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CPColin posted:Again, who cares. It's all poo poo. Work sucks; do whatever lets you sleep at night. oh god, valve did that to me. lunch at the nice steak place next door, 3 interviewers alternating between questions and encouraging to eat
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dioxazine posted:technically, i'm not. as i just received an offer a few hours ago, but cheers for continuing to make assumptions and trying to foreshadow my future employment prospects If you weren’t really being a jerk, then no harm no foul. But if there’s a chance your counterpart left the meeting feeling lectured to then I would recommend… not doing that in the future. Somebody that feels lectured to is going to feel belittled. Can’t have people leaving meetings feeling belittled. Congrats on the offer.
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JawnV6 posted:god, are y'all honest in exit interviews too?? really give them some stuff to think about?
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JawnV6 posted:god, are y'all honest in exit interviews too?? really give them some stuff to think about? protip: don't ever do this If you have grievances to air, don't tell them to HR. I guarantee that the HR drone does not give two shits about anything you say. Your words will be written down, and are either forgotten or become a liability for you. Maybe you can communicate mild disapproval of upper management or strategic direction, but don't take it any farther. Instead, reach out to your boss (or skip-level) in a 1:1 and clear the air that way. Talk with somebody in your chain-of-command that you don't hate. Maybe do it outside of a work context if you can, or at least outside of an HR context if you can't. Don't connect it to your offboarding process. Otherwise, you'll only succeed in punishing them for listening to you. Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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a fun-but-foolish thing i did in an exit interview was when i got asked “what do you think of [company]’s feedback culture” and i said “[company] doesn’t have any particular ‘feedback culture’, HR just talks that way to feel useful” and the low-level HR flunky looked kind of sad and said “…yeah…”
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Poopernickel posted:protip: don't ever do this my entire chain of command turned into garbage so i left because it was unfixable
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Poopernickel posted:protip: don't ever do this
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if you have any loyalty to your fellow low-level peons at that job, tell 'em you're leaving because the pay sucks and they need to up their game if they want to retain people
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Poopernickel posted:you'll only succeed in punishing them for listening to you. I thought you were trying to talk us out of it
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I've been a dick to a recruiter twice, but both times they were asking me to work for Raytheon Missile Defense. Probably not great practice in case I encounter them elsewhere, but it felt good in the moment.
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Its a Rolex posted:I've been a dick to a recruiter twice, but both times they were asking me to work for Raytheon Missile Defense. Probably not great practice in case I encounter them elsewhere, but it felt good in the moment. good, dont work for companies like that
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but, but you're burning bridges??? 
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qsvui posted:but, but you're burning bridges??? so does raytheon missile defense. they'll understand
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AnimeIsTrash posted:good, dont work for companies like that Facebook, google, banks all probably do more direct harm than wasting taxpayer money on defense projects 
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making my way through the thread since i am going to be resume building and hopefully interviewing i've been a technican and worked into a network admin role, and have done for almost half a dozen years. i do everything from customer end tier 1 call-ins to core/edge routing, is it reasonable to claim the full breadth of that stuff even though i don't have ccna/ccnp yet? is the cert worth the figgies increase?
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DJ Commie posted:i've been a technican and worked into a network admin role, and have done for almost half a dozen years. i do everything from customer end tier 1 call-ins to core/edge routing, is it reasonable to claim the full breadth of that stuff even though i don't have ccna/ccnp yet?
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DJ Commie posted:making my way through the thread since i am going to be resume building and hopefully interviewing absolutely list it, why not? i got a ccna in like 2004 and it expired long ago so idk anything about the modern program, but i still list that when appropriate with "(expired)"
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DJ Commie posted:making my way through the thread since i am going to be resume building and hopefully interviewing If its relevant to your target audience list it.
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obvious addendum that you only list it if it’s something you want to continue to do
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DJ Commie posted:making my way through the thread since i am going to be resume building and hopefully interviewing absolutely say this if it's relevant to the position. most people in sh/sc cert thread seem to lean towards them being fairly worthwhile tk posted:If you weren’t really being a jerk, then no harm no foul. But if there’s a chance your counterpart left the meeting feeling lectured to then I would recommend… not doing that in the future. Somebody that feels lectured to is going to feel belittled. Can’t have people leaving meetings feeling belittled. yeah, fair enough! solid advice here 
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Beeftweeter posted:so does raytheon missile defense. they'll understand yeah, being so polite as to not even state what is out of the question for you is not helpful to recruiters or yourself. i don't think anyone will be very surprised that loving raytheon is out.
