[Ukraine] can lose. And it should lose, for the sake of the world & for its own sake.

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DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

OctaMurk posted:

$650 per km, like for everyone that was part of the operation, divided up amongst them? How do they decide whos eligible ?

Sitreps, claim forms to payroll. You know the usual boring ways.

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:45

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# ? May 10, 2024 11:59

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

BrotherJayne posted:

https://twitter.com/jmvasquez1974

interesting

its gone

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:46

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

Vomik posted:

the one flying without its transponders on? yeah probably innocent

Flying around in international airspace is just part of international flight law and standard practice. Given that the Russian pilot screwed up rather than shooting at the US drone, the US didn�t make a huge stink about it.

Also, the MQ-9 was squawking and being tracked by public companies and accounts. Usually, the US keeps those on for Reapers in international airspace because they aren�t stealthy anyway and it increases basic safety of flight and avoiding collisions or making other countries jumpy. This time, someone miscalculated anyway, but that was probably unintended Flanker pilot error rather than a deliberate state action.

Probably as the reaper flights resume, we see standard or even aggressive intercepts but not more collisions.

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Seems to me that if you decide to run reconnaissance drones around the same flight path as ukraine attack drones then you ought to get those drones blown up and not be a pissy little gently caress about it

I think you have a poor grasp of the geography of the Black Sea region. I doubt Ukraine flies any drones 50+ of miles south of Crimea. That would make the Ukrainian drones easier to detect and take them pretty far off target.

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:47

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

euphronius posted:

can anyone explain how the nyt does not see these issues to be related

what does �instead of� there mean ??

i'm more interested in why they think it's worth reporting that a country doesn't want to be 'contained'

what's the implication here? That they should be ok with it?

gently caress mainstream news is an op even if its not actually on purpose, it fucks with my brain

Regarde Aduck has issued a correction as of 23:52 on Mar 22, 2023

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:50

Dr. Jerrold Coe: Feb 6, 2021; Is it me?

Frosted Flake posted:

Has anyone heard of this?

The Secret War Against Sweden: US and British Submarine Deception in the 1980s

Following the stranding of a Soviet Whiskey-class submarine in 1981 on the Swedish archipelago, a series of massive submarine intrusions took place within Swedish waters.

However, the evidence for these appears to have been manipulated or simply invented. Classified documents and interviews point to covert Western, rather than Soviet activity. This is backed up by former US Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who stated that Western "testing" operations were carried out regularly in Swedish waters. Royal Navy submarine captains have also admitted to top-secret operations.

Ola Tunander's revelations make it clear that the United States and Britain ran a "secret war" in Swedish waters. The number of Swedes perceiving the Soviet Union as a direct threat increased from 5-10 per cent in 1980 to 45 per cent in 1983. This Anglo-American "secret war" was aimed at exerting political influence over Sweden. It was a risky enterprise, but perhaps the most successful covert operation of the entire Cold War.

e: Book is on libgen

I know about this because Milton Leitenberg wrote a book about how it was totally the Soviets you guys, believe me. Who is Leitenberg? He's the guy who pops up whenever American BW in Korea is in the news, he's got some phony secret Russian documents that "prove" it was all a Chinese/Korean lie. Total hack for whatever lines the empire needs in a given moment.

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:52

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Vomik posted:

yeah I know. it�s actually quite sad I probably shouldn�t mock it

this applies to virtually every aspect of this damned war, yet we must forge on

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:54

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

PawParole posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/_night_brain__/status/1638588844063825946

Just a reminder of the scale of things, in 2008 the US was offering $80k as a sign up bonus for military truck drivers

They were offering $20k just to sign up to the reserves / national guard in any MOS

Cao Ni Ma has issued a correction as of 23:58 on Mar 22, 2023

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:55

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1638671178788397057?s=20

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1638622680524922889?s=20

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:55

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

remember in the Superman movie where they try to follow him home with a drone. that was hosed up of them to do. if they'd do that to Superman they'd do it to Russia

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:56

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1638671178788397057?s=20

oh, a preview of the wars of 2035

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:56

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

indigi posted:

oh, a preview of the wars of 2035

I imagine they don't want to let too much water build up behind the dam in case Ukraine to blow it.

