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Arivia posted:“D&D can’t do heists” is something you should have told WotC before their new adventure book of just heists. I think you mean “D&D can’t do heists well,” not that it’s completely unable to do them.
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Mar 24, 2023 18:03
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Yeah I’m sure it’s not good but heists are definitely a story/gameplay model D&D can do.
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Mar 24, 2023 18:14
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the hobby peaked at FATAL folks, this is known. when we getting that film adaptation
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Mar 24, 2023 18:14
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Isn't a heist just a dungeon crawl where you have to fight your way out instead of in? What's the problem?
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Mar 24, 2023 18:17
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You can obviously break into a place and steal stuff in D&D, but "heist movie" is a genre and D&D doesn't necessarily replicate its conventions all that well. Like, a lot of heist-based RPGs explicitly have a "flashback" mechanic where you can escape some obstacle on the way out by suddenly revealing that you already accounted for it.
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Mar 24, 2023 18:21
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I mean, D&D can absolutely do a certain kind of heist; in fact, doing heists is the very core and essence of it's being. It's just a very particular kind of heist called a "dungeon" rather than the kind of thing you usually see in a heist movie, and honestly it's been a while since D&D really focused that hard on the "remove gold from ground" aspect of the game.
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Mar 24, 2023 18:37
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Arivia posted:“D&D can’t do heists” is something you should have told WotC before their new adventure book of just heists. I think you mean “D&D can’t do heists well,” not that it’s completely unable to do them. D&D does heists in the same way it does theatre of the mind, that is it's a thing you can do in the game if you'd like, but the rules aren't really going to provide you any help with it 
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Mar 24, 2023 19:14
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Arivia posted:“D&D can’t do heists” is something you should have told WotC before their new adventure book of just heists. I think you mean “D&D can’t do heists well,” not that it’s completely unable to do them. You can do heists in D&D the same way I can dig a housing foundation with a pocket knife. And just because WotC sells the Ultimate Digging Pocketknife (We Swear It Can) doesn't mean it actually can.
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Mar 24, 2023 19:56
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Arivia posted:“D&D can’t do heists” is something you should have told WotC before their new adventure book of just heists. I think you mean “D&D can’t do heists well,” not that it’s completely unable to do them.
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Mar 24, 2023 19:58
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Rand Brittain posted:It's not necessarily going to be that much like Nen, because doing the Jojo or Hunter X Hunter thing where every power has its own insane rules and the battle is all about figuring them out before it kills you really wants its own insane (and probably kind of free-form) RPG to take advantage of that, but I did borrow the categories, at least to start with. This sounds awesome. Please keep posting about it somewhere. "Gaining more builds you can swap in" is a mechanic for growth I'd love to see more of.
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Mar 24, 2023 23:22
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hyphz posted:As written, it's pointing out that the film fails to represent the game of D&D. The film does great at representing what people want from the game of D&D. The problem is that D&D itself does not live up to that.
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Mar 24, 2023 23:30
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dnd is trying to be all things and it doesn't nail most of it
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Mar 24, 2023 23:37
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Tsilkani posted:The film does great at representing what people want from the game of D&D. The problem is that D&D itself does not live up to that. Yeah, like the first fifteen seconds of the trailer are Michelle Rodriguez using a paving stone to kick the asses of a bunch of guards that have her hands tied up, and imagine how many bullshit rules there are between you and doing that in an actual D&D session.
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Mar 24, 2023 23:39
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theironjef posted:Yeah, like the first fifteen seconds of the trailer are Michelle Rodriguez using a paving stone to kick the asses of a bunch of guards that have her hands tied up, and imagine how many bullshit rules there are between you and doing that in an actual D&D session. Disadvantage due the hands tied, since the character is a Barbarian she probably went into rage to tank the attacks and uses reckless attack to balance the disadvantage and hit normally. The slab of rock is an improvised weapons (so she is doing 1d4+STR+2 damage), and as all objects can be thrown, as shown in the trailer. She probably has the tavern brawler feat, that gives proficiency in improvised weapons and grapple attempt as a bonus action when hitting with an improvised weapon or unarmed attack, like she does. YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Mar 24, 2023 23:53
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YggdrasilTM posted:Disadvantage due the hands tied, since the character is a Barbarian she probably went into rage to tank the attacks and uses reckless attack to balance the disadvantage and hit normally. She's not tanking attacks because no one else ever makes any. I guess you could write that off as them just missing and the attacks not being shown, but she goes from swinging a rock at a dude's feet to knocking him out with a headshot, getting another guy with the same thrown rock, then wrestles the next two guys down barehanded. Like, I think it's all super awesome, but what it isn't is something you could reasonably do with a D&D barbarian without the DM calling bullshit at any number of points. Instead it's what D&D would be if it was cooler.
