees are regularly transferred from project to project: those who yesterday chose furniture for Prigozhin’s daughter’s apartment,

It is precisely because of this flexible structure that sanctions against Prigozhin's projects do not work well. But with all the external independence and inconsistency in the actions of individual parts, Prigozhin's mycelium is united by centralized information systems - today we will talk about some of them.


Some other bits:

quote:

Many employees of the Troll Factory come to St. Petersburg from other cities or countries. This is due to the long-term negative image of Prigozhin in the urban labor market.

All potential employees, even if they work in restaurants, are subject to a mandatory two-hour interrogation on the Diana-07 polygraph . Its goal is to identify potentially disloyal or dangerous characters for Prigozhin. Opposition supporters, people with contacts in the media and law enforcement agencies, drug users and debtors are weeded out.

quote:

After the start of the war, another question was added to the standard set - about the attitude towards the "military operation".

If the test subject has feelings about the war or Ukrainian relatives, he is rejected by the security service, even despite the approval of potential superiors.

Almost half of the IT people work underhand, without a work book, and officially registered employees often receive 40–60% of their salary in envelopes, follows from accounting documents. Between themselves, Prigozhin's employees discuss that in addition to the white salary in other companies, "there is something that we do not have and will not have": a flexible start of the working day, medical insurance, bonuses. Former employees also complain about the "climate in the team" - in particular, mutual intrigues. Uncompetitive working conditions may explain the low level of education among IT specialists of Prigozhin's structures. Qualified specialists can hardly withstand Prigozhin's spontaneous micromanagement and rudeness - many had moved to "unfriendly" countries even before the start of the war.

Perhaps in the coming months, Prigozhin will be able to recruit new, better employees in the IT departments. Wagner's aggressive PR campaign after the start of the war helped improve the Company's image in the eyes of the younger generation of IT students in St. Petersburg. For example, at the end of December 2022, Prigozhin held a Wagner PMC hackathon, in which talented programmers took part. Despite the criticism in social networks and the media, many of them saw nothing wrong with this. The hackathon was dedicated to drone programming and was used for recruiting — Concord structures have been actively looking for such specialists since the fall of 2021, according to internal documents. Probably, the recruitment was not only for the war in Ukraine, but also for other projects. For example, employees of Wagner PMC have been using drones and quadrocopters in Syria and the Central African Republic for several years, even negligently burned one of their expensive reconnaissance drones of the Orlan model.

quote:

What does the Troll Factory do?
An analysis of the activity of "trolls" in social networks shows that they work most actively where you can use other people's content without restrictions and buy ads using gray schemes.

Here are some examples of rather undemanding projects of the "factory" in VK.com: news projects - "Shark", "Daring Square", "How do you like it, Elon Musk", "Strip", "Trashach", "Minning", "Dirt Warehouse ”, “The Art of War”, “Truth Serum”, “Curb City”, “VideoPiter”, in St. Petersburg - “Meme Horseman”, animated projects “Eagle (CheBe)” and “Spot”.

The budget also includes payment for publications and access to community administration in the VK "Arms of Russia" , for creating content for the project " Brezhnev's Eyebrows ".

In the documents of the "factory" there are mentions of payment for publications, retweets and likes from independent thousands of bloggers on political topics on Twitter. For example, here:

Radio Stydoba ;
Alexander Dedurenko ;
Leonid Degtyarev ;
Mitrofan Belov ;
Philip Maslovsky;
Drunk Twitter ;
Literature ;
https://twitter.com/vezhlivo;
TVJihad ;
News. As is .
A separate line is payment for the services of a content manager for the projects " Actual Russia " and "Actual World" .

In Telegram, the “trolls” paid for publications from third-party Telegram channels, such as Media Technologist, “Somehow Like This” and “338”, paid for reposts in the “Karaulny” channel, bought places in collections and ratings, and purchased services to cheat subscribers .

According to former employees, about 400 employees now work at the “factory”, of which more than 30 are engaged only in writing comments on media sites, and about 30 more people write comments on YouTube. Since 2019, about 40 employees have been sent to comment on publications in the Ukrainian media as well. The estimated budget for the "factory" in 2022 was 70-100 million rubles per month, excluding "special tasks".

:siren: RYBAR IS FUNDED BY PRIGOZHIN :siren:

quote:

Another well-known military observer - Rybar, aka Mikhail Zvinchuk , - a couple of years ago, he came to work in the office of the Troll Factory and actively promoted his channel at her expense. In one of the documents of that time, Zvinchuk was listed as the head of the “international direction”, where, in addition to him, 49 other people were involved and received payments, including journalist Abbas Juma and military observer Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) .

Employees of the “international direction” of the “factory” wrote analytical materials for the FAN and promoted the theses of the “trolls” through their Telegram channels:

"Wings of War";
"Lu Man: Looking East";
"Brussels snitch";
"India Today";
"American number";
"Center for Human Rights Violations";
"The Fifth Republic";
"South wind";
"Beekeeper";
"Tales from the Favelas" and others.


:siren: Prigozhin also worked closely with Dugina, Alexander Dugin's daughter :siren:

quote:

Of the famous people in the archive, you can find the deceased Daria Dugin. She joined the Patriot media group in 2018 or 2019 and worked there until the murder. Dugina was responsible for the foreign direction, including organizing Prigozhin's publications and comments in the Turkish media. In particular, according to the source, she organized a big interview with the Aydınlık newspaper and a photo of Prigozhin on the front page.

HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Mar 20, 2023

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1637490209154580481?t=UJNNdzR4Zt3eaQG_u8TaYw&s=19
Russians using drone dropped EPIRBs for targeting.

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Given the state of GLONASS and the very likely dilapidation of their spysat fleets, this is rather clever by RuAF standards

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

TK-42-1 posted:

Can we not chomp the obvious idiot bait and just ignore the concern trolls?

:hmmyes:

It seems Russian drones are dropping civilian rescue beacons to mark locations. Its possible there's a foreign supply chain that can be cut off.

https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1637490209154580481

Edit: beaten

Pekinduck fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Mar 20, 2023

Tafferling
Oct 22, 2008

DOOT DOOT
ALL ABOARD THE ISS POLOKONZERVA

Slugworth posted:

....... I was responding to a guy who was arguing that the us invasion of Iraq was less evil than the Russian invasion. Like, do you have him on ignore or something that prevented you from reading what I was responding to?

Well, now I have you on ignore, so, this was productive!

In other news, there is an eminently silly Xi interview popping up
"We are convinced that a rational way out of the Ukrainian crisis and the path to lasting peace and universal security in the world will be found if everyone is guided by the concept of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and continued dialogue and consultation in an equitable, prudent and pragmatic manner,"
Yeah, good one Xi

"Also, I hope that everyone will be guided by the concept of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and continued dialogue and consultation in an equitable, prudent and pragmatic manner for the question of Yongmingcheng, you know, for Russia's sake.";)


Found the english link, I only found it in Italian before.
https://tass.com/world/1591107

Tafferling fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Mar 20, 2023

Karma Comedian
Feb 2, 2012

HonorableTB posted:

Given the state of GLONASS and the very likely dilapidation of their spysat fleets, this is rather clever by RuAF standards

I thought it was pretty clever.

UAV found in Russia, SE of Moscow a good ways:
https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1637492004039929858?t=l3jcQBdvVf10T55EGgFzCA&s=19
"Are we the baddies?"
https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1637411973372452865?t=Y_uXQmxGxqdhKD8KIgXbdg&s=19

Karma Comedian fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Mar 20, 2023

tiaz
Jul 1, 2004

PICK UP THAT PRESENT.


Zelensky's Zealots

Karma Comedian posted:

I thought it was pretty clever.

Technically ... I'm settling into my role as OSHA Sardaukar so I look at this and think "yeah, it's a beacon nobody wants to jam, but you have also made things worse for Literally Everyone and further eroded your international standing". It's much like doing combat while pretending to surrender - we all said "hey, 121.5 MHz (or whatever) is the Emergency Frequency and this is the only thing it's used for" and Russia went "Ha ha! You fools!" and twirled its mustache and killed, like, a platoon before nobody got to take the emergency frequency seriously anymore.

I'm sure it's illegal in a bunch of ways but that hasn't stopped them killing civilians either. It's just a new barrel we're finding the bottom of.

Drone_Fragger
May 9, 2007


Russia has shown time and time again they do not give a poo poo about perfidy at even top or low levels.

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


I wonder if anyone could be legally guilty of discrediting the army here, the kid with the sign or the passersby hugging him. Anyway, it's heartwarming

https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1637727609470566401

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

quote:

Almost half of the IT people work underhand, without a work book, and officially registered employees often receive 40–60% of their salary in envelopes, follows from accounting documents. Between themselves, Prigozhin's employees discuss that in addition to the white salary in other companies, "there is something that we do not have and will not have": a flexible start of the working day, medical insurance, bonuses. Former employees also complain about the "climate in the team" - in particular, mutual intrigues. Uncompetitive working conditions may explain the low level of education among IT specialists of Prigozhin's structures. Qualified specialists can hardly withstand Prigozhin's spontaneous micromanagement and rudeness - many had moved to "unfriendly" countries even before the start of the war.

Now I can't stop imagining a reboot of Hogans Heroes, only this time it's the IT Crowd trying to stay alive as they work to foil the plots of an evil mastermind who kills people off screen with a sledge hammer.

Every episode our low level techie pragmatists have to dodge getting executed for failing him for the last time.


<Queue Laugh Track>. The violance is as bad other British Comedies like The Young Ones.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Flavahbeast posted:

I wonder if anyone could be legally guilty of discrediting the army here, the kid with the sign or the passersby hugging him. Anyway, it's heartwarming

https://twitter.com/leonidragozin/status/1637727609470566401

saying war bad in Russia is incredibly brave

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Maybe I'll go where I can see stars
Medvedev was drunk again

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1637700519585013763

war criminal Girkin doesn't like him

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1637732446627147777

they could at least change the name of a company they use to bypass sanctions :effort:

https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1637708617930485762

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

I think a lot of people are seriously underestimating how many civilian casualties there have been so far in the war. The UN number for killed civilians directly attributable to the conflict is already 8k+, which is IIRC roughly in the same ballpark as for the Iraq invasion in the first year. The actual number is of course substantially higher, but for Ukraine we won't know it until a peace agreement and the occupied territories have been liberated.

At the beginning of the war I had an argument with a tankie about how there is no way the number is going to be that high because Russia is much more restrained about using weapons against its "own people". Then Mariupol happened. It was a city of 500k people and the Russian army just paved it with artillery with zero hesitation or consideration for civilian lives. That really shut him up. Now it's on to "why would NATO force Russia to annihilate a city of 500k?:qq:"

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