# ? Mar 22, 2023 23:59

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Apparently dunking that reaper came with a 5 months pay, based on the medal awarded.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:01

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

paul_soccer12 posted:

https://twitter.com/sopjap/status/1638483344060043264

I keep saying this - the collapse of the USSR is one of the greatest humanitarian disasters of the modern world and we�re still living in its aftermath.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:03

BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

Regarde Aduck posted:

its gone

Wonder if the moneys gone too?

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:04

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

The one bright side of the fall of USSR is that the Chinese communists learned from that failure.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:14

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Endman posted:

I keep saying this - the collapse of the USSR is one of the greatest humanitarian disasters of the modern world and we’re still living in its aftermath.

Humanitarian disaster makes it sound like it wasn't an intentional genocide by the US

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:21

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

The soviets are responsible for some of their failures. They didn't have to gently caress up in all of the ways that they did.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:23

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Lostconfused posted:

The soviets are responsible for some of their failures. They didn't have to gently caress up in all of the ways that they did.

Lmao

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:25

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; Gleichheit soll gedeihen

Lostconfused posted:

The soviets are responsible for some of their failures. They didn't have to gently caress up in all of the ways that they did.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:25

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

SorePotato posted:

Humanitarian disaster makes it sound like it wasn't an intentional genocide by the US

It wasn�t an intentional genocide insofar as the US just didn�t care about the human cost of their pillaging one war or another.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:26

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Lostconfused posted:

The soviets are responsible for some of their failures. They didn't have to gently caress up in all of the ways that they did.

it's true

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:26

Cuttlefush: Jan 15, 2014; Gleichheit soll gedeihen

indigi posted:

it's true

marge.png

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:27

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Endman posted:

It wasn�t an intentional genocide insofar as the US just didn�t care about the human cost of their pillaging one war or another.

eh I think that counts as intentional. if you know an action is going to cause genocide-like consequences and undertake it anyway, even if the consequences are an unwanted byproduct, that's intentionality

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:27

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

The US wasn't built on genocide bc they weren't trying to kill everyone they just wanted the land

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:28

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

I guess the good news is that flights have resumed without either the US or Russia flipping poo poo over it.

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1636686988903428096?s=20

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:33

Endman: May 18, 2010; That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die

Like, don�t get me wrong, if the results are the same it�s just as bad. I just think the term includes a level of intentionality, that you�re deliberately trying to exterminate an ethnic group.

It�s one of the reasons there�s so much debate over the Holodomor; if it�s going to be considered a genocide there needs to be established intent on behalf of the Soviet government to inflict that harm directly and for the reason of ethnic cleansing.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:35

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3: Nov 15, 2003

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/NPR/status/1638671178788397057?s=20

1932: Stalin eats all the grain.

2023: Putin drinks all the water.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:36

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

if capitalism gave up in 1917 none of this would have been a problem so I blame capitalism 100%

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:37

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Endman posted:

Like, don�t get me wrong, if the results are the same it�s just as bad. I just think the term includes a level of intentionality, that you�re deliberately trying to exterminate an ethnic group.

are you suggesting a category of involuntary genocide

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:40

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/starsandstripes/status/1638686997446262786?s=20

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:42

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

why will it take 6 months to get the tanks there

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:42

euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Endman posted:

Like, don�t get me wrong, if the results are the same it�s just as bad. I just think the term includes a level of intentionality, that you�re deliberately trying to exterminate an ethnic group.

It�s one of the reasons there�s so much debate over the Holodomor; if it�s going to be considered a genocide there needs to be established intent on behalf of the Soviet government to inflict that harm directly and for the reason of ethnic cleansing.

intent is 100% an element as it is in almost all crimes

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:44

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Lostconfused posted:

The one bright side of the fall of USSR is that the Chinese communists learned from that failure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:48

Vomik: Jul 29, 2003; This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

euphronius posted:

intent is 100% an element as it is in almost all crimes

since the us was in the process of committing an international felony, intent does not matter

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:50

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Megamissen posted:

this is like the scene in elvis but in reverse

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:50

DancingShade: Jul 26, 2007; by Fluffdaddy

indigi posted:

why will it take 6 months to get the tanks there

They're all completely hosed and need an army of technicians to overhaul them to a state where they can leave a vehicle bay under their own power.

# ? Mar 23, 2023 00:54

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

hmmm i was p baked but i thought the gym photos that he was posting in the succ zone during his weird meltdown were of a white guy? probably misremembering.
probably an op. :rznv: