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DarkSol posted:Spielberg asked if he could direct a Bond film after Close Encounters, but I think he was turned down. (Turns out he was turned down three times by Cubby.) If it was after Close Encounters I wonder if in this alternate timeline of Spielberg Bond film(s) does it mean we don't get Indiana Jones?
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DarkSol posted:This track feels way bigger than the movie it is trying to serve. (It almost feels like it could be part of The Black Hole soundtrack, which Barry also composed around the same time.) Yes, sorry, that was the Western I was trying to place. Lobok posted:If it was after Close Encounters I wonder if in this alternate timeline of Spielberg Bond film(s) does it mean we don't get Indiana Jones? Hard to say. Lucas always wanted to make it, but the way he sold it to Spielberg was, "Hey, wanna really stick it to those Bond guys?" But he probably would have talked him into it eventually.
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Lobok posted:If it was after Close Encounters I wonder if in this alternate timeline of Spielberg Bond film(s) does it mean we don't get Indiana Jones? Moore actually went to Cubby after the former saw Duel, for the first time Spielberg got turned down. The second time was after Jaws, when Spielberg went directly to Cubby. Cubby thought he was not the right man for the job. The last time was after Close Encounters, and Cubby thought Spielberg was too successful and therefore Eon couldn't afford him. That said, I think we'd always get Indiana Jones, but it would probably be a more Lucas helmed picture and maybe less successful, because Lucas had pretty bad ideas for Raiders that Kasdan and Spielberg thankfully overruled him on...
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Jan 24, 2023 23:50
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Does any of this explain why the keypad combo for Hugo Drax's secret lab was the Close Encounters tones?
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Jan 25, 2023 18:34
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Presto posted:Does any of this explain why the keypad combo for Hugo Drax's secret lab was the Close Encounters tones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De2SuYAjrdY
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Jan 25, 2023 18:42
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Presto posted:Does any of this explain why the keypad combo for Hugo Drax's secret lab was the Close Encounters tones? Do you mean why they wanted to do it? Or how they were allowed? If the latter, then... thrawn527 posted:I read that Albert Broccoli called Steven Spielberg and asked him personally if he could use the tune, and Spielberg said yes. And then, several years later, when Spielberg asked Broccoli to return the favor and let him use the Bond theme in Goonies, Broccoli pointed out that the Bond theme had more than 5 notes (as a joke, he let him use it). If the former, then... thrawn527 posted:Hollywood is loving weird.
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Jan 25, 2023 19:03
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Just got back from seeing Pathaan, if you cats are struggling for some Spy nonsense to fill the void in your hearts you could do far worse than it. The director lifted drat near every action set piece from either Bond, MI, or seemingly MGSV. It's got almost no location shooting as far as I could tell, and the CGI is Spy Kids tier, but it makes up for it with a ton of heart and and a plot that takes itself seriously instead of winking at the audience constantly.
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Feb 10, 2023 08:02
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 So the genetic virus thing was originally floated as a Brosnan plot. I feel like they have a tub of these old ideas they'll randomly pull from whenever it's time to make a new movie.
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Mar 18, 2023 01:01
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No Time to Die does kinda feel like it has its foot halfway into Brosnan territory. Camp elements like the goofy scientist, the eyeball henchman, the Spectre party, Felix’s goofball partner, the rival 007 subplot. Then the other half is deadly serious business as usual Craig. It’s a weird juxtaposition that holds the film back from being at the top of the heap for me. I still enjoyed it quite a lot despite that. I’d rank it just below Casino and Skyfall.
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Mar 18, 2023 18:06
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It's a weird combination because Craig's Bond is presented as a deeply serious person, despite making a decent amount of jokes and the occasional bon mot. It's doubly weird because Craig is a really gifted comedic actor.
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man nurse posted:No Time to Die does kinda feel like it has its foot halfway into Brosnan territory. Camp elements like the goofy scientist, the eyeball henchman, the Spectre party, Felix’s goofball partner, the rival 007 subplot. Then the other half is deadly serious business as usual Craig. It’s a weird juxtaposition that holds the film back from being at the top of the heap for me. I still enjoyed it quite a lot despite that. I’d rank it just below Casino and Skyfall. Spectre attempts to do this too but fails. The car chase with Dave Bautista being a prime example, they're both driving exotic cars and there are gags about the gadgets and bystanders but it's so goddamn boring.
