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Yeah, "step back" sounds to derogatory, but I meant it's a more traditional design. You can easily imagine FNV as a 2D game released in the 90s, like, well, Fallout. While the engine and assets probably allowed Obsidian to make a great game in a short timeframe it never feels quite right cause both the engine and assets never feel at home. Bethesda builds huge interconnected worlds where no matter where you go you find something to do and write your own story. Usually poorly written story, but it's yours. FNV allows for a better written branching story, but it's not an open narrative and it's all connected to a strong central narrative. So while FNV is a better game the fact that it's using Fallout 3 as a base highlights how many things it abandons, and how more traditional it is, it's a step back in a sense that doing a classical painting is a step back from doing an expressionist one. Also that plenty of vocal RPG fans value about the genre - good writing, clear branching paths, ending slides. I think plenty of people didn't really notice much smaller world size and detail, lack of living world, random encounters etc. I am playing through Dead Money for the first time in 10 years and here I see deva who are finally comfortable with the engine. It also helps that the setting is much more appropriate for all the Fallout 3 "apocalypse was last month" assets as they caused a dissonance in the Mojave. They also shoved so many new mechanics in there!
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Nobody Interesting posted:I never posted about it at the time but I just watched an episode of Star Trek Enterprise with Roger Cross (Ulysses) in it and it reminded me it might be worth to share. That’s a high quality snake and Ulysses is a good name for him. Ulysses in FNV kinda sucks but there are plenty of cooler Ulysses out there, like that snake.
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i like ulysses but he’s also a character that had so much buildup that it’s hard for anyone to live up to that. it’s a shame that we didn’t get him in either of his previous intended roles but i can still appreciate him for what he is
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The issue with characters like that is that they make feel dialogue options extremely limited. When a character acts all mysterious and metaphorical you want an option to ask him to cut the BS. Something similar happens in Dead Money too, in a way: characters you meet don't trust you and you can threaten and force them to do what you want, but there's no real reason for it and the conflict feels forced.
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Mar 25, 2023 21:12
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I liked how passing a skill check in dead money would lead to dean hating you for being a smartass. That should happen more often in rpgs
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FrancisFukyomama posted:I liked how passing a skill check in dead money would lead to dean hating you for being a smartass. That should happen more often in rpgs Yes but rpgs should also hide whether or not a dialogue option is a skill check reduce people gaming the system via minmaxing
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Only one that comes close is Alpha Protocol, where characters would remember eight hours down the line whether they hated you for being obnoxious
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FrancisFukyomama posted:I liked how passing a skill check in dead money would lead to dean hating you for being a smartass. That should happen more often in rpgs Pentiment* does something similar, where your character can have a background in studying logic, but almost invariably if you use that background in conversation you end up just annoying the person you're talking to rather than accomplishing anything useful. *Also by Obsidian, and of which there's an LP currently going on here.
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Arc Hammer posted:Yes but rpgs should also hide whether or not a dialogue option is a skill check reduce people gaming the system via minmaxing I use a mod for this in New Vegas, and it's great. Usually you can deduce whether a speech option will work by reading it, but sometimes not.
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I don't remember if The Outer Worlds let you do that (different leads) but Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny both let you hide dialogue option tags. To be honest, doing that by default is a bad idea for a mainstream title, every single game that does it ends up being accused of not having enough dialogue options/skill influence because people don't notice that some of the options were triggered by their own build.
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cheesetriangles posted:Who was lonesome road meant to appeal to other than Chris avallone. That's why I loved it.
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cheesetriangles posted:Who was lonesome road meant to appeal to other than Chris avallone. I mean, I wanted to solve the mystery of this other Courier you hear about everywhere in the main story and all the other DLC. Also LR made ED-E an actual character worth caring about.
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NikkolasKing posted:I mean, I wanted to solve the mystery of this other Courier you hear about everywhere in the main story and all the other DLC. I would have done that but good.
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Yes, but have you considered that you got to see a
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Holograms are stupid. I've just spend and embarrassing amount of time on the last room of Dead Money with 3 holograms. I've only found 1 emitter and had to use a grenade to take it out. And Elijah's plan is based on using holograms to destroy NCR. I appreciate the game gives you an opportunity to tell him it's dumb cause it feels like rest of this DLC was based on characters being intentionally vague and MC not being allowed to ask real important questions.
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ilitarist posted:Holograms are stupid. I've just spend and embarrassing amount of time on the last room of Dead Money with 3 holograms. I've only found 1 emitter and had to use a grenade to take it out. And Elijah's plan is based on using holograms to destroy NCR. I appreciate the game gives you an opportunity to tell him it's dumb cause it feels like rest of this DLC was based on characters being intentionally vague and MC not being allowed to ask real important questions. I thought the secret Elijah ending has the hologram thing actually work though you’d think after the first few encounters people would figure out to shoot the emitters
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If you've ever gotten into a gunfight with wastelanders you know that tactical fighting is not really their strong suit. They have a tendency to strafe and fire blindly
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"lol all you have to do to defeat the invincible ghosts that shoot you with energy weapon grade lasers is to ignore them, run by them and attack hidden emitters while they shoot you in the back and you're choking to death in a weird fog, what a stupid plan Elijah" I guess it'd be stupid if Elijah had to ask you to wait to fight while he physically walks the emitter over to the battle site.  Pretty nightmarish and effective defense for the average wastelander.
