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16-bit Butt-Head posted:jojo also avoids it by making weirder and weirder powers that arent easy to counter with brute strength making for complex and interest battles Also by having character pull new details about their powers out of their rear end at random intervals. I say this with the utmost respect and admiration.
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Mar 22, 2023 00:12
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https://twitter.com/WeedVentoAureo/status/737868911908118530
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Mar 22, 2023 00:15
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For a shonen series that has been running more than 20 years I think One Piece has managed it's power curve pretty well.
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Mar 22, 2023 00:50
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je1 healthcare posted:It's called the "power treadmill", in which shonen franchises and authors can't think of any way to keep raising the stakes besides making the next villain more powerful than the last, requiring the protagonist to surpass their old limits until everyone is firing lazers and blowing up mountains Kars threaten to conquer the world. Dio threatened to conquer the world. Diavolo probably didn't want to conquer the world and Pucchi straight up blew up the universe. The president made a super power to make all misfortune happen to other countries to ensure American dominance on the world. Only ones that really kept it was Part 4 and Jojolion. Personally never got that into Hunter Hunter. Idk it just wasn't my cup of tea. I came back during the election arc and I just bounced hard. Annointed fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 22, 2023 |
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Mar 22, 2023 01:09
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Annointed posted:Kars threaten to conquer the world. Dio threatened to conquer the world. Diavolo probably didn't want to conquer the world and Pucchi straight up blew up the universe. The president made a super power to make all misfortune happen to other countries to ensure American dominance on the world. Only ones that really kept it was Part 4 and Jojolion. Yes, Kars was the villain of part 2, which is when Araki stepped away from the power treadmill because Dio was certainly less powerful, and uh, still couldn't be exposed to light.
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Mar 22, 2023 01:22
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one piece has played around with power levels eniel was more powerful than most of the villains that came after and he had to be completely removed from the plot by putting him on the moon becasue no one but luffy and his rubber abilities could beat him
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Mar 22, 2023 01:24
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One Piece played with crew dynamics and while there were heavy hitters in fights they all had their own thing that only they could do. Unfortunately, I think that was lost after the time skip and the crew have taken the backseat to story arc characters and what kind of new powerful punch Luffy can do this week. He caught the Goku, unfortunately.
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Mar 22, 2023 01:27
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Jimbot posted:One Piece played with crew dynamics and while there were heavy hitters in fights they all had their own thing that only they could do. Unfortunately, I think that was lost after the time skip and the crew have taken the backseat to story arc characters and what kind of new powerful punch Luffy can do this week. He caught the Goku, unfortunately. Haki does feel somewhat unnecessary.
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Mar 22, 2023 01:58
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KingKalamari posted:Also by having character pull new details about their powers out of their rear end at random intervals. I say this with the utmost respect and admiration. its been a while since i read part 6 and i still can't get over weather report's snail power
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Mar 22, 2023 01:58
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:its been a while since i read part 6 and i still can't get over weather report's snail power It's based on legit science
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Mar 22, 2023 02:01
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Goku is the coolest. Except for Piccolo. He might be cooler
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Mar 22, 2023 02:05
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Jimbot posted:One Piece played with crew dynamics and while there were heavy hitters in fights they all had their own thing that only they could do. Unfortunately, I think that was lost after the time skip and the crew have taken the backseat to story arc characters and what kind of new powerful punch Luffy can do this week. He caught the Goku, unfortunately. It still does a heroic job of making every crew member play important roles and make contributions in a way that DBZ lost basically once it added the “Z”. Like even Ussop and Nami are giving more to do than Krillin who gets to maybe kick a guy who literally doesn’t matter every hundred chapters. Even then, 600 chapters before really* getting on the power level treadmill is pretty drat impressive. * (honestly I barely count gears 2 and 3 which are more about interesting use of the main characters powerset than just “I discovered a new power tier in my heart”)
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Mar 22, 2023 02:06
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cooler is the coolest
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Mar 22, 2023 02:06
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king cold is the coldest. it's in the name. if cooler was so cool he'd be canon, like broly.je1 healthcare posted:Yes, Kars was the villain of part 2, which is when Araki stepped away from the power treadmill because Dio was certainly less powerful, and uh, still couldn't be exposed to light. 
