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looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. what's a good show where the lovely protagonist gets thoroughly owned, completely hosed with no silver lining, just completely boned because of their own lovely choices? Is it just not a feasible option for writing fiction following a detestable protagonist in popular media?
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Khanstant posted:looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. Barry?
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I'll reserve judgement for the final season, but that's definitely getting warmer.
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Khanstant posted:looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. Better Call Saul?
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Khanstant posted:what's a good show where the lovely protagonist gets thoroughly owned, completely hosed with no silver lining, just completely boned because of their own lovely choices? Is it just not a feasible option for writing fiction following a detestable protagonist in popular media? Seinfeld. 
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Khanstant posted:
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Timby posted:Better Call Saul? The courthouse scene came off as extremely triumphant to me. I think Vince Gilligan likes his characters too much.
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Scream Queens, if cliffhangers count? Some of the Beavis and Butthead episodes end up with them just straight up fuckin' dying!oh jay posted:The courthouse scene came off as extremely triumphant to me. I think Vince Gilligan likes his characters too much. I started to say "Wait, how is Breaking Bad not an option?", but I guess Walt's death was pretty "badass".
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SimonChris posted:Gomorrah. Cosigning this one.
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Khanstant posted:looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. Death Note
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Khanstant posted:looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. Always Sunny
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Made a thread for Succession's fourth and final season what's good https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4027843
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Khanstant posted:looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. The Dropout
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Escobarbarian posted:Made a thread for Succession's fourth and final season what's good https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4027843 Not Succession
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Escobarbarian posted:what's good according to early reviews? The fourth season of Succession.
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loving  at the last 30 seconds of Shrinking
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Lucky Hank seems mediocre at best which is ironic considering the plot is about mediocrity. the annoying student is impressively annoying though
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I liked Lucky Hank enough to keep watching for a while. Also enjoyed the first 3 episodes of The Night Agent on Netflix
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Read After Burning posted:Scream Queens, if cliffhangers count? Some of the Beavis and Butthead episodes end up with them just straight up fuckin' dying! He also finds a way to get some money to his family, while taking revenge for his bruised ego on multiple fronts, and evading arrest with barely an inconvenience across country as a televised fugitive. He also puts on that stupid hat again and nobody clowns on him for it. I don't think BTS counts either, just knowing the ending alone sounds like he double wins, he both could avoid jail if he wanted, and can clear his conscience and come clean on his own terms
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Khanstant posted:
Yeah, that's a very good point.  Most folks didn't walk away from the ending of BB going "Wow, [protagonist] is loving pathetic", which I believe is what you were asking about. Refresh my memory, what's Tony Soprano's status during the infamous ending? I feel like he's in a good place right before he gets blapped, so it doesn't fit either, yeah?  , Google is telling me that the word in my spoiler means something quite different in the UK...
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I mean, I assume most people (not blinded by protag bias) thought Walt was a pathetic piece of poo poo all along regardless of how he goes, the entire show is just Walt being such a deeply bad person that almost everyone around him gets sucked into the bad person gravity well too. His biggest loss is that his kid hates him and he probably doesn't even get a wiki page noting he's a loser
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Yeah with Breaking Bad I’d say Walt at least gets to go out in a way that he feels satisfied with having won out over “the real bad guys” and being the family provider he pretended to be. I think it’s probably about as fine a line as you can walk. Gilligan obviously knew Walt was the bad guy and had him be that to everyone else. But he also had an audience who loved Walt and he basically let him go out in a way that they could rationalize along with Walt. Ultimately it’s gonna be hard to do a story about a full on unrepentant villain protagonist. That’s a pretty depressing narrative journey. Like Breaking Bad the best you can do is surround them with sympathetic victims but as Breaking Bad proved that’s a challenge in and of itself in your audience getting the wrong idea entirely.
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I think Jesse gets punished much harder than Walt, despite surviving and getting to ride off into the sunset. I was never rooting for Jesse to survive, at least never after his scheme to sell meth to addicts at AA meetings, that's an irrevocable "eat poo poo and die" kinda character moment. But he definitely suffers more, feels more failure and powerlessness, and pain than Walt ever does, and arguably all that is poo poo Walt should be burdened with, but the world is unfair and often rewards cruelty and control. I also don't necessarily think Walt getting owned harder would make the show better, just more satisfying, and Breaking Bad isn't about being satisfying, that's probably the most interesting thing about it. Almost no moments of catharsis, you're almost never happy for anyone, the only people morally worth rooting for are usually loving annoying as poo poo, and when you do find a moment of satisfaction, it crumples under a moments examination. Like oh cool Fringe totally wiped the great value escobars, oh wait well I hope someone wastes Gring now, okay well now I hope someone makes Walt walk down kings landing in only his whities and stupid hat while Marie shakes a bell at him yelling "shame" oh we don't get that it's just over, well okay fine, you win show. Drugs suck, new Mexico blows, dudes with egos are pathetic, Todd's a creep, and meth is for losers.
