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Voodoofly posted:Honestly it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a list of people that we nominate as resources for someone to talk to about any problems, potential problems, abuse, need for support, etc. and to have those people listed in the OP of every game so that you would (hopefully) be able to contact one or more of them that are not directly involved in the game itself and not worry about talking about a game out of game etc I'd be happy to participate in something like this and put it in the OP here at the very least
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chaoslord posted:Look as long as no one runs PopCon again we'll probably all be fine we could run it again but this time actually let me win the game and have everyone signing contracts saying so
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Mar 22, 2023 19:47
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Part of what makes Mafia a lot more inured to this stuff is that it's a social deduction game traitor game like Secret Hitler or Betrayal or, yes, Among Us, not a roleplaying game like Call of Cthulhu or D&D. Obviously there's crossover that exists somewhere out there, but mafia is basically the traitor game. Role flavor will almost always be similar to what you get in Secret Hitler or Among Us, with bespoke names and some fun flavor text, rather than, say, a PbtA game playbook, and gameplay is essentially just the same way you'd play Secret Hitler (trying to figure out who's lying, discussing connections, laughing at people) but expanded to a forum play-by-post structure. Discord is used because it's easier than giving everyone bespoke google sheets, mostly.
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Mar 22, 2023 19:47
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get Leperflesh to play a mafia game then report all their posts imo (this is a joke)
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Voodoofly posted:Honestly it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a list of people that we nominate as resources for someone to talk to about any problems, potential problems, abuse, need for support, etc. and to have those people listed in the OP of every game so that you would (hopefully) be able to contact one or more of them that are not directly involved in the game itself and not worry about talking about a game out of game etc This. I understand the impulse to insist we can take care of ourselves, and we probably can - in the few months I've been a part of this community I've grown to trust everyone I've played/modded/observed with - but the point of having this kind of infrastructure in place is to prevent bad actors from taking advantage of that trust. Having a point of contact not directly related to a specific running game would be a great way of setting that up.
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Mar 22, 2023 19:49
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Kashuno posted:get Leperflesh to play a mafia game then report all their posts imo (this is a joke) done.
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Mar 22, 2023 19:50
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I think the only solution is to formally make Ecco the leader
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Mar 22, 2023 19:51
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saladscooper posted:This. I understand the impulse to insist we can take care of ourselves, and we probably can - in the few months I've been a part of this community I've grown to trust everyone I've played/modded/observed with - but the point of having this kind of infrastructure in place is to prevent bad actors from taking advantage of that trust. Having a point of contact not directly related to a specific running game would be a great way of setting that up. Yeah this is about having tools that you don't anticipate ever needing but reasonable people aren't really gonna object to, it doesn't have to be made a huge deal of but maybe like one sentence in the OP right after you say "keep secret stuff secret no cheating no out of game talking about the game" you could also say "unless someone is being gross or abusive in which case of course tell on them immediately, tell the organizer or a mod or someone" and that'd be that?
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Mar 22, 2023 19:54
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Pinterest Mom posted:In terms of mafia-adjacent things that have the potential to be problematic, a lot of people in this community also occasionally play Forums Survivor or other similar games. Those are recruited off the forums and kinda "anchored" here, but do largely take place offsite. It's likely a good idea, especially given Wandering Woods had a couple of people in it who were more or less recruited and weren't familiar with the forums in general, so it'd be helpful to have those resources available for people who are mostly or completely new to SA.
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Jump King posted:I think the only solution is to formally make Ecco the leader The Big Game Queueen
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Mar 22, 2023 19:55
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The mafia community is very good at self governing and stopping anything bad from happening (except for the all the times bad things happened)
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Mar 22, 2023 19:58
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah this is about having tools that you don't anticipate ever needing but reasonable people aren't really gonna object to, it doesn't have to be made a huge deal of but maybe like one sentence in the OP right after you say "keep secret stuff secret no cheating no out of game talking about the game" you could also say "unless someone is being gross or abusive in which case of course tell on them immediately, tell the organizer or a mod or someone" and that'd be that? I like this idea and think it's worth including explicitly. It's easy for there to be confusion on what's okay to talk about (venting to an uninvolved person who will not share what you say to them, serious breaches of conduct/someone being loving gross) and what isn't (public discussion of the game, especially with other players, mechanical role specifics, pretty much whatever you think would ruin a traitor game), and I'd rather never need this but have it than need it and have someone get hurt but feel unable to say anything about it.
