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mastershakeman posted:Yeah those are the guys r2d2 and c3p0 are based on Droids are slaves and all the fandom is ok with this. All your protagonists bully and mistreat droids. Even the mandalorian. Space libs
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don't be synthist
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loquacius posted:One of the weirdest things about Disney Star Wars is that Lando fucks a droid her plotline in solo was atrocious
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Jaxyon posted:Droids are slaves and all the fandom is ok with this. All your protagonists bully and mistreat droids. Even the mandalorian. There's also non-droid slaves. There's just a lot of slavery in Star Wars for some reason.
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I think samurai were like feudal minor landlords who swore to fight, mostly as like mounted calvary? when their regional lord needed them to. And in return yah they were petty landlord basterds and tied to a specific class interest. I don't think they were historically some Super Cool Feudal Cops or whatever western media thinks. So that samurai game that didn't support japanese language at release and was made by texans goes hardcore into rehabilitating the samurai the same way the fascists did in Japan in the early 20ths century. Inventing an idea of honor and nobility that didn't really ever exist. and also the game has women bowing before men which is also ahistorical and something that got boosted with the fascists. Historically there were no katanas but the game has katanas etc. Kinda like glorifying cowboys and slave owners as big matcho good guys fighting for their ideals or something. And so that game did well in Japan cause gamers are often right wing anti historical poo poo head shut ins who think katanas are cool and smelly multiethnic invaders from China called 'mongolians' are bad and we have to protect our honor&our women's purity or something
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I don't know any japanese history and I didn't play the game but it did appear to have the funk of right wing bullshit
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I liked the scene where Jin Sakai poisoned all the Mongolians like Kefka in FF6
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Justin Tyme posted:They're gonna try to do a Zelda movie and its gonna suck absolute rear end
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Clip-On Fedora posted:I liked the scene where Jin Sakai poisoned all the Mongolians like Kefka in FF6 Read Settlers
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Justin Tyme posted:They're gonna try to do a Zelda movie and its gonna suck absolute rear end Chris Kattan as Link
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i say swears online posted:Read Settlers lol
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Jaxyon posted:Droids are slaves and all the fandom is ok with this. All your protagonists bully and mistreat droids. Even the mandalorian. There's notably one guy who treats droids well. That's right, Anakin Skywalker , who was/is a slave as well Antonymous posted:I don't know any japanese history and I didn't play the game but it did appear to have the funk of right wing bullshit c'mon man
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AHEM! The guys Artoo and Threepio are based on were actually soldiers who joined the military to get rich off looting and deserted when they lost the battle. Then they get thrown in a POW camp and hilarity ensues. Anyway I find the weird obsession with tearing down samurai off putting like a weird form of orientalism. Like yeah they were Japanese version of the Knight and thus feudal shitbags, but I never see this kind of obsession with tearing down the Knights of the Round Table. Why is there never someone crawling out of the woodwork to tell us about how Sir Gawain was a nazi? Was The Green Knight fascist apologia?
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galagazombie posted:Why is there never someone crawling out of the woodwork to tell us about how Sir Gawain was a nazi? Was The Green Knight fascist apologia? speaking of, my favorite Love Death and Robots episode was the weird conquistador one
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galagazombie posted:AHEM! The guys Artoo and Threepio are based on were actually soldiers who joined the military to get rich off looting and deserted when they lost the battle. Then they get thrown in a POW camp and hilarity ensues. there's a difference between specific fake knights and historical European knights which are and have been taken down all the time. nobody's canceling Samurai Jack they're saying samurais sucked poo poo and booty hole
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yah you can play shogun total war or w/e. Knights wore the iron cross but if a game has knights wearing it and talking about saving europa from turks or something and their european ethical system is set up as superior and then skinheads in europe talk about how great it is... its kinda gross no? or is that occidentalism actually that might be more historically accurate than the ghosts of tsushima game idk Antonymous has issued a correction as of 06:04 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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imo if anything rewriting history to suit right wing sensibilities being "on limits" when its a japanese historical game made by english speaking Antonymous has issued a correction as of 06:03 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Auralnauts reimagining Lando's betrayal to be about L3 will always be funny to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwsMYJdmutQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2zRFPeEDS0
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Also Jin in Ghost of Tsushima learns about how bullshit the Samurai system is and sides with his peasant friends.
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We need a game about the samurai delegates at the World's Fair getting drunk off a different booze each night
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how was ghost of tsushima inspired by elden ring if it was released earlier?