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Mar 22, 2023 02:17
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Guy A. Person posted:It still does a heroic job of making every crew member play important roles and make contributions in a way that DBZ lost basically once it added the “Z”. Like even Ussop and Nami are giving more to do than Krillin who gets to maybe kick a guy who literally doesn’t matter every hundred chapters. Even then, 600 chapters before really* getting on the power level treadmill is pretty drat impressive. I'm willing to cut OP some slack in that regard because the series is pretty clearly getting into the endgame now. Busting out literal godlike power makes a lot more sense when you're in the home stretch.
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Mar 22, 2023 02:22
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Ivypls posted:the best part of super is the part of the tournament of power where roshi got to kick rear end Roshi has the best W/L record in the whole series too. He's only straight up definitively lost like once ever and that was to Tien in Dragon Ball. It rules
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Mar 22, 2023 02:32
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I'm hoping that Super Hero is a sign of things to come for Dragonball, giving more focus to characters other than Goku and Vegeta. What I'm saying is, give us the Mr Satan & Buu movie.
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Mar 22, 2023 02:39
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Youtube recommended this lady's video game collecting channel to me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnOrZeIecsk Pleasant enough content but something nagged me about her. Finally I realized...she has to be Big Joel's sister or something, right? The facial resemblance and manner of speaking is just too similar
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Mar 22, 2023 03:02
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Twincityhacker posted:Superman has changed and grown as a person after they exited the hard status quo bubble in the 70s, but he's still very much the same dude as the heroic ideal hasn't changed much in the past 80 years. ( Batman changes because what counts as "gritty" changes. Wonder Woman is rebooted every fifteen years, so she rarely has that baggage with her. ) I'll concede that I only have a general idea of what Superman does because I don't read comics and my only exposure is via animated appearances like movies or Young Justice so I dunno. I though his thing was being the optimistic hero who wants to see the best in people and wants to help whenever possible. More of a static character that doesn't really grow but causes people around him to grow. But honestly, I don't know what most of the Justice League initial member's deals are. Batman maybe needs to learn to accept the help of every sidekick he's trained? Is that a thing? I'm not even totally confident on that one. And I'm less sure what lessons Flash, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, or Shazam! need to learn in the 80-40 years they'e existed.
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Mar 22, 2023 03:24
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Related to DBZ I see it's time for the latest round of 'TFS did a lot of harm to the fandom, actually.' As if they don't really really want you to watch the series if you came to it via DBZA first which has been known to happen. Heck, KaiserNeko wants you to watch Dragon Ball (and you should).
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Mar 22, 2023 04:02
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Dawgstar posted:Related to DBZ I see it's time for the latest round of 'TFS did a lot of harm to the fandom, actually.' As if they don't really really want you to watch the series if you came to it via DBZA first which has been known to happen. Heck, KaiserNeko wants you to watch Dragon Ball (and you should). its not time at all for that, actually
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Mar 22, 2023 04:17
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:one piece has played around with power levels eniel was more powerful than most of the villains that came after and he had to be completely removed from the plot by putting him on the moon becasue no one but luffy and his rubber abilities could beat him One Piece is so about power levels they invented Stupid Nen and invented a Double Super Grand Line at the end of the grand line where an even scarier and new tier of Bad Pirates exists at and you need a Triple Magic Compass to sail there when they started with the time skip where everyone got Goku Training Time.
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Mar 22, 2023 04:20
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:One Piece is so about power levels they invented Stupid Nen and invented a Double Super Grand Line at the end of the grand line where an even scarier and new tier of Bad Pirates exists at and you need a Triple Magic Compass to sail there when they started with the time skip where everyone got Goku Training Time. Yeah, but it also leaves in a bit more room for flexibility in how the character's powers work: By taking the Jojo approach where almost every character has a single, unique power that their entire move set is based around and you have kind of an equal balance between the characters being able to take on tougher opponents because they've trained and become stronger and characters taking on tougher opponents because they've figured out more effective ways to utilize the powers they already have. The majority of Luffy's power increases over the course of the series have been the result of him figuring out new and novel ways to take advantage of being made of rubber.
