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Dessel posted:I presume this thread has already established that the Crime Planet/system (M'talas) was named after him in a previous Trek show? I only know because I was curious whether the planet had been previously established in Trek lore. yeah, it first shows up in a line on enterprise. from memory alpha: quote:The Enterprise NX-01 visited M'talas Prime during its historic mission of exploration in the mid-22nd century. In 2152, while stranded on an uninhabited and rapidly heating moon with an Arkonian named Zho'Kaan, Commander Charles Tucker III reminisced about some of the experiences he had while on Enterprise, including seeing the ringed moons of M'talas Prime. (ENT: "Dawn") there's also a planet straight up called "Matalas", apparently quote:Matalas was a planet where Doctor Phlox was once nearly overwhelmed by fifty patients in a refugee camp. how much of this was brannon braga and how much of it was terry (his assistant) is not something they go into, but the guy clearly loves putting himself in there
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DaveKap posted:If Picard has taught me one thing, it's that I'll enjoy "characters I like doing good acting in a bad show" before I'll enjoy "characters I couldn't give any shits about doing bad acting in a bad show." I hear you, but for me the trouble is Picard has turned several characters I liked into the latter group. Like Picard himself, a formerly good actor who is no longer good at acting and/or doesn't give a poo poo about acting for this show. I'm also on the fence about nuWorf. On one hand, doesn't really act or talk like Worf. On the other, Worf's biggest thing was being a wildly inconsistent dude who sucked but you loved anyway. NuWorf is wildly inconsistent and sucks, so I suppose it's classic Worf in a way.
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re: 'demand': I appreciate the responses, but I'm definitely not any happier for the answers.  Khanstant posted:I'm also on the fence about nuWorf. On one hand, doesn't really act or talk like Worf. On the other, Worf's biggest thing was being a wildly inconsistent dude who sucked but you loved anyway. NuWorf is wildly inconsistent and sucks, so I suppose it's classic Worf in a way. Everybody keeps talking about how they think Worf's dialog is nailing it but it's not landing for me. All his little quips, asides, and misunderstandings make him sound more like classic Data to me. My Second Re-Reg fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Wee Bairns posted:The reanimated corpse of Jim Kirk is the final boss. Their extensive statistical analysis has discovered that Captains Archer, Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Janeway possess the unique and largely inexplicable ability to cause complicated sequences of events to be able to be representable in a roughly 50-minute reenactment. Research into genetically engineering a perfect captain-protagonist who can reduce a galaxy-ending conflict into a particularly tense two-parter is ongoing.
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blastron posted:Their extensive statistical analysis has discovered that Captains Archer, Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Janeway possess the unique and largely inexplicable ability to cause complicated sequences of events to be able to be representable in a roughly 50-minute reenactment. Research into genetically engineering a perfect captain-protagonist who can reduce a galaxy-ending conflict into a particularly tense two-parter is ongoing. The instability between the need for coffee and the need for tea has been an issue they are not yet able to overcome
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putting all the captain dna in a big stew like it’s loving serpentor
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he had no choice but to feature m'talas prime heavily. if he hadnt, all the people would be crying out, why isn't this happening in m'talas prime, what happened to m'talas prime. his hands were frankly tied
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terry really didnt want to feature new jersey so heavily. he really didnt. but you see it was one of the only habitable areas he could choose from following world war iii, having been featured in the 22nd century already. we should not envy him for his creative burden. its a thankless job
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Alan_Shore posted:It wouldn't have been a heist. It's a Starfleet museum. They probably just beamed aboard, took it, and beamed back. Glad they didn't waste time on it. I don't know that it needed to be a heist but... it needed to be something more than just showing us a CGI bird of prey, a few lines of exposition, and then suddenly our heroes have a 100 year old cloaking device that somehow still works. It just comes off as a cheap, unearned nostalgia play. What if we had visited the Starfleet Museum towards the beginning of the season where we learned from Georgi that the Bounty was being moved there from a Museum by San Francisco Bay (Where is loving should be) Now our heroes know where they can get a cloaking device and we can have a scene where they return to Athan Prime and have to convince Geordi to help them for old time's sake.