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is metal gear solid fascist is the real question no
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Antonymous posted:yah you can play shogun total war or w/e. Knights wore the iron cross but if a game has knights wearing it and talking about saving europa from turks or something and their european ethical system is set up as superior and then skinheads in europe talk about how great it is... its kinda gross no? or is that occidentalism The game actually doesn't venerate the samurai system that much. The whole arc of the game is about the main character abandoning when it proves to be impractical and incapable of fending off the Mongols* and even his uncle, the biggest feudal lord in the context of the game is portrayed as being pretty classist, mostly ignoring the peasant woman that's been backing you up and saved your life, then trying to blame all of your "dishonorable" actions on her so you can save face. *Noted though, that historical samurai wouldn't have had any issue with the kind of poo poo Jin pulls in the game.
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I liked Policenauts because it was really obvious Kojima just wanted to make his own Lethal Weapon Movie but then it becomes a story about how space colonies are a cool idea on paper but in practice would actually be giant resource sinks that are miserable to live in, require horrifying practices and infrastructure to maintain, and are ultimately unsustainable embodiments of mankind's hubris.
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Antonymous posted:is metal gear solid fascist is the real question It seemed like the 5th game kind of was though.
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galagazombie posted:Anyway I find the weird obsession with tearing down samurai off putting like a weird form of orientalism. Like yeah they were Japanese version of the Knight and thus feudal shitbags, but I never see this kind of obsession with tearing down the Knights of the Round Table. Why is there never someone crawling out of the woodwork to tell us about how Sir Gawain was a nazi? Was The Green Knight fascist apologia? At least in cinema, Samurai mythology is very closely related to Cowboy mythology (e.g Kurosawa and John Hughes copying each other's shots, the ronin/man with no name, being "quick on the draw" applying to both revolver and katana, etc), the greatest cowboy pictures have always oscillated between earnestness and deconstruction of the archetype, so it follows that it's more natural for samurai films to do this as well. Hara-Kiri is one of the greatest samurai films and it's an explicit breakdown of the samurai, same as Eastwood's Unforgiven for example (which has an excellent samurai remake of its own with Ken Watanabe). I think Samurai/Cowboy is a closer parallel IN MEDIA than Samurai/Knight. That being said I think more cool revisionist medieval films would be extremely welcome. The Green Knight was a little bit like that but needed more character work. Cookie Cutter has issued a correction as of 10:38 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Cookie Cutter posted:At least in cinema, Samurai mythology is very closely related to Cowboy mythology (e.g Kurosawa and John Hughes copying each other's shots, the ronin/man with no name, being "quick on the draw" applying to both revolver and katana, etc), the greatest cowboy pictures have always oscillated between earnestness and deconstruction of the archetype, so it follows that it's more natural for samurai films to do this as well. Hara-Kiri is one of the greatest samurai films and it's an explicit breakdown of the samurai, same as Eastwood's Unforgiven for example (which has an excellent samurai remake of its own with Ken Watanabe). I think Samurai/Cowboy is a closer parallel IN MEDIA than Samurai/Knight. This brings up a good point, Regardless of whether it’s cowboys or knights, part of my point is how strange the whole anti samurai backlash is when Samurai stories are doing that just fine themselves. Like I can’t remember the last time I saw a samurai story where the protagonist wasn’t some kind of ronin fighting against feudalism. Ghost of Tsushima portrays the samurai as dangerously moronic Klingons who the hero is at odds with.
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I don't think tsushima was right wing I just think it was made with an astonishingly naive view of the samurai (who they were already cramming into a much earlier era) that doesn't reflect even how basic Japanese media portrays them, which is usually fairly cynically. I don't know how they claim to have watched any samurai films at all and come away with the fairytale knights they ended up with in the game It's a shame cause the game is good and Tsushima plus historical cynicism would be a game made just for me. Also the mongols should be super advanced, multiethnic and using pikeblocks and grenades It's another situation where the history is way better than the pop culture garbage they missed it for
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Ardennes posted:It seemed like the 5th game kind of was though. Snake eater? Or are you counting snake's revenge/twin snakes
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Cuttlefush posted:Snake eater? Or are you counting snake's revenge/twin snakes Phantom Pain
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The Thin White Snake
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Antonymous posted:ghosts of tsushima is right wing propaganda lol drat thats interesting
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a lot of good art is right wing propaganda because fascists prioritize aesthetic above everything
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:a lot of good art is right wing propaganda because fascists prioritize aesthetic above everything exactly. just like brutalist architecture
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isn't rightwing propaganda in japan more like like: Comfort women were all whores?
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Tankbuster posted:isn't rightwing propaganda in japan more like like: Comfort women were all whores? idk i'm not japanese and I haven't played ghosts of tsushima i'm just speaking in generalities
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Tankbuster posted:isn't rightwing propaganda in japan more like like: Comfort women were all whores? it can be many things at once. You also have stuff like "The Rape of Nanking never happened."
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