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RFC2324 posted:/\/\/\. Nope! Mich shadier Sounds like you have a lot of negotiating power then.
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Oh, that's gross. I decided against adding a joke about consent and hostile takeovers but I guess consent is more relevant than I realized.
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Winifred Madgers posted:Sounds like you have a lot of negotiating power then. I didn't get shut down when I said I walk without 6 figures, and wouldn't work til I get that in person meeting to work it out. I'm also fortunate to be in a position where I can actually walk and have the support I need, so it might be time to stay at home and play with my partners kiddo for a few months.
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Mar 22, 2023 18:04
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Dream job turned me down, big surprise. I have decided I'm completely unhirable. I'm going to retire from job hunting for a bit, I think.
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Mar 22, 2023 18:19
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A Frosty Witch posted:Dream job turned me down, big surprise. My wife is looking for an HR job and is getting to the same point, I feel your pain  The right fit is out there!
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Mar 22, 2023 18:21
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Sorry to hear that, Frosty Witch 
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Mar 22, 2023 19:00
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RFC2324 posted:I didn't get shut down when I said I walk without 6 figures, and wouldn't work til I get that in person meeting to work it out. A Frosty Witch posted:Dream job turned me down, big surprise.
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Mar 22, 2023 19:35
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Arquinsiel posted:If they try lowball you at like 110k be all "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to give you the impression that the most significant figure was "1". Stack that paper. I'm actually going to push other places, mostly "pay for my loving transition"
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Mar 22, 2023 19:54
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Guy Axlerod posted:When two companies love eachother very much, they can do a merger. The employees of the bought company can use this as an opportunity to negotiate. They can come along for the ride, bail out, or demand a raise and/or retention bonus. You don’t refer to that as ‘buying’ someone it’s usually just ‘my company is doing a merger’
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Mar 22, 2023 20:23
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RFC2324 posted:
loving lmao
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Mar 22, 2023 21:20
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seriously though that stealth emote change in that context so good. Just so good
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Mar 22, 2023 21:21
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i am a moron posted:You don’t refer to that as ‘buying’ someone it’s usually just ‘my company is doing a merger’ Yeah but the difference here is that the selling company essentially sold RFC as part of the merger, i.e. promised she and her knowledge would be part of the sale. I'd call that more selling someone than a merger, because they appear to have straight up said "yeah we're selling you this product and also the expertise of the employee who knows it best", without actually, y'know, consulting her upfront about it. Which absolutely puts her in the position to say "yeah the 10 of your $110k offer is fine but you're gonna need to increase the first digit thanks".
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Mar 22, 2023 23:41
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No I get that, that’s why I was curious about the phrasing.
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Mar 22, 2023 23:44
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i am a moron posted:No I get that, that’s why I was curious about the phrasing. It would be more accurate to say they sold a department off than a merger, tho it wasn't actually a department. The old company is still alive and kicking and being complete garbage
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Mar 23, 2023 17:31
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so technically you're a spinoff?
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RFC2324 Gaiden
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Mar 24, 2023 15:44
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Goddamn I’d have so much more money now if somebody told me that I was named as a buyout requirement. They dun hosed up letting you know, go get that scratch and whatever else ya need.
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Mar 24, 2023 15:51
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQrdKtPJxI0 Meanwhile, I am doing Security Awareness training where ~~insider threats~~ are nerds in black hoodies with red shades.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:10
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I ended up just refusing the offer, the job had already gotten to the point of routinely reducing me to tears. They tried to demand a letter of resignation, and I pointed out that I never worked for them in the first place. Time to be an automated housewife 
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Mar 24, 2023 16:32
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RFC2324 posted:
lmao, this is fantastic
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Mar 24, 2023 16:42
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Hell yeah. And sorry it did not work out, but it sounds like it's for the best. Wishing you a relaxing break and a good job search. I always thought your job sounded bad, you can do a lot better.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:44
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lmao that's great
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Mar 24, 2023 17:11
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Ahaha you torpedoed the deal and lost somebody a lot of money. Nice.
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Mar 24, 2023 17:28
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You love to see it.
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Mar 24, 2023 18:22
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If you don't mind me asking, what were they offering you? Did they think they can move your employment over like that and give you a pay cut in the process? Did they offer the same and are shocked you dared suggest a raise?
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Mar 24, 2023 18:25
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RFC2324 posted:They tried to demand a letter of resignation, and I pointed out that I never worked for them in the first place.
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Mar 24, 2023 20:12
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I mean if they wanna play that game, personally I'd love to write them a letter of resignation for myself.