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Mar 22, 2023 20:00
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah this is about having tools that you don't anticipate ever needing but reasonable people aren't really gonna object to, it doesn't have to be made a huge deal of but maybe like one sentence in the OP right after you say "keep secret stuff secret no cheating no out of game talking about the game" you could also say "unless someone is being gross or abusive in which case of course tell on them immediately, tell the organizer or a mod or someone" and that'd be that? Would you be willing to be a point of contact outside the community for people who have issues within the community to come to? We will also have some in-community folks but it's not a bad thing to have a higher authority to be able to go to.
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Mar 22, 2023 20:00
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Voodoofly posted:Honestly it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a list of people that we nominate as resources for someone to talk to about any problems, potential problems, abuse, need for support, etc. and to have those people listed in the OP of every game so that you would (hopefully) be able to contact one or more of them that are not directly involved in the game itself and not worry about talking about a game out of game etc I'm all for this. If we need names, and apart from the mods themselves, I actually think Voodoo, Hal, Grandi, Opopanax as players that have been here a long time, know basically everyone around the old and new community and are reasonable, levelheaded people can all do a great work on that front. For newer, active people, Cloacamazing!, wologar and HyperCrabTank all started playing in the last year and all are also extremely reasonable people that can be trusted, IMO. Also nobody get offended I didn't list them, please, lol. Sandwolf and I take care of the Mafia Discord and both of us are more than willing to listen and help anyone as needed! BUT I feel this is better kept separate from us - concentrating all the control in the same people is never good.
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Voodoofly posted:Honestly it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a list of people that we nominate as resources for someone to talk to about any problems, potential problems, abuse, need for support, etc. and to have those people listed in the OP of every game so that you would (hopefully) be able to contact one or more of them that are not directly involved in the game itself and not worry about talking about a game out of game etc i agree. the lesson to be learned from the podima stuff imo is that the only reason it came to the full attention of people is that someone stepped up and spoke up about it. otherwise, it wouldve stayed quiet and potentially more issues couldve occured and more people couldve been hurt. making it clear what is and isnt permitted, and having people and resources available that can help people when things potentially do get out of hand, can help to make sure that if problems do arise, they can be quickly and safely resolved instead of quietly being ignored or obsfucated until someone decides to finally speak out.
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Shellception posted:I'm all for this. If we need names, and apart from the mods themselves, I actually think Voodoo, Hal, Grandi, Opopanax as players that have been here a long time, know basically everyone around the old and new community and are reasonable, levelheaded people can all do a great work on that front. For newer, active people, Cloacamazing!, wologar and HyperCrabTank all started playing in the last year and all are also extremely reasonable people that can be trusted, IMO. I support all of this. Obviously Shell and I are resources that you are more than welcome to use, but I am happy to be custodian of the discord and the mafia thread.
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Sandwolf posted:Would you be willing to be a point of contact outside the community for people who have issues within the community to come to? We will also have some in-community folks but it's not a bad thing to have a higher authority to be able to go to. I think this is a good idea, and might help remove the reluctance to talk about something about somebody in the community or about the community itself. Structurally, I think having communication largely visible by spectators and players no longer in the game helps a lot towards avoiding some negative outcomes. I don't know how explicit rules or requirements around that could be, but I do think that that being established as a community norm is helpful.
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Whistleblowing should be encouraged. There's a difference between spoiling game mechanics/character alignments and speaking up about uncomfortable content. I don't think anyone here would be upset if a player posted in a specific game thread or in this thread saying "Hey, this concept doesn't feel right/appropriate." I think almost everyone here is very reasonable too. If I included a description in a Mafia game that someone thought was insensitive, I would hope that someone would speak up and let me know. I don't think anyone here wants to make anyone else feel uncomfortable and unwelcome, and should that happen, it is a chance for the offending party to acknowledge, apologize, and grow as a person, making the community as a whole a better place. 
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Mordiceius posted:Whistleblowing should be encouraged. To this point, honestly, if someone's being actually lovely to you, making you uncomfortable, in any way causing you harm, not a single person in this community will give a poo poo if you blow the game up. Preventing the things I've just mentioned outweighs our "game integrity" rules by a magnitude of 10.
