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WattsvilleBlues posted:I take it replacing the CPU with an 8 core Ryzen 7 CPU also wouldn't get me much better performance either? If you have to ask then you're probably not doing any work that scales well with multiple cores or else you'd already know about it, so I'm gonna say no. The only CPU upgrade that could make sense on your platform is to the 5800x3D but that would only be if you were gaming with your system which you're not.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:I don't think my motherboard supports more than one NVMe drive (MSI B550-A PRO). Also since I've only got documents, music, video etc. on the SSD there's little point in getting a faster SATA drive (the SSD is miles faster than the older NAS HDD of course). The B550-A PRO supports 2 NVMe drives.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Not gonna happen, there isn't any actual real world difference in speeds between the PCIe 4 drives for gaming or general tasks like you're describing, only in transferring loving huge files. You'd be just as fine with an Sn770 and spend the $100 elsewhere. Also I don't think anyone told you yet not to spend $100 on windows when you can buy it in SAMart for $20. I was under the impression that it did because the game is unpacking data into active memory. A quick search shows me AnAndTech used to even benchmark SSDs on game load times and it made a difference. To me, even if it shaves off a single second or two that's worth a hundred bucks. And yes, I've gone way past my original budget. I'm also kind of experimenting to see what I'm able to get at whatever price point and it's kind cool to see that I can still building something pretty powerful but still affordable.
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:I was under the impression that it did because the game is unpacking data into active memory. A quick search shows me AnAndTech used to even benchmark SSDs on game load times and it made a difference. To me, even if it shaves off a single second or two that's worth a hundred bucks. You're gonna have to show me those tests. Were they Sata vs NVMe? PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0? Did they compare different tiers of PCIe 4.0 SSDs against each other? Yes, NVMe drives will load some games noticeably faster than SATA SSDs, but there is no appreciable difference between a top-tier PCIe 4.0 drive and a mid-tier PCIe 4.0 drive in terms of load speed.       From TechPowerUp's SN770 review. They have not reviewed the 990 Pro yet, but I can promise you that it won't have a noticeable impact on game load times. Benchmarks that test this are all within margin of error at this point. If you want to spend $100 for faster game loading, then you're actually better off buying a faster CPU. We've reached the point where the CPU is the primary bottleneck for load times for most things, not just games. SSDs are too fast. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 08:53 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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I just built my PC a few months ago and I love it. I’m having trouble figuring something out though. Sometimes at the end of the day I want to leave it in sleep mode so I can pick up in the morning where I left off with all my windows and terminals set up just so. But when I just use regular sleep mode in windows 11, about 45 minutes after I put it into sleep, the whole box spins on, including the fans and all the RGB lights. I know there’s nothing touching the keyboard and mouse (although those are Bluetooth, maybe that’s the problem?). Any idea what could cause this? It’s windows 11. I couldn’t find any useful setting. Could it be in the BIOS? I have that ROG Strix 670 E-F that came with the 7900x deal.
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If you run "powercfg /lastwake" in a command prompt it'll tell you what's to blame. This is sometimes somewhat opaque but I'd bet money it's a windows update wake timer. You can disable wake timers in power plan options somewhere.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:I don't think my motherboard supports more than one NVMe drive (MSI B550-A PRO). Also since I've only got documents, music, video etc. on the SSD there's little point in getting a faster SATA drive (the SSD is miles faster than the older NAS HDD of course).
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10400 and 5700 non-xt. Would I be crazy if I upgrade to a 6700xt? I have a 1440p 144hz monitor right now, and while I'm not struggling by any means thanks to free sync, more frames is always better lol
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Captain Yossarian posted:10400 and 5700 non-xt. Would I be crazy if I upgrade to a 6700xt? I have a 1440p 144hz monitor right now, and while I'm not struggling by any means thanks to free sync, more frames is always better lol I don’t think that would be crazy tbh
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Captain Yossarian posted:10400 and 5700 non-xt. Would I be crazy if I upgrade to a 6700xt? I have a 1440p 144hz monitor right now, and while I'm not struggling by any means thanks to free sync, more frames is always better lol Try getting a 6800 non XT if you can for relatively cheap, but a 6700XT is fine if you can’t, yeah.