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Arquinsiel posted:This is some stone cold poo poo and you're a badass. I mean you have to acknowledge somewhere, somehow that you’re being employed by a new company. When my last place sold our division the people that didn’t agree to move over just stopped being employed by anyone. There isn’t a mechanism in the US to do this totally against someone’s will
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i am a moron posted:I mean you have to acknowledge somewhere, somehow that you’re being employed by a new company. When my last place sold our division the people that didn’t agree to move over just stopped being employed by anyone. There isn’t a mechanism in the US to do this totally against someone’s will That depends entirely on the structure of the acquisition. It's entirely possible for your boss and entire management structure to be replaced without directly changing the entity who signs your paycheck and who you have an employment contract with. Nobody likes to do that because it's messy as hell, but it is doable. Depending on the state "gently caress you, I'm not signing that" would be a layoff, not quitting, because the business unit dissolved with the acquisition. Most employment lawyers will answer some questions for free, and everyone deserves a severance package. That's probably why HR wanted a resignation, because the resignation affirms the change in employment, then instantly ends it, preventing the "it's not a layoff, it's a merger" loophole they closed after the games they played in the 90s.
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Mar 24, 2023 22:54
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:That depends entirely on the structure of the acquisition. It's entirely possible for your boss and entire management structure to be replaced without directly changing the entity who signs your paycheck and who you have an employment contract with. Nobody likes to do that because it's messy as hell, but it is doable. RFC2324, go get yourself a lawyer and demand severance for bonus funemployment!
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Mar 24, 2023 22:58
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I tell you the thousands of dollars I get per month from my last job that is still going 4 months later is pretty nice.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:That depends entirely on the structure of the acquisition. It's entirely possible for your boss and entire management structure to be replaced without directly changing the entity who signs your paycheck and who you have an employment contract with. Nobody likes to do that because it's messy as hell, but it is doable. Yea I mean wholly owned subsidiaries are a thing. True mergers might not qualify either, I know my wife has been through a few and I don’t think they reoffer necessarily. You can’t just peel off part of a company and hand it to another company though. Even something as simple as health insurance can’t be worked out without interacting with an employee
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:That depends entirely on the structure of the acquisition. It's entirely possible for your boss and entire management structure to be replaced without directly changing the entity who signs your paycheck and who you have an employment contract with. Nobody likes to do that because it's messy as hell, but it is doable. Lol, “employment contract” in the US of A. At least for anything les than Veep. Edit: which RFC might have been! I don’t know.
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Darchangel posted:Lol, “employment contract” in the US of A. At least for anything les than Veep. Just because the contract says they can fire you for any reason or no reason doesn't make it less contractual. They can tell you that 'your new boss will be X', but they can't say 'your new employer will be Y' and actually do it without you signing something. Either side can zero notice quit the contact, but one side absolutely cannot renegotiate specific terms unilaterally. Basic US contract law prohibits that. Contracts with teeth that cut both ways don't start until you're in the equity bracket of leadership, or you're both extremely valuable (and management both knows it AND is willing to acknowledge it). Which is rare these days, when most companies will happily saw off their foot rather than deal fairly with someone with value to the company. i am a moron posted:Yea I mean wholly owned subsidiaries are a thing. True mergers might not qualify either, I know my wife has been through a few and I don’t think they reoffer necessarily. You can’t just peel off part of a company and hand it to another company though. Even something as simple as health insurance can’t be worked out without interacting with an employee Health Insurance on the employer side is a loving nightmare of bullshit, and you bet your rear end that everything involved with it lives and dies based on dozens of very specific terms and clauses, of which selling a division would 110% invalidate for those employees.
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Renegret posted:If you don't mind me asking, what were they offering you? Did they think they can move your employment over like that and give you a pay cut in the process? Did they offer the same and are shocked you dared suggest a raise? Business as usual, but with less benefits, and we will discuss future when they get done with everything else(a situation that I know means never)
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RFC2324 posted:Business as usual, but with less benefits, and we will discuss future when they get done with everything else(a situation that I know means never) How many other humans are they trying to drag along like this? I hope that they are able to do what you did and make this a clusterfuck for the purchaser.
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RFC2324 posted:we will discuss future when they get done with everything else(a situation that I know means never) ahh so "train your replacements so we can lay you off"
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If you negotiate don’t forget pto accrual, also a signing bonus is better than a raise if you don’t trust them. They need you to close the deal.
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Would it be unprofessional if I closed a ticket by saying it's so stupid it made my brain hurt? It took me 10 minutes to send the ticket back saying, what?, but I've spent over an hour trying to decipher what the ask is. They eventually got back to me with what's effectively a wildly incorrect definition of what a NAT is which only made things worse. $10 all the customer wants is to put the ISP gear into bridge mode so they can use their own router.
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Just because the contract says they can fire you for any reason or no reason doesn't make it less contractual. They can tell you that 'your new boss will be X', but they can't say 'your new employer will be Y' and actually do it without you signing something. Either side can zero notice quit the contact, but one side absolutely cannot renegotiate specific terms unilaterally. Basic US contract law prohibits that. Contracts at all don’t exist until one gets to the executive level. Literally every job I’ve ever had, admittedly all in Texas, so perhaps not the best example, explicitly stated in the HR paperwork that no one beside the CEO of the company had authority to even *make* a contract with employees. That said, no company can just… sell a job to another company, much less the employee. Renegret posted:Would it be unprofessional if I closed a ticket by saying it's so stupid it made my brain hurt? “Listen, all I want to do is <some wildly incorrect interpretation of something they read or heard on a tech channel>.”
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