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glynnenstein posted:There are Kontakt-1 packages for T-55 series tanks, such as on the T-55AMV: Russian upgrade kits 
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psydude posted:Lmao at the tanks on tanks. Think they used a crane or did some drivers get to
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They're very, you know, soup-centric
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Arrath posted:Think they used a crane or did some drivers get to You know deep down they absolutely drove them up on top.
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Arrath posted:Similar to the Abrams vs Bradley friendly fire incidents in GW1, a modern (and that can probably be stretched back a ways) kinetic penetrator should have no problem blasting right through a T-55, sure. As you mention, spalling and other effects will make a through-and-through very unpleasant anyway. I found an estimated 490mm RHA penetration online for the Rhinemetall 120mm D11 HE round, so you can just direct fire loving 120mm HE at a T-55 and probably blow the front armor into the crew compartment at which point the turret will autotoss.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/KvotheTheArcane/status/1638314841487147008?t=IDQCkMsguldJkaaGBYjXJg&s=19 
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Alan Smithee posted:Is there even a protocol for tracking it ie "oh yeah the apache just shot these vehicles so be careful" or is it just "oh poo poo right yeah we used it here earlier. You already touched the scrap metal? Oh welp" For us it was, "There is dead armor up ahead. We need to clear it." A dead tank is a ready made fighting position, so that meant someone's happy rear end has to check it. There was no coordination, unless you called for the support, or it was organic to your maneuvers. I'm sure a professional military would give grids to battle damage teams with proper PPE and equipment. I have no doubt I will get some form of rare and lovely cancer. When I returned, my unit got flagged because on a list of 50 environmental factors such as burning oilfields, DU, various chemicals, and the like and we could legit check off every one of them, and then had to write in poo poo. The VA has me on burn pits and toxic shrapnel registries. I'm about 157% sure I consumed DU dust from my hands. I've explored bunkers and caches with ancient chemical and nerve agents that I would think were leaking. poo poo, I got called to the site of an IED blast that was a suspected chemical attack with no MOPP gear besides a mask (I recall it being laundry powder; other guys in the unit were told it was Mustard Gas agent. Pretty sure it was soap powder). And that's before we get into poo poo like routinely misusing chemicals, being elbow deep in solvents, or eating/inhaling aerosoled motor oil from the guns.
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Mar 22, 2023 17:50
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steinrokkan posted:Russian upgrade kits It's for masking its heat signature.
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psydude posted:I'm gonna come in with the hot take (lol) that anyone dealing with the smouldering wreckage of anything other than a bonfire should be wearing PPE. DU or not, the stuff burning in there is releasing a laughtastic amount of carcinogenic material. Ukraine Thread: DU or DU not
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Cannon_Fodder posted:The Z-Man has big ol' balls. The American comedian I can hear delivering the line, “I need ammunition, not a ride” and really meaning it is Robin Williams, for some reason. That man had a righteous anger in him.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/KvotheTheArcane/status/1638314841487147008?t=IDQCkMsguldJkaaGBYjXJg&s=19 They should join the RCN! Wait, no. It's full of silly people.
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Russia recruits Steven Seagal to teach martial arts to its soldiersquote:Steven Seagal, one of the icons of American action movies in the 1990s and early 2000s, has just opened an aikido centre in Moscow with the intention of preparing young Russians to join the Russian armed forces.
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I no poo poo want to fight Steven Seagal. No training camp, just let's go. We are close in size (he's fatter), so it could be fun. I'll donate my purse to charity. I just want to hurt him. I'm known to get rambunctious ideas painted with overconfidence, but I am 100% certain I would beat his painted hairline back to its natural seven head location. Besides, if I start to lose, I'll cheat.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I no poo poo want to fight Steven Seagal. No training camp, just let's go. We are close in size (he's fatter), so it could be fun. I'll donate my purse to charity. I just want to hurt him. Careful, in shoot fights if he starts to lose he shits himself as a deterrent to further aggression. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCMTpJx2cs
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bulletsponge13 posted:I no poo poo want to fight Steven Seagal. No training camp, just let's go. We are close in size (he's fatter), so it could be fun. I'll donate my purse to charity. I just want to hurt him. Wear a cup
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Fearless posted:Careful, in shoot fights if he starts to lose he shits himself as a deterrent to further aggression. Not if you poo poo yourself first!