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i applied to raytheon when they were still the main contractor for the antarctic program
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:yeah, being so polite as to not even state what is out of the question for you is not helpful to recruiters or yourself. i don't think anyone will be very surprised that loving raytheon is out. lol seriously. if you wanna work for raytheon i guess thats on you. i dont
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the guy mentions it in the thread too but i've found that bingGPT is pretty well guarded against prompt injection kind of stuff
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Beeftweeter posted:the guy mentions it in the thread too but i've found that bingGPT is pretty well guarded against prompt injection kind of stuff https://twitter.com/brdskggs/status/1637441452677427200?s=46&t=TBi_iSImUmzjTxXAKsMEHw heh
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hobbesmaster posted:https://twitter.com/brdskggs/status/1637441452677427200?s=46&t=TBi_iSImUmzjTxXAKsMEHw it really is pretty decent at it. admittedly i didn't try very hard, but immediately obvious ways don't work the only way i've been able to get it to do anything even similar was by having a somewhat long conversation (it's limited to 15 replies anyway) and then telling it to modify a previous response that was way further up the stack
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while the conversational stuff is garbage one of my hopes for a positive social effect gpt models will have is that it will extremely quickly make all humans dismiss any text which doesn't immediately get to a real point as bad (and likely ai). reversing a long trend towards higher word counts as a demonstration of work ethic/schooling/whatever. it seems almost unavoidable, i am myself already a lot quicker to dismiss any text put in front of me that has the least sign of meandering through some set things.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:while the conversational stuff is garbage one of my hopes for a positive social effect gpt models will have is that it will extremely quickly make all humans dismiss any text which doesn't immediately get to a real point as bad (and likely ai). reversing a long trend towards higher word counts as a demonstration of work ethic/schooling/whatever. tldr
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Armitag3 posted:tldr not necessarily a good development for me personally no
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confirming something i have always suspected https://twitter.com/jamieson/status/1637817227410825225 a large percentage of job listings are complete fiction
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The portion of the article quoted does not state what percentage of managers with job postings weren't looking to fill them. I'd be very interested to see the actual number. e: You can't miss the second post: https://twitter.com/jamieson/status/1637819382364504064 ultrafilter fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Mar 20, 2023 |
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1) never be honest in exit interviews. Just smile and say you're leaving because you want to spend more time with your family, or that you felt the need for new challenges, some incredibly vanilla thing like that. Exit interviews can never help you, the best case is that they dont do anything. The worst case is you hurt someones feelings and 6 years later you have to work with them again, and they remember you. If possible, avoid the interview entirely. 2) When someone approaches you about a job in a company you have ethical issues with, let the recruiter know in a way that is possible for them to pass up the chain. It is the smallest, tiniest thing you can do to effect change. If facebook knows they're facing recruiting challenges because no one wants to work for Democracy Subversion Inc then that is a small piece of pressure to change for the better. An angry rant wont get passed up the chain. I have a form letter, feel free to file it away somewhere: quote:Hi $NAME,
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obviously raytheon is not gonna be like "well, i guess we should just make farm implements from now on" but its at least some pressure. Like I said, it may be no more effective than venting spleen at some recruiter, but like that dude is not Mr. Raytheon, he's just some guy tryin to make it to the weekend just like you. Being a recruiter isnt really a great job.
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rotor posted:1) never be honest in exit interviews. Just smile and say you're leaving because you want to spend more time with your family, or that you felt the need for new challenges, some incredibly vanilla thing like that. Exit interviews can never help you, the best case is that they dont do anything. The worst case is you hurt someones feelings and 6 years later you have to work with them again, and they remember you. If possible, avoid the interview entirely. as a departing employee, what exactly are my incentives to say anything other than bland pleasantries in an exit interview? i dont work here any more, its not my job to fix your company's broken culture, and anything sharp or negative I say might come back to bite me some day (unlikely, but possible) just give me my final paycheck and let me hand over my security badge and laptop
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FMguru posted:exactly I have actually been bitten by being honest in an exit interview. Most of my advice comes from making really lovely choices in my life.
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Life goals: 1) don't get as old as rotor
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rotor posted:Being a recruiter isnt really a great job. Oddly i have a cousin who is (was? Havent talked in years) a recruiter and they love it. Different strokes etc
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