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I am upgrading to a 7800X3D/AM5 build and decided on the following components: G.Skill Trident Z5 NEO RGB Series (AMD Expo) 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin SDRAM DDR5 6000 CL30-38-38-96 Price: $160 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BF8FVLSL ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-PLUS WiFi 6E Socket AM5 (LGA 1718) Ryzen 7000 ATX Gaming Motherboard Price: $323 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BDTJFHKJ How does this look? The motherboard is an X670E with pcei 5.0 motherboard and SSD M.2. It also has Wifi 6E which is the same as my mesh routers. Is there anything I'm missing out on by not getting a more expensive board? It is flabbergasting that x670E motherboards go up to $1,300+ and I have zero idea what makes any of these boards better than the TUF that I selected besides more expansion slots and such. Thoughts? This somewhat annoying but knowledgeable-sounding dude seems way into the board: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAqUk15ryM The Memory is DDR5 6000 (supposedly the sweet spot for AM5) with CL30-38-38-96 timings. Circumstantial evidence claims this is Hynix A die, which I believe is the best case scenario right now for DDR5? But there's no way to tell - as far as I know- until I get the ram in my hands and run a test on it. That will be awhile as while I'll have all of this random poo poo, the 7800X3D doesn't come out for a couple weeks. Taima fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Mar 23, 2023 |
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So, like an idiot, I bought a mainboard which isn't compatible with the cooler I got due to a row of capacitors near the CPU. Mainboard: ASUS X670-P Wifi Cooler: Arctic Liquid Freezer ii 360. Does anyone have a suggested cooler that will work with this mainboard?
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The NZXT coolers have real small footprints on the CPU. It's a round cap that's 79mm in diameter. The AM5 socket is 40mm so it'll hang over roughly 20mm. You can see the mount here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394376901013 If that won't clear, I think you're hosed.
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Thanks, I'll take a look.
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BirdbrainedPhoenix posted:Thanks, I'll take a look. I got kind of in to your question for unknown reasons. The Lian Li Galahad series appears to have a smaller CPU block, about 70mm diameter. The EK coolers are the smallest at about 70mm by 61mm. The total footprint of the AM5 package is 103mm by 67mm so the EK block will be smaller than the AM5 package and it definitionally will clear.
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I recall that the Liquid Freezer II has a regular mounting bracket and an offset mounting bracket for AM4/5. The offset is supposed to center the water block over the CPU's hottest points to improve dissipation (and it's pretty effective at this). Have you tried both? If you've only tried the offset mounting bracket, maybe the regular one will work?
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Been waffling over my decision to go 7900X over 13600K and 4070 Ti over 7900XT since they're the same price and performance and I'm looking at a 10 year use case. On the CPU side, some reviews show the 7900X slightly faster and some show the 13600K slightly faster in gaming. However, the 7900X can be upgraded in the future so even though I likely won't, it's nice to have the option. Plus the 7900X is faster in productivity, which although I don't really need, it might hold up better in day to day tasks in 8-10 years. On the GPU side, the 7900XT has the benefit of 20GB VRAM vs 12GB for the 4070 Ti which would help with high res textures. However, neither card is really appropriate for 4K and I have 3x 1440p monitors, so 12GB should be fine for 1440p. It's hard to say what their resale values will look like in 4-5 years when, unlike with CPU, I'm likely to upgrade the GPU, but generally Nvidia does better, though the 7900XT's VRAM may make it more desirable. Tthe 4070 Ti does have the benefit of DLSS which is superior to FSR, so maybe that will help with resale or if I decide to keep it for more than 4-5 years. Hoping my thoughts can help people who are facing a similar dilemma.
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Taima posted:ASUS TUF Gaming X670E-PLUS WiFi 6E Socket AM5 (LGA 1718) Ryzen 7000 ATX Gaming Motherboard Asrock or Gigabyte have been doing a better job so far with BIOS tuning and updates. Gigabyte is a lil' faster on the BIOS updates most of the time it seems to me. Spec-wise and build quality-wise you can get a similar mobo from either of those guys for about the same price as that ASUS board. It'll come down to other factors (ie. Intel or AMD wifi, looks, which Realtek codec it has, etc) that strike your fancy but you can't really go wrong with either of them. Pretty much all of them have overkill VRM's for overclocking on air or water so don't worry about that either. An ASRock X670E PRO RS or ASRock X670E Steel Legend are similar over all and are a bit cheaper or similarly priced. If you don't mind having the x16 PCIe slot being PCIe 4 then GIGABYTE X670 AORUS Elite AX is nice too. Taima posted:But there's no way to tell - as far as I know- until I get the ram in my hands and run a test on it. That will be awhile as while I'll have all of this random poo poo, the 7800X3D doesn't come out for a couple weeks. Micron is pretty much all the really cheap low end low clocked stuff. Most things that are 6000-6400 are likely Hynix M die. Most things that are higher clocked, like 6800-7200, are highly likely to be Hynix A die. Note that weasel words like "likely" and "most" are used because without actually finding out from people who've bought a given part number and confirmed (with pics and all) what it is that is the best you can do. Heres a vid if you want more info. A few months old but still correct as far as I know.