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psydude posted:I'm gonna come in with the hot take (lol) that anyone dealing with the smouldering wreckage of anything other than a bonfire should be wearing PPE. DU or not, the stuff burning in there is releasing a laughtastic amount of carcinogenic material. Ding ding ding! I deal with wreckage a fair bit professionally and anything that caught fire at any point, you should wear a respirator at the very least.
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Like hell I'll shave for a fit test. At this point I'm banking on vat grown replacement lungs being available by the time I develop silicosis.
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Cannon_Fodder posted:The Z-Man has big ol' balls. I can see Al Franken stepping up.
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crusty posted:I can see Al Franken stepping up. Al Franken got cancelled for air squeezing boobs meanwhile Seagal is probably literally buying sex slaves
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Fearless posted:Careful, in shoot fights if he starts to lose he shits himself as a deterrent to further aggression. Fine, I'll poo poo my pants so things are still even. He's a loving bully who loves to run his mouth. He's exactly the type of person I don't feel bad hurting. According to various sources, if he thinks you can fight, or that you will fight back, he backs down real quick. I still want to see him an Van Damme fight, or pay money to watch Michael Jai White beat him so hard his ancestors have broken noses.
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Fearless posted:Careful, in shoot fights if he starts to lose he shits himself as a deterrent to further aggression. This was amazing
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chupacabraTERROR posted:They're very, you know, soup-centric New thread title
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The only reason Seagal has any relevance at all is because Putin is either amused by him or still likes him. Give him time, Seagal has the nasty habit of pissing people off left and right, and has an ego three or four times the size of his huge head. I doubt he'll get defenestrated but as soon as his patron has to seriously start to defend his position, Seagal will probably be amongst the first things to go.
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Jarmak posted:New thread title Souphoi Blyat
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A Festivus Miracle posted:The only reason Seagal has any relevance at all is because Putin is either amused by him or still likes him. Give him time, Seagal has the nasty habit of pissing people off left and right, and has an ego three or four times the size of his huge head. I doubt he'll get defenestrated but as soon as his patron has to seriously start to defend his position, Seagal will probably be amongst the first things to go. Username/Post combo
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Well at least that french potatonose and other Putin posterboy Gerard Depardieu had the sense to flunk off from Russia before overcommitting to the tax and law evasion made possible with the Russian passport, unlike what Seagal did.
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What's funny about the Russian T-55s is that the Ukrainians apparently got some of these from Slovenia, which look way more capable than whatever 'upgrade' package the Russians end up slapping on theirs: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/12/10/super-upgraded-m-55s-tanks-have-arrived-in-ukraine/?sh=38f417563134 ERA, engine replacement, Israeli-built L7 105mm main gun and upgraded digital sights/ballistic computer.
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psydude posted:You know deep down they absolutely drove them up on top. i want to know the record for tallest non-craned tank stack now
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Herstory Begins Now posted:i want to know the record for tallest non-craned tank stack now With all the ones they blew up, when the war's over they could package 10 to a box and sell it as a children's game.
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does it count for height if the stack starts at the bottom of a swamp?
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quote:In 2021, Seagal presented Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro with a samurai sword on behalf of the Russian Foreign Ministry. That's such a weird choice for a gift.