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Cacator posted:Spectre attempts to do this too but fails. The car chase with Dave Bautista being a prime example, they're both driving exotic cars and there are gags about the gadgets and bystanders but it's so goddamn boring. Yeah, although I feel it’s to a markedly lesser extent in Spectre. There’s not a whole lot of humor in it at all, which would be fine if the majority of the movie wasn’t super dull. The opening sequence is spectacular though, and I really liked the train fight which felt appropriately hard hitting.
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Mar 20, 2023 23:47
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Apropos of nothing I just learned that apparently, The Spy Who Loved Me movie is completely different from the book... at Fleming's request, because he never liked how the book turned out. Camp is something that Hollywood really struggles to do nowadays- especially in live action, it's almost a forgotten art. Everything either needs to be deadly serious or have tension constantly deflated with quips.
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Mar 21, 2023 07:51
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Moonraker (the movie) has nothing to do with Moonraker (the book). The plot of the book, IIRC, is that the villain is an ex-Nazi (like actual WWII German Nazi) who plans to blow up London with his seemingly benign rocket, as revenge for Germany's defeat in the war.
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Presto posted:Moonraker (the movie) has nothing to do with Moonraker (the book). The plot of the book, IIRC, is that the villain is an ex-Nazi (like actual WWII German Nazi) who plans to blow up London with his seemingly benign rocket, as revenge for Germany's defeat in the war. It's not "seemingly benign" it's an icbm his nazi gold rear end is oh so generously building for his beloved England, where he is definitely from. Except this test launch isn't aimed at the sea, it's got a live warhead and it's pointed at london. And the Russians are working with and evacuating this bunch of former Nazis by sub for... reasons? Yeah, never really got why they're working with the baddies other than it was the 50s and the Russians were now also bad. That one is a little more understandable that they just stripped the title because it largely dealt with social and technological concerns in the aftermath of wwII and the subject matter had more or less been dealt with at that point.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:18
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the best part of Moonraker the book is like the entire first half of it is M. getting Bond to clean out some dude at his poker club because he's pretty sure he cheats at cards
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Mar 21, 2023 17:36
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Yeah, book bond definitely had some fun openers. Like how thunderball starts off with M going through a health club phase and the whole SPECTER thing kicks off funny because after Bond got sent to one he got into a passing match with their dude, who was using the club as a cover for being around the base where they steal the nukes.
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Mar 21, 2023 19:42
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FoolyCharged posted:And the Russians are working with and evacuating this bunch of former Nazis by sub for... reasons? Yeah, never really got why they're working with the baddies other than it was the 50s and the Russians were now also bad.[/spoiler] Yeah but working with former Nazi rocket scientists wasn't exclusive to the Russians.
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Cacator posted:Yeah but working with former Nazi rocket scientists wasn't exclusive to the Russians. It's more that (moonraker): The Soviets had literally just finished WWII. I don't think they'd be willing to harbor a bunch of Nazis bent on the return of the third Reich even if they did nuke London and give them the ICBM plans they designed. Them giving former Nazi scientists a free pass on their past actions in exchange for help designing soviet rockets sure, they did that. But the Moonraker baddies are a step above that and openly displaying they'll stab you in the back with a nuke in order to bring back the Nazi Empire. Thats uh, not something Russian's that had just seen stalingrad and the like would be on board with. The book was written and set in 1955 less than 10 years after the wars end.
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Cacator posted:Spectre attempts to do this too but fails. The car chase with Dave Bautista being a prime example, they're both driving exotic cars and there are gags about the gadgets and bystanders but it's so goddamn boring. The best part of that sequence is Bond’s back and forth with Moneypenny.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:the best part of Moonraker the book is like the entire first half of it is M. getting Bond to clean out some dude at his poker club because he's pretty sure he cheats at cards The gradual reveal throughout that Bond is good at cards but spectacularly bad at things like spycraft or critical thinking has always tickled me. Drax is basically a 1950's Elon Musk and Bond is one of his weird twitter defenders. Also I grew up kinda near where the second half takes place, and reading about how quiet such-and-such road is and what good time you could make driving from A to B dates the book incredibly badly for me 
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jammyozzy posted:The gradual reveal throughout that Bond is good at cards but spectacularly bad at things like spycraft or critical thinking has always tickled me. Drax is basically a 1950's Elon Musk and Bond is one of his weird twitter defenders. Bond is a "spy" on a first-name basis with every intelligence organization on the planet. If he shows up on your doorstep asking around for you, you can take it as open declaration of war on you by the British government.