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Crusader posted:putting all the captain dna in a big stew like it’s loving serpentor Thats what Jack is, he looks like Kirk, sounds like Picard. Whoa.
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Boy you guys will be mad when the new hero ship saves the gang in the episode 10 is the Matalas-class Enterprise F. (Not to be confused with the planet M'Talas, entirely different.)
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xerxus posted:Boy you guys will be mad when the new hero ship saves the gang in the episode 10 is the Matalas-class Enterprise F. (Not to be confused with the planet M'Talas, entirely different.) And Terry guest starring as the Captain.
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good: Shaw geeking out with LaForge bad: Shaw literally using the term "geek out" It's becoming clear that Jurati played a crucial role in the ecosystem of PicardShow's writing room, serving as the de facto Joss Whedon Character. With her gone, we end up with Quippy Worf and "Excellent use of the word 'burgle'" Riker.
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"excellent use of the word 'burgle' felt like something an aide to a CEO would say as a suck-up line while both are standing on a golf course, except it's self-congratulatory writing from someone who might be upper-class or managerial enough to think it's normal. The writer for the episode was previously executive producer for 16 episodes and 31 episodes of 9-1-1 on FOX
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“Excellent use of the word burgle, sir” could straight up be Smithers talking to Mr. Burns.
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That line has the feeling of a dumb offhand comment made in the writer's room that got turned into an inside joke and then wrote into an episode.
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burgle isn't even a particularly novel word, what the hell was up with that
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stuart scott posted:burgle isn't even a particularly novel word, what the hell was up with that It's an ancient word from 200 years prior.
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love to give myself a little pat on the back after googling 'stole tehsaurus'
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Sounds like Matalas's astroturf campaign was successful and Star Trek: Legacy just got greenlit because the Toilet Lord is in full on making GBS threads and pissing meltdown mode over his #TrustedSources today: https://twitter.com/doomcock/status/1640483034213552131 You kinda love to see it in a hosed up way.
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nine-gear crow posted:Sounds like Matalas's astroturf campaign was successful and Star Trek: Legacy just got greenlit because the Toilet Lord is in full on making GBS threads and pissing meltdown mode over his #TrustedSources today: I really don’t dude, and I wish you would find/make some other thread to gawk at pop culture fascists and their incomprehensible babble in
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Wait, so if the fascists hate the Captain Shaw Show does that mean it's OK to like it? I'm so confused.  [spoiler]Don't care, I will continue to stan the Captain Shaw Show anyway.[/spolier] galagazombie posted:Really hate how this season seems to basically be saying “Bashir was wrong . We should have genocided the changeling menace when we had the chance! Coexistence is naive!” Like they’ve set up the universe where xenophobia doesn’t just work, it’s downright the most optimal choice. Maybe if these are a splinter group of Changelings maybe Worf should just call Odo and have the Main Changelings take care of these assholes. Presumably they'd be better at detecting them and stopping them than Solids. (I know René Auberjonois is gone, but I also feel they wouldn't go there because this is the TNG nostalgia show with a tiny bit of Voyager thrown in, with no room for DS9.)
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Astroman posted:(I know René Auberjonois is gone, but I also feel they wouldn't go there because this is the TNG nostalgia show with a tiny bit of Voyager thrown in, with no room for DS9.) The thing that gets me the most is that for something that is being billed as the "TNG nostalgia show," there is shockingly little actual TNG nostalgia here. There wasn't even a Galaxy-class in the fleet museum, we saw examples of ships from every other show era except for the one most of the main cast are from!
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Penitent posted:I don't know that it needed to be a heist but... it needed to be something more than just showing us a CGI bird of prey, a few lines of exposition, and then suddenly our heroes have a 100 year old cloaking device that somehow still works. It feels like that would have added nothing and just wasted time while many people in this thread whined about MEMBERBERRIES AHHH STAR TREK 3!! 3 posted:The thing that gets me the most is that for something that is being billed as the "TNG nostalgia show," there is shockingly little actual TNG nostalgia here. There wasn't even a Galaxy-class in the fleet museum, we saw examples of ships from every other show era except for the one most of the main cast are from! They are most probably saving the D (ooh err) for later, not as a quick cutaway like Voyager. At least, they better be!