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Mar 24, 2023 23:58
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theironjef posted:She's not tanking attacks because no one else ever makes any. I guess you could write that off as them just missing and the attacks not being shown, but she goes from swinging a rock at a dude's feet to knocking him out with a headshot, getting another guy with the same thrown rock, then wrestles the next two guys down barehanded. Like, I think it's all super awesome, but what it isn't is something you could reasonably do with a D&D barbarian without the DM calling bullshit at any number of points. you can use rocks to hit people, you can throw rocks to them, you can pick up the same rock and throw it again, and you can grapple with people and hit them with your fists. You can even trip people if you have Martial Adept talent.
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Mar 25, 2023 00:06
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Megazver posted:There is a surprising amount of PbtA grogs, who simply vibrate with outrage at the thought of anyone enjoying D&D. hell yeah gamer
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Mar 25, 2023 00:16
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YggdrasilTM posted:you can use rocks to hit people, you can throw rocks to them, you can pick up the same rock and throw it again, and you can grapple with people and hit them with your fists. You can even trip people if you have Martial Adept talent. great now how many of those things are actually effective options that won't have the rest of the table groaning and rolling their eyes
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Mar 25, 2023 00:18
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CitizenKeen posted:This sounds awesome. Please keep posting about it somewhere. I'll try and find a place, although the Discord link is where most of the chatter happens. Right now I've kind of hit the first really hard stretch where I've figured out the relationship between loresheets, advancement, and powers you can buy, and now I have to start actually writing lore. (Honestly, I came up with a lot of cool ideas for parts of the setting that are a few degrees off the beaten path and serve as alternate setting venues, but I'm still trying to come up with a strong concept for the part that's the "default" campaign location (like the River Province is for Exalted).)
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Mar 25, 2023 00:22
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ItohRespectArmy posted:great now how many of those things are actually effective options that won't have the rest of the table groaning and rolling their eyes When you don't have access to your main weapon, as in that scene? It's fine. Probably better than what most of the other PCs can do in similar conditions. If you want to actually build a dedicated unarmed/improvised weapon brawler? It's not super optimized, but it can work.
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Mar 25, 2023 00:22
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Rand Brittain posted:It's not necessarily going to be that much like Nen, because doing the Jojo or Hunter X Hunter thing where every power has its own insane rules and the battle is all about figuring them out before it kills you really wants its own insane (and probably kind of free-form) RPG to take advantage of that, but I did borrow the categories, at least to start with. Oh yeah, that's still pretty interesting, although to be fair I'm not sure if Amethyst/Cooperation should be a class of its own, I think it should be split between the others since I think it already overlaps a bit with them?
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Mar 25, 2023 00:25
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Megazver posted:When you don't have access to your main weapon, as in that scene? It's fine. Probably better than what most of the other PCs can do in similar conditions. I guess we're assuming that she only throws paving stones and piledrives people the whole movie then? The problem is that the list of things she can do is enormous, the movie can't work based on dumb D&D stuff like turn order, disadvantage, and initiative, let alone HP. Like yeah you could potentially design a whole rear end build around replicating that scene, but that's not what they did. They just had a character do awesome martial poo poo however looked coolest for a whole movie.
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Mar 25, 2023 00:30
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ItohRespectArmy posted:great now how many of those things are actually effective options that won't have the rest of the table groaning and rolling their eyes You do it if you need. She is weaponless in that moment.
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Mar 25, 2023 00:31
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theironjef posted:Yeah, like the first fifteen seconds of the trailer are Michelle Rodriguez using a paving stone to kick the asses of a bunch of guards that have her hands tied up, and imagine how many bullshit rules there are between you and doing that in an actual D&D session. smh at all the neckbeards upset a woman is better at D&D than they are
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Mar 25, 2023 00:34
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YggdrasilTM posted:You do it if you need. She is weaponless in that moment. Megazver posted:When you don't have access to your main weapon, as in that scene? It's fine. Probably better than what most of the other PCs can do in similar conditions. how often do you find yourselves in d&d feeling satisfied having your weapon away and dealing a d4 for damage? any cool stories where that happens?
