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I was going back and forth trying to figure out how the cards were different and didn't realize they were just different treatments. I'm a fool.
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Vigilance on animated land? At least is not immediately counterspell mana
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Mar 24, 2023 16:12
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AngryBooch posted:
This looks really cool
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Mar 24, 2023 16:14
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AngryBooch posted:
wow this is gonna be a powerhouse I feel like. doesn't protect itself on turn 3 but 5 loyalty that early is a lot. After that a 3/3 vigilance that can tap for mana after if you need it to is quite good.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:14
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AngryBooch posted:
Does "Mill three cards." without a target mean you can only mill yourself? If not, ending up with someone else's card in your hand is unusual.
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Arivia posted:Does "Mill three cards." without a target mean you can only mill yourself? If not, ending up with someone else's card in your hand is unusual. It does mean that, other wise it would be "target player mills...."
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Mar 24, 2023 16:16
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Arivia posted:Does "Mill three cards." without a target mean you can only mill yourself? If not, ending up with someone else's card in your hand is unusual. yes it means only you. If it allowed you to target an opponent it would say 'target player' or 'target opponent'
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Mar 24, 2023 16:16
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Rinkles posted:What’s a world tree? It's a motif shared by a number of old religions and mythologies of a really big tree that supports the world and the heavens and is the connecting conduit between them. In MtG, Kaldheim has a World Tree based on Yggdrasil from Norse mythology. The Phyrexians studied it and created their own World Tree called Realmbreaker to use as a tool to invade other planes. Wrenn has now apparently wrested control of Realmbreaker from the Phyrexians.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:23
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Kashuno posted:wow this is gonna be a powerhouse I feel like. doesn't protect itself on turn 3 but 5 loyalty that early is a lot. After that a 3/3 vigilance that can tap for mana after if you need it to is quite good. The land stays a creature until your next turn. It can block, and can't even be doom bladed to make way for your attack.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:26
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VictualSquid posted:The land stays a creature until your next turn. It can block, and can't even be doom bladed to make way for your attack. It doesn't untap the land, so on turn 3 it's not protection.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:27
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Yeah but you'd need to have 4 lands (or a treasure) to have an untapped land that can block after you cast Efb
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Mar 24, 2023 16:29
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Mar 24, 2023 16:30
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REALLY makes the new Elspeth look boring.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:47
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I'm sure this isn't going to be a problematic card.
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Mar 24, 2023 16:56
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New Wrenn for a new less red Atraxa deck? Weren't story was cool, afraid we are going to lose her in Aftermath, but still hope not one of the characters I like most so far. They're definitely going to try and stick Phyrexia in the purgatory bubble or whatever. Just a matter of Wrenn and Realmbreaker get to survive. The Ravnica story I started glossing over, anyone who would get romantic with Jace is garbage and I'm really disappointed they aren't both confirmed dead yet. I might be interested in her pathos but my introduction to her is completing Jace and I can't shake her Jace association.
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Mar 24, 2023 17:06
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I'm not really sure that card is that good. It reads nicely at first glance but I don't get what kind of deck that slots into, and I don't see the static ability as that useful because if you build your deck around having access to that you're asking for trouble since PWs never survive long. It literally reads to me: -2 to draw a card, dies I'm always hilariously off with planeswalker evaluations though so who knows. mikeraskol fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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mikeraskol posted:I'm not really sure that card is that good. It reads nicely at first glance but I don't get what kind of deck that slots into, and I don't see the static ability as that useful because if you build your deck around having access to that you're asking for trouble since PWs never survive long. I think it's more interesting than good, but weird cards can be a bit surprising.
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Mar 24, 2023 17:23
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If I hadn't abandoned Giant Lady tree commander deck, this new Wrenn would definitely go in there. Are there enough animateable lands in standard for a land attack deck?
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Don't overlook the static ability as its quite good on its own.
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mikeraskol posted:I'm not really sure that card is that good. It reads nicely at first glance but I don't get what kind of deck that slots into... I think Fritzler is right - it very obviously can go into Greasefang, which values the mill, the fixing, and the way to generate threats in the face of graveyard hate, if you're whiffing on the combo, or just flooding a bit. There's always a question of what to cut, though. One of the mill cards, probably. It might be an upgrade over Witherbloom Command. Wrenn gives pressure, hypothetically more mill, higher quality mill (since you can get the rat in addition to lands). But you lose the incidental ability to blow up tiny things, and, more importantly, you're lowering your chance to hit the turn 3 P2. Boxman fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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It might be good in 4c money pile decks in modern, maybe I feel like it's incredibly close, but the fact that it pairs up so nicely with W6 giving you fetch lands to animate as an attacker/blocker that you can sac for a land to avoid combat damage seems very strong. And clearly in modern ulting her just completely ends the game, even putting aside nonsense like "now you get infinite card draw with mishra's bauble" It also completely destroys blood moon as an avenue of attack against those decks, since not only can they fetch as many basics as they'd like, but new wrenn makes those basics rainbow lands Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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If Realmbreaker is a Phyrexian World Tree, wouldn't merging with it also turn Wrenn Phyrexian? I figured she would have used a portal to go to Kaldheim's tree and merge with that one. Poor Seven, got artificially aged by Teferi and then kinda did nothing. 
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Mar 24, 2023 17:41
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Boxman posted:I think Fritzler is right - it very obviously can go into Greasefang, which values the mill, the fixing, and the way to generate threats in the face of graveyard hate, if you're whiffing on the combo, or just flooding a bit. There's always a question of what to cut, though. One of the mill cards, probably. It might be an upgrade over Witherbloom Command. Wrenn gives pressure, hypothetically more mill, higher quality mill (since you can get the rat in addition to lands). But you lose the incidental ability to blow up tiny things, and, more importantly, you're lowering your chance to hit the turn 3 P2. I don't know that it would replace witherbloom command, since every mode of that card is useful. It removes x/1 creatures like llanowar elves, it destroys pretty much every gy hate permanent except leyline of the void, and it finds combo pieces. I think a 3 mana permanent that just exists to help find the combo isn't good enough. It has to also be good on its own, like wedding invitation or lilliana of the veil. Maybe a sideboard card when you go midrange
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Mar 24, 2023 17:42
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I think Melina gave her a vaccine booster beforehand.
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AngryBooch posted:
i have no capacity to evaluate this card. its interesting that it doesnt generate any mana. the minus isnt regrowth (thank god) but looking at 3 cards on a -2 for a 3 mana planeswalker is very strong. the biggest problem, i think, is that it straight up just does not protect itself if you tap out for it.
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Mar 24, 2023 17:56
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MasterBuilder posted:I'm sure this isn't going to be a problematic card. I am. It's not very good.
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shades of blue posted:i have no capacity to evaluate this card. its interesting that it doesnt generate any mana. the minus isnt regrowth (thank god) but looking at 3 cards on a -2 for a 3 mana planeswalker is very strong. the biggest problem, i think, is that it straight up just does not protect itself if you tap out for it. I don't think it needs to protect itself when it comes down and gets 5 loyalty on turn 2 or 3. What's the biggest creature that's going to attack into it that early? Later in the game, when your opponent has bigger threats, then it protects itself.
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Jiro posted:If Realmbreaker is a Phyrexian World Tree, wouldn't merging with it also turn Wrenn Phyrexian? I figured she would have used a portal to go to Kaldheim's tree and merge with that one. There was a core of the original tree still in there somewhere and Wrenn brought the fire to all the oil and Phyrexian bullshit. I think she may have burned her physical form out to some extent, neither her or Realmbreaker expect to survive. I'm also curious now about all the past bonded trees. Or maybe how stories with her occur since I guess she's usually needing to planeswalk into some nice soul somewhere?
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Jiro posted:If Realmbreaker is a Phyrexian World Tree, wouldn't merging with it also turn Wrenn Phyrexian? I figured she would have used a portal to go to Kaldheim's tree and merge with that one. Seven was killed by Nissa and Wrenn isn't in very good shape after the story. She's used a lot of her strength/fire magic to burn away the phyrexian oil while urging the natural sapling of Realmbreaker to grow so Wrenn and Eight could bring Teferi and the Zhalfirin armies to New Phyrexia.
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Apparently there was something left of the actual worldtree sapling/cutting within because the Phyrexians only partially compleated realmbreaker for probably a reason related to needing it to grow and live like a living organism that can naturally traverse the blind eternities. Thats how Wrenn could hear it crying out in part 2 of the story; it was never fully compleat. I love how Wrenn and Realmbreaker grope around the Dominaria section of the blind eternities with realmbreaker for Zhalfir. There could be a fun plot point where the various branches to nowhere thicker around Dominaria attract some Kaldheim Cosmos monsters to nest there and pop into Dominaria from time to time. But grabbing Zhalfir and slamming it into New Phyrexia as the war seems to have devolved into small-unit fighting and the sheer horror of the Phyrexians at seeing tens or hundreds of thousands of fresh, eager troops deep within Phyrexia was something to read. I totally bet the fighting is going to be a literal blur because all the troops are under Teferis haste magic, and he'll have had preparation to get it good and strong. Sylvian Wastes fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Mar 24, 2023 18:11
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What other trees are there from wrenn to join up with? Let's get a wrenn and boseiju next.
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snyprmag posted:What other trees are there from wrenn to join up with? Let's get a wrenn and boseiju next. So about Boseiju..... Edit: It's dead!
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Pastel Candy Snake posted:So about Boseiju..... Wren's usually able to bring back dead lands
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snyprmag posted:Wren's usually able to bring back dead lands Wrenn's going to have to bring back a dead Wrenn first.
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A Moose posted:I don't know that it would replace witherbloom command, since every mode of that card is useful. It removes x/1 creatures like llanowar elves, it destroys pretty much every gy hate permanent except leyline of the void, and it finds combo pieces. I think a 3 mana permanent that just exists to help find the combo isn't good enough. It has to also be good on its own, like wedding invitation or lilliana of the veil. Maybe a sideboard card when you go midrange
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Rinkles posted:What’s a world tree? not much, what's a world tree with you?
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I think its gonna be pretty drat powerful. 3 mana walker, can draw cards and dump things into the graveyard, puts pressure on the opponent and fixes your mana, can have 5 loyalty the first turn its on the board. It's obviously not Oko but I think its gonna make an impact
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Pastel Candy Snake posted:Wrenn's going to have to bring back a dead Wrenn first. New wrenn can do that with the last ability.
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Would new Wrenn and new Elspeth play well together? Wrenn fills the hard. Elspeths ult returns Wrenn to play. In a super friends deck with lots of proliferate, it seems neat. Even if it's not competitive, I like that their mechanics mesh like that given they are working together in fiction. Weird rules question, but what happens if Elspeth jumps a lane that Wrenn has turned into a 3/3? It gets flying, but does it lose it when the land stops being a creature? Or do you just have a non-creature land with flying?
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