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Uglycat posted:Buckys' right, tho Please don't bullshit as if you aren't one of his biggest cheerleaders.
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ashpanash posted:Please don't bullshit as if you aren't one of his biggest cheerleaders. Oh no, you figured me out - i genuinely find his narrative to be convincing!
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Uglycat posted:I read it, in full. It's well researched, well reasoned, and very readable. I find the case compelling. Aren't you the poster that takes credit for starting Anonymous and Occupy Wallstreet? Were you a source for that article?
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Uglycat posted:Oh no, you figured me out - i genuinely find his narrative to be convincing! There's not even a narrative, there's a loose sketch of assumed relationships and images without context, and it's so poorly written that there's not even a viable introduction or summation to explain what the hell this 'narrative' is actually about. Is it about who was "Q?" It's not that. Is it about right-wing assholes feeding off of and both indirectly and in some ways directly supporting a community of people who make poo poo up? Wow, real loving breaking news here. ashpanash fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Well, here it is, the full story of how all this started and who was actually behind it, right down to the specific people who were in the room when it was conceived. I like how you use the pronoun we, very suggestive given you wrote this alone. Also really like the profusion of styles and fonts, really makes you come across as sane and reasonable and then you lead off with the illuminati haha no wonder you are banned from this thread. Cuz uh, we're supposed to be making fun of Qanon, not uh, doing it.
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Jesus. Do y'all go whole hog internet detective against every poster that becomes convinced by the evidence that flynn prince etc invented the weaponized arg that furthers the aims of flynn prince etc?
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Uglycat posted:Jesus. Do y'all go whole hog internet detective against every poster that becomes convinced by the evidence that flynn prince etc invented the weaponized arg that furthers the aims of flynn prince etc? Arguably the whole loving point of this thread is "don't try to be an internet detective, literally everyone is loving bad at it." So a whole loving novel showing the vast internet detective work that amounts to gently caress all is going to get rightfully mocked.
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ashpanash posted:Arguably the whole loving point of this thread is "don't try to be an internet detective, literally everyone is loving bad at it." /that's/ what you get out of the qanon thread?
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Uglycat posted:/that's/ what you get out of the qanon thread? That people are bad at internet? YES for the love of god YES
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ashpanash posted:That people are bad at internet? I think you're burying the lede.
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I read the whole thing and it gave me diarrhea
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bird with big dick posted:I read the whole thing and it gave me diarrhea Correlation =/= causation
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LMAO check out Bucky's newest entry in the Leper's Colony. For six years, you have been asking: Who is Q? This is Q speaking. I am the man who loves to post.
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Uglycat posted:Correlation =/= causation Happened to me too. How many more before it becomes a pattern?
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I feel like I've said this a million times before and I'll say it a million times again "Q" doesn't matter. Yeah he's probably part of a broader scheme to foster ultra-nationalist movements by Russian troll farms, and he may very well be Flynn or someone else close to Trump. What matters are the thousand or so Q "interpreters" and their million or so fans who have never been to 8chan, have no direct ties to the modern Republican party, and just believe this poo poo because they want to believe it.
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SlurredSpeech609 posted:Happened to me too. How many more before it becomes a pattern? It's clearly a conspiracy, and it goes all the way to the top. Here, let me walk you through it. It begins long ago, on the desk of Leonardo Da Vinci...
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MadJackal posted:Silver nitrate is used on a disposable swab to clean and seal umbilical cords on newborns.
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I loosely skimmed it and I saw a lot of "It sure seems like this person did it, therefore it's conclusive proof that this person did it!" before I tapped out. Also lol at "He said there would be an October surprise and there was!" being cited as proof that it couldn't be a random shitposter.
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ashpanash posted:Arguably the whole loving point of this thread is The point of this thread is to debate and discuss things that relate to Qanon. I didn't barge into Pet Island, or a local cycling group. I didn't even interrupt a conversation in here, the thread has been dead for 3 months. The people who click on it presumably have some interest in Qanon, so they may be curious to hear the story of how it all actually started. If you're not, that's fine, you are free to go about your day. You're being really weird and rude to someone who is doing nothing other than offering you information for your consideration. This isn't 4Chan or Facebook, or even FYAD. This is Debate & Discussion, on the Something Awful Forums, which for all its faults is one of the only place on the internet with some standards. I made a very specific claim, identifying who actually created Qanon, right down to the exact people in the exact room when it was conceived. Which unless you can show me where it's been reported before, is in fact breaking news. To be fair, it was buried in a massive piece, so here it is:  The case to support that claim is made in the rest of the article. Again, you are welcome to debate or discuss or query any of it, and present the case for your alternative thesis. But you haven't actually made an argument. All you've said is: ashpanash posted:loose sketch of assumed relationships and images without context Which images lack context. Which relationships are unclear. Be specific. There's 22,000 words there, which ones are you accusing of being false. Find a single paragraph, or sentence even, that you take issue with, and explain why it's wrong. Twelve by Pies posted:I loosely skimmed it and I saw a lot of "It sure seems like this person did it, therefore it's conclusive proof that this person did it!" before I tapped out. Here we go, this is a little bit closer at least, but it’s still not accurate. Because that’s not actually what I say. See how you’re having to misrepresent it? That’s a strawman. Why didn’t you just quote what I actually said? Would that have been more difficult for you to dispute? So you rephrased it in a way that made it easier for you to reject? What it actually says is: "In July, FBIanon also says: “More leaks will come. The time is not right yet. Expect an October Surprise.” Which sounds a lot more like a confident claim than a lucky guess. It gives us a strong indication that they did in fact have inside knowledge. Not of the FBI case, but of the shady back-channel to Wikileaks that Roger Stone boasted about." So no, maybe you can't take that as proof on its own. But it also has the same exact focus as Bannon's book, is an extremely effective digital general, told people to look for codewords, and fits in with exactly what Posobiec, Prince, Stone and Flynn were doing. At which point the p-value of the null hypothesis of all that leading to nothing and FBIanon being entirely unrelated is pretty small. Unless you want to dispute that, right? In which case go ahead, make your case, that's exactly why we're here. You think it's more likely that all of that happened, but FBIanon was something completely different? Cool, what's your evidence. There is a version that's 10,000 words shorter if anyone would prefer. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Weren't there multiple points where it was very obvious that someone new took over as Q? I feel like that allows for "Q was originally some rando shitposter" and "Q is some sort of high level guy deliberately doing this poo poo" to not be contradictory statements.
