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Godholio posted:Soup making the news twice in a week. Just wish it was still in the can.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Singularity of purpose and intent of a totalitarian government vs the desultory whims of techbros. Those Techbros manage to work together whenever it suits their purpose so I'm not sure how big a difference that makes in the end
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the panic over "oh no a foreign government is running a social media website and slurping up info" really does feel completely misplaced when you consider the effect our own domestic social media platforms have had and the fact that the police in america are more than happy to do their own little social media following for their own fascist ends it's a distraction to take the focus off of our actual issues. who needs to worry about all of our problems when we can point and go "china... bad!"
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fknlo posted:Even if I did believe this, once again, what exactly is this hostile foreign government going to do with the data that is any worse than what the private corporations and US government are already doing with the information? That's a whataboutism of the highest order.
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https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1639586525825441792?t=On0iSSi71QmlNMGrsPwDqQ&s=19 gently caress out health care system, burn it down and put the executives on trial
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A.o.D. posted:That's a whataboutism of the highest order. Is it, though? On the one hand we have "a 'hostile foreign government' is collecting our metadata for... reasons?" On the other we have "here is proof that domestic law enforcement is collecting our metadata and employing it against us." How is that whataboutism?
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1639586525825441792?t=On0iSSi71QmlNMGrsPwDqQ&s=19 Coooooool. Love how my in-laws still hen peck my wife and I about moving to Canada. "But the health care isn't as good as ours, Ralph! Why would you move there?" The kicker the other day was my MIL telling us hospice care is free in America. "Uhh, no it's not. " "Well my brother received it and his wife didn't pay a dime." "How old was your brother?" "75" "It was free because he had medicare cover it. That doesn't happen for everyone else. My step-dad was 59, and that was not the case for him when he had lung cancer. When people say medicare for all, that's literally what they're advocating for." "Oh."
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I just assume anyone that wants information about me will find a way to locate it, especially if I post it online. Don’t post poo poo you don’t want people to know online. Not complicated
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McNally posted:Is it, though? On the one hand we have "a 'hostile foreign government' is collecting our metadata for... reasons?" On the other we have "here is proof that domestic law enforcement is collecting our metadata and employing it against us." It becomes whataboutism when one uses the one to dismiss the other. Both things are bad, and should be dealt with. I personally feel more uneasy about a foreign government encroaching in that manner, but both are unacceptable.
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The best thing I got from my service was insurance for my family.
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The USA needs a GDPR style personal information regulation. Anything short of that is just bullshit posturing and window dressing. Surely if everyone is concerned about Chinese harvesting of metadata they would be on-board with securing personal information that might otherwise be abused, no? lol yeah right
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Cugel the Clever posted:We can walk and chew gum at the same time. While the House GOP is making a spectacle for political points, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be thwarting any inroads made by hostile, antidemocratic powers. And maybe spreading awareness of the dangers of the privacy invasions as perpetrated by the Chinese can be a salient point for reining in similar at home. being able to do something is extremely different from actually doing something. call me when there's a single iota of concern for the poo poo going on in our own borders, because until then, it's all meaningless bullshit. basically, extremely this: McNally posted:Is it, though? On the one hand we have "a 'hostile foreign government' is collecting our metadata for... reasons?" On the other we have "here is proof that domestic law enforcement is collecting our metadata and employing it against us." we have documented, very obvious, very visible problems with social media within our own borders. we have documented evidence of law enforcement using social media to go after left-leaning groups and actively working with alt-right fuckheads. we have a megalomaniac running one of the biggest social media services and openly turning it into a nazis-allowed fascist free-for-all. but also like, gently caress does it matter? we have citizens united. the election manipulation is coming from inside the house!  Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1639586525825441792?t=On0iSSi71QmlNMGrsPwDqQ&s=19 every one of these people needs to rot in the deepest pits of hell
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I dont think anyone is dismissing a threat from China (im not at least) but its just laughable to tap the Yellow Peril sign in congress and ignore how social media is abused domestically so it all rings hollow.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1639586525825441792?t=On0iSSi71QmlNMGrsPwDqQ&s=19 My wife has had a chronic condition since she was very young, and the only insurer that didn't go out of their way to nickel and dime her and give her a hard time was when she briefly had coverage through the state run health insurance in Massachusetts, back when we lived in that state. Every private insurance company has been a nightmare to a greater or lesser degree however.