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I mean Elijah says outright the holograms and poo poo were extraneous, he wanted the infinite vending machines (and also the death gas but mostly the vending machines)
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DeathChicken posted:I mean Elijah says outright the holograms and poo poo were extraneous, he wanted the infinite vending machines (and also the death gas but mostly the vending machines) You're misremembering. Everything in the Madre is integral to his plan. quote:The Holograms here kill trespassers. That's what I want. Dump one of those emitters in the middle of any battle, there's no defense. It's like holding light in your hands. Can't fight it... only watch it burn. Just one is a portable army. Arm it - anyone stands against you, dies.
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The emitters work better as battlefield technology if you remember the vending machines would give him access to pretty much an infinite supply of them
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Put a vending machine programmed to dispense free liquor and cigarettes in the middle of the battlefield with a hologram nearby... Soon the enemy troops will be climbing over mountains of dead comrades to get to it
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oh jay posted:You're misremembering. Everything in the Madre is integral to his plan. Yeah. This plan would make a certain sense if this was a standalone story in a generic post apocalyptic setting. But we know a lot about the old world already. When you fight holograms, evade the cloud and use vending machines you dismiss these horrors and wonders as gamey mechanics, you don't think "drat, these vending machines could have solved the world hunger issue" or "these holograms and the cloud could destroy whole armies". The fact that Sierra Madre turns out to have the best tech in the world (even more useful than Big MT) and you've already seen all the treasures Elijah seeks is such an odd twist. It's as if Call of Duty game ended with bad guy cloning the hero because of his ability to regenerate health. Apparently bad ending says Elijah's plan works, but I prefer to ignore it and am glad the courier can tell him he's a psycho.
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NikkolasKing posted:Also LR made ED-E an actual character worth caring about. someone here posted that ED-E’s ending was too obvious and i can’t really argue with that but at the same time the way the additional animations just give that li’l guy so much character and i cant help but to care for him
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ilitarist posted:It's as if Call of Duty game ended with bad guy cloning the hero because of his ability to regenerate health. The tenth Friday the 13th film starts off with a premise remarkably like that. Jason Voorhees has been captured and is about to be put into cryonic suspension, because he clearly has incredible regenerative powers and studying him will advance medical science. (It goes somewhat wrong and he ends up being frozen but not studied in the 21st century. I forget why, but I'm guessing everyone who knew about the plan was dead and everyone else just thought having him frozen was good enough. Movie's set on the space station where he's thawed out four hundred years later.) Contains the line: "Guys, it's okay! He just wanted his machete back!"
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Also the crew distracting Jason with holograms of horny teenagers. "We love drugs and sex!"
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ilitarist posted:Yeah. This plan would make a certain sense if this was a standalone story in a generic post apocalyptic setting. But we know a lot about the old world already. When you fight holograms, evade the cloud and use vending machines you dismiss these horrors and wonders as gamey mechanics, you don't think "drat, these vending machines could have solved the world hunger issue" or "these holograms and the cloud could destroy whole armies". The fact that Sierra Madre turns out to have the best tech in the world (even more useful than Big MT) and you've already seen all the treasures Elijah seeks is such an odd twist. It's as if Call of Duty game ended with bad guy cloning the hero because of his ability to regenerate health. Apparently bad ending says Elijah's plan works, but I prefer to ignore it and am glad the courier can tell him he's a psycho. Or alternatively, he could be rambling about how your much-maligned pipboy gives you the ability to stop time by looking at it.
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https://www.pcgamer.com/chris-avellone-accepts-seven-figure-payment-to-settle-libel-suit-with-those-who-accused-him-of-sexual-misconduct/ That's a lot of money.
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Arc Hammer posted:https://www.pcgamer.com/chris-avellone-accepts-seven-figure-payment-to-settle-libel-suit-with-those-who-accused-him-of-sexual-misconduct/ The actual statement doesn't say he was paid the settlement, just that there was one involved.
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Avellowns fake edit: I don't really have a horse in the race and am not willing to take sides because I don't know enough, I just wanted to say Avellowns. Avellowned for balance.
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Arc Hammer posted:https://www.pcgamer.com/chris-avellone-accepts-seven-figure-payment-to-settle-libel-suit-with-those-who-accused-him-of-sexual-misconduct/ It's a lot more complicated than that. Most every trial lawyer who's looked into it just go lol at the idea Avellone got that much.
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Cattle in the old corral the open range all 'round Sunlight and the smell of new mowed hay I remember though I've wandered how much happiness I'd found Still i wish that I could be back there today
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Lone Star is the foremost reason to listen to Mojave Music Radio over Radio New Vegas. Easily the best song in the game. If only MMR had an announcer...
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Arc Hammer posted:https://www.pcgamer.com/chris-avellone-accepts-seven-figure-payment-to-settle-libel-suit-with-those-who-accused-him-of-sexual-misconduct/ It seems... really weird that they're just retracting their statements like that
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Thinking about revisiting goat RPG Fallout New Vegas, but I am gonna play it on Xbox series. So, does the Gamepass version include all the DLC? Also I love that this thread is still going. It’s the reason I fell in love with the game in the first place.
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Is there any mod that changes the way ammo case recovery works for revolvers? Doing a playthrough with revolvers only and only finding/crafting ammo and it only makes sense to me that when using a revolver, you'd be able to keep every spent casing since they're retained in the cylinder.
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BurningBeard posted:Thinking about revisiting goat RPG Fallout New Vegas, but I am gonna play it on Xbox series. So, does the Gamepass version include all the DLC? Also I love that this thread is still going. It’s the reason I fell in love with the game in the first place. It does not include the dlc.
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