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:Weren't there multiple points where it was very obvious that someone new took over as Q? I feel like that allows for "Q was originally some rando shitposter" and "Q is some sort of high level guy deliberately doing this poo poo" to not be contradictory statements. Yes. After Defango’s meeting with Jack and the douche-bros, the LARP quickly took on a life of its own. It changed hands a bunch of times, but it was doing the same basic thing — energising the MAGA movement with a Military Insider dropping cryptic clues to a crazy conspiracy — so job done.
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There’s literally always something that gets called an October surprise
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bird with big dick posted:There’s literally always something that gets called an October surprise Yes, hence the use of the phrase.
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Hence, it wasn’t a confident claim, or even a lucky guess, it was something that literally always happens. It’s like a psychic saying “do you know someone who’s name starts with P?”
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They didn't say "Something surprising might happen in October". They said "More leaks will come. The time is not yet right." So sure, maybe a lucky guess. But in context with everything else, it reads a lot more like a confident claim. e - So, is that post consistent with FBIanon being linked to these people? Absolutely, 100%. Is that post consistent with FBIanon being an unrelated random? Possibly, I suppose, if they were lucky. But given everything else that we know, the former is more likely. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 15:20 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Mods are scared of you bucky, yoi were right about everything
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Mods are scared of you bucky, yoi were right about everything I think this one has been cracked wide open. The real Q was SA mods all along. Mind. Blown.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wasn't Bucky threatened with a perma for this poo poo? They’ll do anything to keep the truth from coming out.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I loosely skimmed it and I saw a lot of "It sure seems like this person did it, therefore it's conclusive proof that this person did it!" before I tapped out. bucky just posts the same red-string conspiracy brained nonsense, but against Q except in favor of Q. otherwise its the same kind of unnecessarily verbose and circumstantial argumentation that tries to substitute an actual conclusion with bludgeoning the reader into compliance by sheer weight of effort. instead of proving any conclusion the author simply stacks piles of screenshots near each other and hopes that you leap to the same conclusions they did. it's not an argument which is capable of persuading anyone who doesn't already buy into it just to point to something specific, i scrolled down past the explanation of the illuminati (lmao) and randomly stopped on this bit about joe mccarthy quote:And just as surely, the Capitalists were going to complain about it. This was another intolerable threat to their business. They’d spent enough money trying to control their own government thank you very much, they didn’t need to add some “Global” thing into the mix. So they made it their mission to undermine its legitimacy however they could. And as you may be able to guess, the “Conspiracy Narrative” was going to have a big role to play in accomplishing that. historians pretty much regard mccarthy as a wildly inappropriate (and alcoholic) opportunist who burnished his own political star by making insane accusations of communist infiltration. a deplorable man to be sure, and indicative of the long running american suspicion of devious russian communism infiltrating american society, but its not like anyone had to pull this dude's strings for him to realize that he could personally benefit from calling everyone communists - and he eventually went too far and was disgraced for it, before dying of liver failure bucky positions mccarthy instead as a deliberate capitalist plot to build support for themselves by unleashing mccarthy on the population to purposefully stir up anti-communist sentiment for their own ends. this is conspiracy brained nonsense that simply substitutes "the capitalists" for Q or "the jews" or whatever bullshit, i'm not reading more of this garbage to pick it apart - every time i've tried it has been fundamentally unrewarding and a waste of time Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:bucky just posts the same red-string conspiracy brained nonsense, but against Q except in favor of Q. otherwise its the same kind of unnecessarily verbose and circumstantial argumentation that tries to substitute an actual conclusion with bludgeoning the reader into compliance by sheer weight of effort. instead of proving any conclusion the author simply stacks piles of screenshots near each other and hopes that you leap to the same conclusions they did. it's not an argument which is capable of persuading anyone who doesn't already buy into it Insofar as there is no difference between independent journalists and "bakers", yeah, you're right
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“Look, all you are required to do is read my 22000 word screed and debate it point by point and if you can’t find a single thing wrong with it, the entire thing is true. This is definitely not a gish gallop in written form” - a sane person
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:this is conspiracy brained nonsense that simply substitutes "the capitalists" for Q or "the jews" or whatever bullshit, i'm not reading more of this garbage to pick it apart - every time i've tried it has been fundamentally unrewarding and a waste of time Even in his own shorter "proof" image it ends with this. quote:They're all notorious poo poo talkers, but even when taken with a shovel full of salt, the broad strokes seem to mostly check out. He's made up this elaborate theory and then demands you have an equally crazy one to call it nonsense.
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