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Mar 22, 2023 04:32
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Pleasant enough content but something nagged me about her. Finally I realized...she has to be Big Joel's sister or something, right? The facial resemblance and manner of speaking is just too similar they could be inspired by big joel but I went to the channel and didn't see a split-off channel with a million 3 minute videos titled things like "this tweet annoyed me"
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Mar 22, 2023 04:47
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:I'm willing to cut OP some slack in that regard because the series is pretty clearly getting into the endgame now. Busting out literal godlike power makes a lot more sense when you're in the home stretch.
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Mar 22, 2023 04:52
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Dawgstar posted:Related to DBZ I see it's time for the latest round of 'TFS did a lot of harm to the fandom, actually.'  I have never seen nor heard anyone say this.
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Mar 22, 2023 09:49
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Genthil posted:
I'm gonna guess it's a 'Why watch the original when
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Mar 22, 2023 09:59
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Dawgstar posted:Related to DBZ I see it's time for the latest round of 'TFS did a lot of harm to the fandom, actually.' As if they don't really really want you to watch the series if you came to it via DBZA first which has been known to happen. Heck, KaiserNeko wants you to watch Dragon Ball (and you should). 
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Mar 22, 2023 10:03
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I read the dbz manga and watched some stuff as a kid and never looked at it until during covid times where the new broly movie came out and I turned it on out of nostalgia. There are so many coloured hairs they transform to now what the hell. And goku is still a cruel god who would trap people in his personal arenas so he can fight them and be stronger later, but it's ok because he sounds like a silly grandma
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Mar 22, 2023 11:56
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RareAcumen posted:I'm gonna guess it's a 'Why watch the original when Nah. Well, maybe sorta? In this instance it was somebody complaining that DBZA ruins things for... reasons? Because they think people confuse it with the actual show?
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Mar 22, 2023 12:50
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there is a non-zero percentage of fans who think that someone who would otherwise watch the entirety of dragon ball z is going to just...not because they can get effectively the same thing from watching DBZ abridged they are insane because I don't think I've ever known anyone who watched all of an abridged series without like, a serious grounding in the original, but they exist regardless
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Mar 22, 2023 12:58
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Funktastic posted:I haven’t had a chance to watch video yet, but I think Dragonball only really feels like forever media due to how late it became popular in the west compared to Japan and the million video games. Otherwise it’s a series that progresses through time, and a nearly 20 year gap between GT and Super. Not really the same as something like The Simpsons of Pokemon, I think. They're finishing up Ash's time on the pokemon anime right now, actually. He finally became a champion, Team Rocket split up, they've announced completely new protagonists for the new season. Complete turnover is my understanding.
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Mar 22, 2023 13:14
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Mar 22, 2023 13:49
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that's the subversion i loved most in One Punch Man. the baddies started at city destroying freaks and instantly escalated to dramatic end of series cosmic evil baddies but....he's One Punch Man so it actually was a treadmill of boring fights for him.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:02
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TheFlyingLlama posted:there is a non-zero percentage of fans who think that someone who would otherwise watch the entirety of dragon ball z is going to just...not because they can get effectively the same thing from watching DBZ abridged I think I've seen DBZA up to the end of Frieza, plus a few of the movies. It's the only DB/DBZ thing I've seen. But it's not like the Abridged series has made it more or less likely to watch the originals because I was never going to do that anyway.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:14
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See, the obvious solution to the Strong Opponent Inflation problem is once your protagonist gets too powerful you have them get bored with what they're doing and pursue a new hobby. So once your shounen fighting protagonist has beaten the strongest martial artist in the world you then start having them train to be really good at needle point and they have to train to best the greatest needle-pointer in the world
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Mar 22, 2023 15:19
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Didn't YuYu Hakusho eventually reach something like that. The four protagonists were so strong that they had to start searching for something to actually apply their strength to.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:24
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KingKalamari posted:See, the obvious solution to the Strong Opponent Inflation problem is once your protagonist gets too powerful you have them get bored with what they're doing and pursue a new hobby. So once your shounen fighting protagonist has beaten the strongest martial artist in the world you then start having them train to be really good at needle point and they have to train to best the greatest needle-pointer in the world Gantz solved it by giving the guy a child
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Mar 22, 2023 15:27
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It's always great how evergreen Even a Monkey Can Draw Manga is.
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Mar 22, 2023 15:31
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Gantz solved it by giving the guy a child But then you'd have to watch Gantz and if I wanted to watch misery porn I'd turn off safe search and remove the word "misery" from my tags.
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