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Read After Burning posted:Refresh my memory, what's Tony Soprano's status during the infamous ending? I feel like he's in a good place right before he gets blapped, so it doesn't fit either, yeah? Tony is, to put it mildly, materially fine but emotionally and existentially damned by the last episode.
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CPFortest posted:Tony is, to put it mildly, materially fine but emotionally and existentially damned by the last episode. Yeah, it's also basically the culmination of the plotline that he lived a violent and lovely life and that even after he "won" he was never safe and everything came to nothing. Every much the Things Fall Apart ending. Also probably The Shield, details spoiled since I don't think that it's quite as well known as Sopranos. Not only does Vic lose everything along with his reputation but his family is hosed, Shane goes out in the most horrifying end to a TV plot I've seen and the last guy on the squad who's name I'm not looking up is probably going to jail as a cop with no protection thanks to Vic.
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Yeah I think the SHIELD is probably a genuinely unhappy ending. Vic really is left with nothing and importantly all the rationalizations and justifications he’s used through the series are stripped away. He’s materially fine, even benefiting professionally But his family is gone, his guys are dead, and his peers know him for what he is. It’s a completely Pyrrhic victory. In that way I’d say The Shield and Breaking Bad are kind of opposites in Walt gets to die the hero in his own mind and Vic gets to live knowing he’s the villain.
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CPFortest posted:Tony is, to put it mildly, materially fine but emotionally and existentially damned by the last episode. Yeah, this is a good way of putting it. He may not be as completely hosed as in many of the other examples, but he’s hosed in all the ways that count.
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Yeah, the supernatural/afterlife is also probably real in the Sopranos-verse, so Tony is super hosed. Edit: I kind of love that about the show. The way people talk about The Sopranos, it's like it's a only serious character drama made up of social realist short stories, but it's also a wacky comedy with psychics and fart jokes. Mad Men has a reputation for being funny, and it is, but The Sopranos is treated more like it's super dour and it's just not. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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Dude, Man Men is so goddamn funny. The ol Colonel Sanders looking dude (Burt Cooper?) mumbling "This is medieval!" When Pete and the British dude started fist-fighting makes me every time.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Yeah, the supernatural/afterlife is also probably real in the Sopranos-verse, so Tony is super hosed. Yeah, I only watched Sopranos recently since it was a little before my time and I was surprised by how much of it was just outright comedy alongside the dramatic bits. Kind of weird to make it to the infamous Columbus Day episode and see that it's just a comedy one. Hell, people forget how intentionally goofy and funny Breaking Bad is too, at least at the start.
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Khanstant posted:looks like You getting a 5th final season. Walt and Dexter both got off easy, so I really hope they humiliate the poo poo out of Joe in the final season. debatably the shield Vic would always continue to dig himself bigger and bigger holes to get himself out of the old one
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Agents of Shield is the most common response, the TVIV pro-Shield taskforce strikes again.
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Read After Burning posted:Dude, Man Men is so goddamn funny. The ol Colonel Sanders looking dude (Burt Cooper?) mumbling "This is medieval!" When Pete and the British dude started fist-fighting makes me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iw0euc4qDk The look on Peggy's face after she hangs up kills me every time 
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The Shield is the closest to an unhappy ending but there's a sense of moral clarity about the fall of the Strike Team and even Shane's letter that doesn't factor in a lot of the other 2000s prestige shows.
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Khanstant posted:what's a good show where the lovely protagonist gets thoroughly owned, completely hosed with no silver lining, just completely boned because of their own lovely choices? Is it just not a feasible option for writing fiction following a detestable protagonist in popular media? All the big ones have been covered, but a few interesting edge cases: Dinosaurs. Black Sails, though it's slightly ambiguous. I'm pretty sure the "he went to live on a farm" ending is exactly the euphemism it sounds like though. Possibly Continuum, Being Human (UK) and Hannibal, depending on how you view their endings. Bates Motel.
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I don't remember it well enough to defend any of them specifically, but why do you think the Dinosaurs characters deserve to be asteroided?
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Khanstant posted:I don't remember it well enough to defend any of them specifically, but why do you think the Dinosaurs characters deserve to be asteroided? Pretty sure that baby stabbed someone with a fork at least once, he simply has bad vibes. Just looked up the scene, I mis-remembered and it was his own tail he stabbed. I was not expecting this complicated lore. Read After Burning fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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Khanstant posted:I don't remember it well enough to defend any of them specifically, but why do you think the Dinosaurs characters deserve to be asteroided? well the Sinclairs specifically maybe don't, but dinosaurs as a whole go extinct because of Earl's/dinosaur society's lovely decisions, which was part of the criteria being discussed.
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I've always read the ending to The Leftovers as being very bleak too. Nora never got the help she needed and spiraled into madness, just like that lady at the start of the season. I gather a lot of people prefer the magic-is-real reading of the end though.Khanstant posted:I don't remember it well enough to defend any of them specifically, but why do you think the Dinosaurs characters deserve to be asteroided? they're americans Nah, memes. They're not actually wiped out by an asteroid though, they're wiped out by dino made climate change stemming from a desire to produce fake fruit. So yeah, they brought it on themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFjAkAs_q4 Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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