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I’d go with the 4070ti because of DLSS. The XT is an ok card but I think it should be priced a bit cheaper.
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Josh Lyman posted:so maybe that will help with resale or if I decide to keep it for more than 4-5 years. Maybe I'm the odd one here but I wouldn't even consider resale value as a factor when buying something today. Too unpredictable. If it were me I'd go AM5 because Zen5 (which is supposed to be a Big Deal) should be a upgrade option on that platform before its discontinued. As for the GPU get whichever you can get cheapest unless you really really love RT. In that case just get the NV card. DLSS has a edge over FSR right now but you'll likely see the difference narrow over time as adoption and support for FSR grows. In the mean time either a 7900XT or 4070Ti will run everything at 1440p fast enough to probably max your monitor without either FSR or DLSS. The difference will be if you want RT. Then NV has a significant advantage. PC LOAD LETTER fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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What's the situation with direct storage? Is it awesome? Is it only used for game? Do we need to wait a few more years for games to take advantage of it? I want to build a PC that will play anything a PS5Pro will play, and super fast drive access is getting me. I'm guessing i need PCIE4x4 at least, but would 5x4 be worth it? Please inform thanjs
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the only game using directstorage so far is forspoken so it's hard to really say especially as it was a technical disaster of a port even pcie 3.0 drives are fine with it, but of course going with 4.0 won't hurt. 5.0 is pointless overkill and not worth thinking about Josh Lyman posted:Been waffling over my decision to go 7900X over 13600K and 4070 Ti over 7900XT since they're the same price and performance and I'm looking at a 10 year use case. the 7900X is pointless over the 7700X unless you're doing serious heavily multi-threaded production work. if you're not, there is no good reason to consider it, you're just not going to get anything out of those extra cores and the gaming performance is actually worse in some cases. a better option might be the 7800X3D when it launches next month. the 4070 Ti has only slightly worse raster performance than the 7900XT but much better raytracing performance and the benefit of DLSS support, so at the same price i'd still go with the 4070 Ti. lih fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Awesome poo poo Thank you sir! I was able to get the motherboard for $242 - so I went for it; It's from amazon but I can return it. Do you think it's a bad call even at $242? If so, I'm open to returning it. It's hard to pin down the BIOS situation- are you sure your info is up to date? Not saying it is, but I want to make extra sure because during research for this part, I saw people claiming that Asus has improved their BIOS considerably. I trust you though and will defer to your advice. Thanks for the memory info- and sorry to ask such an obvious question but are you implying that the RAM I am looking at as per my post is not worth it or, generally, there is a better RAM to buy for my use case? I am open to that if you have recommendations. There is at least one Amazon review that states they got Hynix A die, not that such a thing is completely dependable. A lot of people are saying that 6000 is the sweet spot too. I'll watch that video! Thanks again. What's the best way to get one of these 7800X3Ds on launch day? Discord? Or what? Could anyone provide links to good resources? I notice that the 7950X3D is sold out everywhere, so this is probably going to be a poo poo show when the 7800 comes out, right? Or maybe it'll be ok since they delayed the launch so much; presumably they would have a lot of inventory...?
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lih posted:the 7900X is pointless over the 7700X unless you're doing serious heavily multi-threaded production work. if you're not, there is no good reason to consider it, you're just not going to get anything out of those extra cores and the gaming performance is actually worse in some cases. a better option might be the 7800X3D when it launches next month.
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Taima posted:Do you think it's a bad call even at $242? If so, I'm open to returning it. I'd give it a try and only consider returning it if you have problems that a BIOS update doesn't fix. Taima posted:It's hard to pin down the BIOS situation- are you sure your info is up to date? Taima posted:Thanks for the memory info- and sorry to ask such an obvious question but are you implying that the RAM I am looking at as per my post is not worth it or, generally, there is a better RAM to buy for my use case? Its if you didn't want the RGB or were willing to try to go cheaper lower spec stuff to roll the dice on OCing it that you might pick something else. Even then you'd maybe save ~$20-30 which is nice but not a huge difference. The only thing I can think of that might be a issue with the blingy RGB RAM is to make sure it'll fit near your heatsink. Taima posted:What's the best way to get one of these 7800X3Ds on launch day?
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Moving this over to the GPU thread...quote:Looking for recommendations on AMD GPUs to target for 1440@240hz gaming. I'm running a 5800x3d on a Seasonic 750w power supply. 71wn fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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PC LOAD LETTER posted:Nah for X670 or X670E that is a good price these days. Thank you man. You're awesome. And yeah I like my RGB, I'm real lame like that. In my defense the machine is part of a dedicated home theater mancave, lol  Our other pcs are all boring so they look good with the decor; I get to have my mancave but the wife would murder me if I did this anywhere else...