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Guys how do you expect share holders to make money if they just pay it out Willy-Nilly. lol I still can’t loving believe we don’t treat health care like war. There’s money to be made from it. Just like war.
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Yes, but if we leave it completely private there's ludicrous amounts of money to be made, if the Government steps in it could get reduced to massive amounts of money, you wouldn't want the poor Healthcare execs to become mere multi millionaires would you?
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Elviscat posted:Yes, but if we leave it completely private there's ludicrous amounts of money to be made, if the Government steps in it could get reduced to massive amounts of money, you wouldn't want the poor Healthcare execs to become mere multi millionaires would you? I mean… I might become a rich healthcare exec someday so hrmmmmm.
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facialimpediment posted:Always make sure you get your proper chocolate-to-peanut-butter ratios correct. Otherwise, this happens. Woof, I'd chocolate my pants if I saw that too close
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I would never vote to convict someone who murdered a healthcare insurance executive I don't think.
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Grip it and rip it posted:I would never vote to convict someone who murdered a healthcare insurance executive I don't think. put the "execute" in "executive"
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1639586525825441792?t=On0iSSi71QmlNMGrsPwDqQ&s=19 Oh look the death panels the GOP was talking about, turns out its capitalism.
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Nick Soapdish posted:https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1639586525825441792?t=On0iSSi71QmlNMGrsPwDqQ&s=19 By US standards our insurance company is tolerable but I’ve been going back and forth with them for nearly a year about a claim & every time I call the helpful agent gives me different info than the last. I’ve heard it’s not covered, it is covered but I need to appeal, no wait the doctor needs to appeal, now the hold up was that they thought the claim was for two medical items when there was only one, etc. One of the oddest parts was sending in an unrelated claim for something they 100% said wouldn’t be covered but to submit it anyway, and it sailed through without a peep. A buddy who used to work in insurance confirmed this is the norm.
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McNally posted:Is it, though? On the one hand we have "a 'hostile foreign government' is collecting our metadata for... reasons?" On the other we have "here is proof that domestic law enforcement is collecting our metadata and employing it against us." It's a whataboutism in the sense that it's being suggested that nothing be done about it because "eh, we do it to ourselves". It's like like letting your neighbor's dog piss in your house because your own dog isn't housebroken. I mean, should we allow secret Chinese police stations because we've got lovely cops of our own?
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A.o.D. posted:It's a whataboutism in the sense that it's being suggested that nothing be done about it because "eh, we do it to ourselves". It's like like letting your neighbor's dog piss in your house because your own dog isn't housebroken. I mean, should we allow secret Chinese police stations because we've got lovely cops of our own? Whataboutism is a deflection from a question someone doesn't want to answer by turning the tables back at the questioner. Whataboutism: "Do you think TikTok should be banned because of the threat posed by China using the data?" "American companies do it and i don't see you saying anything about that!" Not whataboutism: "Do you think TikTok should be banned because of the threat posed by China using the data?" "I don't think it's a big deal since my own country does it to me too" Absolutely no one in this thread has said that the things that social media do and enable aren't bad. No one is deflecting from a sensitive topic. People just have different levels of give a poo poo about it, specifically because of the fact that china is not at all unique in this.
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A.o.D. posted:It's a whataboutism in the sense that it's being suggested that nothing be done about it because "eh, we do it to ourselves". It's like like letting your neighbor's dog piss in your house because your own dog isn't housebroken. Even if it is whatboutism, why isn't that a valid question? The argument being made against TikTok is hypocrisy, mixed in with some orientalist racism. It's more like if your dog pissed all over your house, all of your neighbors houses, and occasionally took a poo poo in their pool, but you got all indignant the first time their dog peed on your lawn. quote:I mean, should we allow secret Chinese police stations because we've got lovely cops of our own? Honest question, I'm not clear how this isn't just standard espionage? I would generally assume if you're an American (or British, or French, or Russian, etc) citizen who's in a prominent role or fugitive overseas, there's probably a less than above board embassy/consular official who's going to keep tabs on you to some extent. Normal course of business with international relations, countries will call it out when it's found out or even make some arrests for later exchanges now and then, and maybe the country spying loses some face. Not that it shouldn't be called out when it's uncovered, but what's unique about this case?