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Yeah, like, I can't fathom a Mafia game whose concepts are actually inappropiate for people to play, but I guess it could happen. It'd all be public for spectators anyway (unless it's like, a game using forum PMs maybe?) but even so, never hesitate to reach out, game integrity be loving damned, blow it up if needed. As a mod I'd rather have a blown up game than people getting hurt, tbh. Edit: and hell, it's really really rare, but we've had games blown up by people just getting sour grapes at being eliminated, and that's orders of magnitude less important.
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Shellception posted:Yeah, like, I can't fathom a Mafia game whose concepts are actually inappropiate for people to play, but I guess it could happen. It'd all be public for spectators anyway (unless it's like, a game using forum PMs maybe?) but even so, never hesitate to reach out, game integrity be loving damned, blow it up if needed. As a mod I'd rather have a blown up game than people getting hurt, tbh. The only inappropriate thing i remember is when i made the mistake of giving mills the ability to write his own kill flavor as an SK.
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Shellception posted:Yeah, like, I can't fathom a Mafia game whose concepts are actually inappropiate for people to play, but I guess it could happen. Well don’t dig super deep into the game archive cause there’s some doozies if you go back far enough. I think players have had a better track record about that in, say, the past decade. For example Mr. Steak got canned for a game with inappropriate content.
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Jump King posted:Well don’t dig super deep into the game archive cause there’s some doozies if you go back far enough. Steak wasn't running a Mafia game tho, it was a CYOA I think? No human players were involved, and welp, yeah, he earned that one.
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how do i remove stuff on vote finder if my vote finder account seems seperated from the account that actually records my games also can it delete old alias who runs this stuff these days because there is some stuff i want deleted
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Shellception posted:Steak wasn't running a Mafia game tho, it was a CYOA I think? No human players were involved, and welp, yeah, he earned that one. yeah it was a CYOA and didn't got past the OP
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Votefinder is an ongoing situation, the current maintainer isn't interested in maintaining it and there's been a lot of talk about epsilon/death cob for cutie taking over, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Shellception posted:Yeah, like, I can't fathom a Mafia game whose concepts are actually inappropiate for people to play, but I guess it could happen. i mean "lynch" and "hooker/prostitute" are common terms use in certain communities and have been use here in games, like jump king says you just need to go look for it
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Votefinder is an ongoing situation, the current maintainer isn't interested in maintaining it and there's been a lot of talk about epsilon/death cob for cutie taking over, but it hasn't happened yet. is there anyway to get name remove rn or is it just a thing of i need to wait, im fine with the later but it still bothers me to have stuff in there that misgenders me, sob sob
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Epsilon would be the one to say I guess but right now I don't think anyone who is active in this community actually has access to the database, so...
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Snooze Cruise posted:i mean "lynch" and "hooker/prostitute" are common terms use in certain communities and have been use here in games, like jump king says you just need to go look for it We’ve stepped away from “lynch” entirely and I’ve never seen the latter used here, though can’t say it doesn’t matter.
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Sandwolf posted:We’ve stepped away from “lynch” entirely and I’ve never seen the latter used here, though can’t say it doesn’t matter. oh i know im just pointing out hes right
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Snooze Cruise posted:is there anyway to get name remove rn or is it just a thing of i need to wait, im fine with the later but it still bothers me to have stuff in there that misgenders me, sob sob There is a way but I don't know how. We had to delete a player name that got aliased to another player name once and no one had powers, but I ain't sure how it was done.
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Snooze Cruise posted:oh i know im just pointing out hes right All valid points! Unlike people who think we shouldn’t use the term mafia because it’s anti-Italian.
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Lol https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3146744
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oh no
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Anyway haven’t read the last few pages but planning on launching [b] race war mafia[\b] any day nkw
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Piuro frees his slaves!, Day 1. Porcus the Wombat, Marylander Prostitute (Town / Pinkerton Lover, Northern Sympathzier), chopped to pieces Night 1. Tom Tucker, Rhode Islander Pinkerton Agent (Town Cop / Harlot Lover, Northern Sympathizer), committed suicide Night 1. EccoRaven, Virginian Gunsmith (Racist (Lyncher), Racist Sympathizer), sniped Day 3. Ardent, British Officer (Confederate Tourist / Harlot Lover, Southern Sympathizer), chopped to pieces Night 3
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t a s t e posted:Anyway haven’t read the last few pages but planning on launching [b] race war mafia[\b] any day nkw Sign me up, I’m a big fan of the Fast and Furious franchise
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