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Nah I don't mind the bling so much myself. I just can't fit the blingy RGB RAM under my HSF lol Yeah these new cases that are designed to showcase your build are pretty slick. I think if they were around 20yr ago people would've been more into the RGB too
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I recall that the Liquid Freezer II has a regular mounting bracket and an offset mounting bracket for AM4/5. The offset is supposed to center the water block over the CPU's hottest points to improve dissipation (and it's pretty effective at this). Have you tried both? If you've only tried the offset mounting bracket, maybe the regular one will work? It's one bracket with two sets of holes. The issue I'm having is the bracket extends out too far and would sit on top of capacitors. The two sets of holes are for mounting the pump block, the mount only goes on in one spot so there's absolutely no wiggle room. I'm just going to return the Liquid Freezer and go with something else. Thanks for the reply though.
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So I got in the RAM already (hooray for living near Amazon HQ) and I think it's M die? I had a hard time understanding exactly how to tell, but the packaging helpfully has a clear window that shows the barcode of each stick and they show: 0T48ARS821M - that's M die I think? Is it worth returning this poo poo and trying to find A die or is this ok?
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Ughh my 6 month old SFX PSU has been getting a rattly fan noise that started off as inaudible and now progressively getting worse. Cooler Master gave this a 10 year warranty so I’m not worried about anything but it sucks that I just can’t swap the fan out without voiding it, and now the alternative is waiting however-many days without a PSU to use my computer with. It would own bones if they could just cross ship me another PSU with a credit card hold like EVGA did with me but I’m not keeping my hopes up.
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Taima posted:Is it worth returning this poo poo and trying to find A die or is this ok? If you're just planning on running it at 6000 then I'd keep it. That is the sweet spot anyways for Zen4 right now.
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Word, yeah I am, thanks!buglord posted:Ughh my 6 month old SFX PSU has been getting a rattly fan noise that started off as inaudible and now progressively getting worse. Cooler Master gave this a 10 year warranty so I’m not worried about anything but it sucks that I just can’t swap the fan out without voiding it, and now the alternative is waiting however-many days without a PSU to use my computer with. Cooler Master does not have a good claim reputation unfortunately but you'll probably be taken care of on a longer time scale (unless they improved in the last few years)
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Taima posted:Word, yeah I am, thanks! Gah balls. Well, there’s a microcenter 45 minutes from me that has the same product there. Wonder if I could just buy it again and return it once my RMA is done. Ideally this whole thing doesn’t take a month.
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So I accidentally bought an extra 2 TB SSD, giving me four total, while my motherboard only has three M2 slots. Is there a PCIe expansion card for M2 drives that people like?
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My GPU appears to have bitten the dust - whole PC powered off unexpectedly and wouldn't restart so I did the usual "unplug everything and plug them in one at a time" testing and literally nothing worked. I replaced the psu hoping for a relatively cheap fix and now it DOES power on until I plug in the GPU, which is annoying but it's also a 980 and I've had my fair share of use out of it so I guess it's OK. Current specs are: Cpu: i5-8600k Motherboard: GIGABYTE Intel 1151 Socket Z370 Chipset Aorus Gaming 5 D4 Psu: corsair TX550 80+ Gold Drives: two Samsung SSDs and one WD green HDD Ram: 16gb of corsair vengeance ddr4 I use it for a mix of stuff but gaming is high on the priority list, I'm happy enough at 1080p but I do have a 3440x1440 screen that I wouldn't mind using all of if it's feasible. From some quick checking on PC Part Picker I think I've got enough power overhead to drop anything up to like a 3060 in. Is that the best bang for my buck or is there a better choice? I know the cpu is outdated, I could just do without the expense of a full build while the rest of it is a) working and b) has mostly been fine for me.
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Sounds like the PSU may have died and took your old GPU with it. That's a real bummer, but in rare circumstances, PSUs can cause that kind of collateral damage when they die. With that CPU, a midrange GPU will still be GPU-bound at 3440x1440 in almost all scenarios, so I don't think you have to upgrade the cpu at the moment if you don't want to deal with the added cost. Especially since it would mean replacing the motherboard and potentially the memory too. In the current market conditions, you can buy a Radeon 6700 XT for the same price as a 3060, and it's going to be a good 30% faster in most games. So that's what I'd go for if you want a card for around $350. That card uses a little more power than the 3060, but I'm certain that a 550W PSU will be able to handle it well.
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