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TikTok should be banned because everybody makes videos using that stupid loving TikTok cadence. Also the Oh No song sucks poo poo
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Even if it is whatboutism, why isn't that a valid question? The argument being made against TikTok is hypocrisy, mixed in with some orientalist racism. It's more like if your dog pissed all over your house, all of your neighbors houses, and occasionally took a poo poo in their pool, but you got all indignant the first time their dog peed on your lawn. Whole police stations in foreign countries is a bit more than keeping tabs on expats, fwiw
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I need Twitter to be banned too. I found out last week that my old man has a Twitter account. It's public! He put his face in his profile pic! He uses it to make lewd replies to thirst traps and cam girls!
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:Even if it is whatboutism, why isn't that a valid question? The argument being made against TikTok is hypocrisy, mixed in with some orientalist racism. It's more like if your dog pissed all over your house, all of your neighbors houses, and occasionally took a poo poo in their pool, but you got all indignant the first time their dog peed on your lawn. If you want to make the argument that the olds just want to ban something that they don't understand, or that their argument is couched in racism, I won't argue it. It's almost certainly true and I agree. However, if it is significantly a tool for gathering metadata, and if China is a hostile nation, I don't see how those first two premises negate or even matter in light of those two things. A racist idiot is unlikely to be right, but it doesn't mean that they can't accidentally be right. bengy81 posted:I need Twitter to be banned too. I found out last week that my old man has a Twitter account. Can we at least ban Musk, the man cannot loving post.
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CainFortea posted:Whataboutism: On one side, you've got a deeply flawed democracy where there are nominally rules in place to protect citizens' privacy. Sometimes those rules work, but motivated actors in the intelligence and policing communities push constantly at the boundaries, resulting in grave problems that require fixing. Citizens have the ability to demand accountability and oversight, which is occasionally heeded by their elected officials, resulting in this cycle of waxing and waning levels of abusive surveillance. It's never really been at a "good" spot, but there are real mechanisms in place that imperfectly mitigate harm. On the other side, you've got a rising authoritarian power pursuing all avenues available to it to regain the status of its predecessor states. Prime among these avenues is undermining its chief rivals. Citizens daring to voice an iota of criticism are either forced to undergo a process of public shaming to deter others or are outright disappeared. You, as a citizen of a foreign state beyond the direct control of the autocrat, are a potential target for passive opinion shaping or active blackmail. You may benefit from a relative insignificance that keeps you from being a direct target of any machinations, but that's poor comfort. It's all too easy to steep in all the awful abuses and violations perpetrated in the United States and numbly say, "Wow, it can't possibly get worse than this." But it can. It so, so, so can. Recognition of this doesn't diminish the fight we face for our privacy at home. If anything, it should empower our struggle by providing a crystal clear example of the horrors that lie down the road to unfreedom. I get the desire to voice frustration with the domestic situation, but there are better ways to do it than by vocally poohpoohing other real risks.
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bengy81 posted:I need Twitter to be banned too. I found out last week that my old man has a Twitter account. Thats a more honest way to use social media than most.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Alright, so not tankies, just stubbornly shortsighted. Just loving lol @ what I bolded. And we went from the waxing/waning bipolar cycle of surveillance and privacy to a full fledged loving schizophrenic cycle of surveillance and privacy. Like, pre 9/11. TSP seemed like a fever dream in 1999. It’s a series of cloud based apps in 2023. We refuse to properly secure and protect our citizens data collectively because  . Not because of some noble balance or struggle of ideology.In other words: Smart Sons of Abraham posted:עקוב אחר הכסף
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