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Mar 25, 2023 00:36
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theironjef posted:Yeah, like the first fifteen seconds of the trailer are Michelle Rodriguez using a paving stone to kick the asses of a bunch of guards that have her hands tied up, and imagine how many bullshit rules there are between you and doing that in an actual D&D session. They are 4e Minions. Case closed.
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Mar 25, 2023 00:36
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I’m trying to get more participation in the mini sculpting thread, but it’s already a niche-within-a-niche, so I figured I would ask what kinda stuff people might find interesting? Right now, it’s mostly posting pictures from the few people who do a lot of sculpting, but I feel like there’s more there somehow.
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Mar 25, 2023 00:36
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ItohRespectArmy posted:how often do you find yourselves in d&d feeling satisfied having your weapon away and dealing a d4 for damage? Also, it's not 1d4, it's 1d4+STR+2 or 3, depending on the level, if the barbarian is raging. With a 18 on strength that is between 7/8 and 10/11 damage for hit, multiple attacks per round. YggdrasilTM fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Mar 25, 2023 |
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Mar 25, 2023 00:39
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Xiahou Dun posted:You can do heists in D&D the same way I can dig a housing foundation with a pocket knife. And just because WotC sells the Ultimate Digging Pocketknife (We Swear It Can) doesn't mean it actually can. Even 5e has a reasonable amount of tools for setting up the gameplay of “entering a fortified location and overcoming the guards and defenses in order to recover a valuable object and escape with it.” That’s because it’s been the basic gameplay loop of D&D literally forever.
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Mar 25, 2023 01:01
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What level are the movie characters?
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Mar 25, 2023 01:09
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PerniciousKnid posted:smh at all the neckbeards upset a woman is better at D&D than they are What the gently caress? I'm saying I wish D&D was as cool as that scene, not that the scene/character is bullshit. D&D is bullshit.
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Mar 25, 2023 01:28
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theironjef posted:What the gently caress? I'm saying I wish D&D was as cool as that scene, not that the scene/character is bullshit. D&D is bullshit.
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Mar 25, 2023 01:31
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now do one that's funny
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Mar 25, 2023 01:37
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theironjef posted:Like yeah you could potentially design a whole rear end build around replicating that scene, but that's not what they did. They just had a character do awesome martial poo poo however looked coolest for a whole movie. Cinematic combat is generally a bad comparison for RPGs anyway since they're based on spectacle. There's quite a few cases in films where combats are portrayed in ways that are neither tactical nor narrative (the classic example being fights where one party does a bunch of effective-looking cool stuff then loses). Descriptions in books are probably better to compare to.
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Mar 25, 2023 02:00
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Ominous Jazz posted:now do one that's funny I work my wage
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Mar 25, 2023 02:03
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Megazver posted:When you don't have access to your main weapon, as in that scene? It's fine. Probably better than what most of the other PCs can do in similar conditions. D&D is actively hostile to situations where you are using improvised weapons. Full stop. That's all anyone is saying. Nobody's claiming a D&D character can't use improvised weapons - just that they're gonna be dogshit at it unless that's their whole deal (and probably even then). An exciting fight scene wouldn't be it, because D&D doesn't do this kind of exciting fight scene.
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Mar 25, 2023 02:24
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Arivia posted:Even 5e has a reasonable amount of tools for setting up the gameplay of “entering a fortified location and overcoming the guards and defenses in order to recover a valuable object and escape with it.” That’s because it’s been the basic gameplay loop of D&D literally forever. You know that's not what people mean when they say they're running a heist and you're trying to make this a semantic argument because you can't actually defend your very silly point. Making yourself look ridiculous doesn't make you right.
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Mar 25, 2023 02:26
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Does it really matter? I don't have the tools to play NFL-calibur ball in my backyard but that doesn't bother me. Just because Hollywood can whip up an idealized version of D&D doesn't devalue the source game.
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Mar 25, 2023 03:13
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yeah who even wants good things
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I don't think it's fair to say it's a fault of D&D that it can't produce the same experience as watching a big budget action movie. But I do think it's fair to say that a number of other systems are probably better at producing an experience that people who've never played a TTRPG before imagined playing D&D would be like.
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