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bulletsponge13 posted:OK, I was trained how to hunt and kill tanks, but very little about their biology. Not very. The most modernized versions have some version of ERA or FCS or laser rangefinding. The problem, as with a lot of USSR/Soviet upgrade programs, they would only upgrade a few thousand at a time, then later come up with other upgrade packages, so you now have multiple different versions of these tanks on the record. There was a version of the 55 that was tested in the 80s or 90s that even elongated the hull*, upgraded the armor, and put the Soviet smoothbore gun on it among other upgrades but it never went anywhere. I've seen wildly different numbers for what the numbers are. The base T-54 was an impressive tank for the late '40s when it comes to armor and armament, but it's got the problem of crew amenities, no turret basket, crew safety issues, and overtaxed mechanics. This thing has no place on a modern battlefield against something like a T-64 or T-72, and is appalling when Ukraine is being armed with Abrams, Leopard 2, Challenger 2, etc. A Festivus Miracle posted:I remember reading some ex tanker on Reddit arguing the one advantage that a WW2 Era Tank would have over a modern one is that modern HEAT rounds would overpen the tank and fly out the other side. I don't actually think that's true, but with how unbelievably cramped the T-34-85 is, I imagine that even if that scenario were actually true, just the spalling from the impact would kill everyone inside before we even considering the reality of a hypersonic needle of a HEAT round zipping through a turret. Yeah. There's way more that can kill a tank even just beyond the obvious. The amount of pure force and pressure that a modern kinetic or explosive round puts onto a target will shred an old tank apart along every seam, down to the electronics. Overpenning still means penning, and never mind the explosive force, that penetrator is going to go straight through anyone or anything in its path. Even a non-penetrating shot against certain targets can hit hard enough to make something in the internals go "nah gently caress it" and break. Some HESH rounds are historically known to defeat T-54/55/62 tanks. bulletsponge13 posted:The biggest issue is individual exposure, not environmental. The DU turns to a fine kinda dust that coats the carcass and requires PPE. It's not a lot, but it is a known risk. Right again, yeah. Modern armor will shear down a kinetic penetrator into countless tiny pieces, and psydude and Festivus were both right that there's plenty of other stuff in a tank that's not great to be exposed to, especially if it's breathed in or absorbed. I had to raise holy hell at one of my last jobs where we made ceramics because the laborers were refusing to wear gloves while handling the raw or binded powders. Even when they would wear gloves, they'd do dumb poo poo like pull the gloves off by tugging on each individual finger with their mouths. You can guess how the COVID mandates went, there. *the USSR/Russia was always elongating hulls starting with the T-80, almost like the T-64 being so built around its autoloader was a dead-end. I agree that the 64 had revolutionary features, but I really don't buy the long-term hype with that tank.
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EasilyConfused posted:That's such a weird choice for a gift. Indeed. The connotation is 'You have failed. Do the needful.'
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seen a sub 1 minute turn around from 'what are you a loving pussy' to the guy saying that standing unmasked in a literal cloud of asbestos
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psydude posted:I'm gonna come in with the hot take (lol) that anyone dealing with the smouldering wreckage of anything other than a bonfire should be wearing PPE. DU or not, the stuff burning in there is releasing a laughtastic amount of carcinogenic material. No problem, just sign up on the website and everything will work out fine!
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EasilyConfused posted:That's such a weird choice for a gift. Dude’s the dictionary pic for Mall Ninja
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Herstory Begins Now posted:seen a sub 1 minute turn around from 'what are you a loving pussy' to the guy saying that standing unmasked in a literal cloud of asbestos I used to work in a nuclear power plant when I was an undergraduate, and firsthand saw the hauling meatheads insulting my maintenance crew for being "limpdicked noodle arms" for not being able to carry a semi-filled 40 litre container of waste water to the waste processing plant. They were hugging, lifting and tossing it around to each other while laughing at us in the "cleaning crew". ..Except that container, as mentioned in the work order I filed earlier, was filled with highly radioactive water and other residue collected from the cooling system filtering pools, and we needed those guys since they were the only ones certified to operate the cargo crane and 2-stage lock between the reactor hall and the maintenance tunnels. Taking it through the service building would have been a radiation spread incident. Hopefully those meatheads liked showering and sweating in the de-con sauna together.
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Rabe Radbury posted:Indeed. The connotation is 'You have failed. Do the needful.' Well, this would be true before the standardization of the seppuku procedure, or if it happened under field conditions/threat of capture. For ritual seppuku it was always a tanto that was used.
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