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Yeah, book bond is comically bad at spycraft and makes up for it by being super humanly good at killing and pushing on through near death to survive. He's M's hatchet man, and M by and large sends him to places and after targets not to find stuff out, but because he wants them shot up and blown up to smithereens. Bond is very dependable at carnage.
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There's a reason he's a 00. That's not the George Smiley department, that's "You murder who we say you murder."
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It’s been years since I read the books. What are some examples of how he’s comically bad at spycraft?
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My favourite passage that sums is all up from the let's read Bond thread, albeit from a non Fleming book, is along the lines of "'I really should pay more attention to people', thought Bond"
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Strategic Tea posted:My favourite passage that sums is all up from the let's read Bond thread, albeit from a non Fleming book, is along the lines of "'I really should pay more attention to people', thought Bond" Mathis' advice finally hitting him all those years later. Rene Mathis in Casino Royale posted:Surround yourself with human beings, my dear James. They're easier to fight for than principles.
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MrMojok posted:It’s been years since I read the books. What are some examples of how he’s comically bad at spycraft? In thunderball when bond suspects largo, but has zero actual evidence he decides to test the matter by sitting down with him at a card table and awkwardly shoving the word specter into darn near every one of his sentences.
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Meaty Ore posted:Mathis' advice finally hitting him all those years later. Not my personal experience!
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I've never read a James Bond book and I have no idea why. I'm an encyclopedia of the movies.
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 Really glad they tried to address this important backstory element
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Funkdreamer posted:
Octobussy...
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Brofessor Slayton posted:Octobussy...
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I’ve just been revisiting this whole series and I wanted to say I love the Daniel Craig era. After having spent days watching all of them sequentially, I think the Craig era was exactly what was needed. The reboot, the pivot to a somber, unhappy Bond. Not a big fan of Quantum or SPECTRE but Casino Royale and Skyfall are both in my top ten Bond films of all time. The last one was okay, and while I’m probably the last person who would say the franchise should just end now, if that was the end, I’m fine with it. I think the Craig era is the best Bond thing ever, other than the first few Connery films. Fight me. e: Especially Skyfall. That film was an absolute masterpiece MrMojok fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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I agree completely and I’m happy to see someone else who feels that way, most people heel turned on the Craig era it feels like.
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I think the idea of what they wanted to do with Craig Bond was good, like you said a more somber, serious Bond was needed at that time. And Casino Royale delivered on that. From there though things got very muddled and not all of it was their fault, some of it was just unfortunate timing with the writer's strike during the production of Quantum. Quantum was like the most direct sequel they'd ever done with Bond, and it was considered a disappointment so the kneejerk reaction to that led us to Skyfall. And of course Skyfall itself is a complicated conversation because it's regarded as one of the best Bonds, and yet I do think it contributes to the muddying of the waters that I'm talking about. Craig Bond was on this interesting new trajectory that they'd started with Casino Royale/Quantum of Solace but then all the sudden with Skyfall they skip ahead to a Bond that is a washed up dinosaur who has to prove his worth again. The Vesper/Quantum storyline seemed like it was an origin story that was setting up a run of films where we'd be seeing Bond in his prime, but Skyfall went the opposite direction. Then two movies later they're literally killing Bond off and it all just felt very truncated and rushed. In a vacuum though I think the Craig Bond era was good, just judging movie for movie compared to the other Bonds. Connery is the only one that I would say is unquestionably better, personally I've never been much of a Roger Moore Bond fan and then Brosnan Bond went downhill extremely fast.
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Dalton is going to get a reappraisal here soon, I can feel it.
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I loved the Dalton films. Making bond the bitter straight man to the insanity all around him was great.
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Dalton's portrayal of the character is my favourite, and Living Daylights my number 1 Bond movie. I think his films have always been a bit dismissed because their plots were more complex compared to the "Stop a Blofeld analog doing some flavor of doomsday scheme" template that's the archetypal idea of 'Bond Movie', but they have some thoughtfulness to their plotting that's often absent from the series imo. I like Daylights most because it's the only time a Bond movie, in a franchise ostensibly about spying, is actually about spies. Iron Curtain defections, double agents, surreptitious meetings in Viennese cafes, staged assassinations, funnelling slush money into drugs and guns etc. All good stuff for a spy flick, and I wish there was more Bond material that stayed in that world.
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