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3 posted:There wasn't even a Galaxy-class in the fleet museum, we saw examples of ships from every other show era except for the one most of the main cast are from! There's a reason why a Galaxy-class wasn't shown at the museum and it's one of the shows worst kept secrets
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They could have given us a Sovereign class then if they aren’t saving it for later.
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Astroman posted:Maybe if these are a splinter group of Changelings maybe Worf should just call Odo and have the Main Changelings take care of these assholes. Presumably they'd be better at detecting them and stopping them than Solids. (I know René Auberjonois is gone, but I also feel they wouldn't go there because this is the TNG nostalgia show with a tiny bit of Voyager thrown in, with no room for DS9.) Which, y'know, still raises the question of why Worf isn't calling Odo.
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Seemlar posted:There's a reason why a Galaxy-class wasn't shown at the museum and it's one of the shows worst kept secrets The federation obviously sold the rights to the Galaxy-class to the Ferengis in a particular bad deal. The federation always get screwed in every deal they make with the Ferengis but for some reason they still keep on making them. 
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angerbeet posted:“Excellent use of the word burgle, sir” could straight up be Smithers talking to Mr. Burns. This is perfect and I hate it.
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angerbeet posted:“Excellent use of the word burgle, sir” could straight up be Smithers talking to Mr. Burns. lol this was literally what i thought right after hearing the line you can even hear it in his voice
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3 posted:The thing that gets me the most is that for something that is being billed as the "TNG nostalgia show," there is shockingly little actual TNG nostalgia here. There wasn't even a Galaxy-class in the fleet museum, we saw examples of ships from every other show era except for the one most of the main cast are from! Stargazer was there. This series has referenced that ship a lot considering what an awkward kitbash design it is (I’ve always liked it anyway).
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dr_rat posted:The federation obviously sold the rights to the Galaxy-class to the Ferengis in a particular bad deal. “This time we’ll negotiate back our past losses and get a good deal” “Ah well, nevertheless”
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LividLiquid posted:I thought they were a splinter group. I thought Odo called Worf and alerted him to the splinter group of Changelings in the first place? And they're keeping quiet to prevent an interstellar incident.
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I'm quite enjoying this new season. This is rather faint praise. I certainly wouldn't say it's good, and if it wasn't for the first two absolutely awful seasons I might be singing a different tune, but it looks and sounds good, it features old favourite characters quite prominently and makes an effort to at least do some decent spacecraft scenes. The writing is still a bucket of poo poo, but after the first two seasons it's rather expected. So when it's not entirely awful, it's a welcome surprise. I would usually be pretty irritated by the blatant Nostalgia baiting, which historically has been absolutely nauseating in the Disco, Lower Decks and the other Star Trek properties. But it's not bothering me so much in this. Perhaps I've just been beaten up with it so much that i'm starting to accept it.
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Seemlar posted:There's a reason why a Galaxy-class wasn't shown at the museum and it's one of the shows worst kept secrets Which is at least somewhat smart to omit it from the museum tour. I still say the Titan having the Connie layout is a mistake for the same reason
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Gaz-L posted:I still say the Titan having the Connie layout is a mistake for the same reason Particularly given the design has no relevance to TNG era, and when another Star Trek show is airing as we speak that also heavily leans on the 'remember this ship?' design. Would have been a more appropriate nostalgia play to make the Titan look more like the Sovereign class.
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I love how we both have the nu-Connie in SNW as well as the literal copy-pasted old one in Picard for some reason. Good work, guys!
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HD DAD posted:I love how we both have the nu-Connie in SNW as well as the literal copy-pasted old one in Picard for some reason. Good work, guys! The non-refit actually fits in with canon. In the TNG episode where Scotty comes back, Relics, he has his scene on the holodeck with the simulated bridge of the OG Enterprise. Picard joins him and immediately recognizes it as a Constitution class, and says there's one at the fleet museum.
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3 posted:The thing that gets me the most is that for something that is being billed as the "TNG nostalgia show," there is shockingly little actual TNG nostalgia here. There wasn't even a Galaxy-class in the fleet museum, we saw examples of ships from every other show era except for the one most of the main cast are from! I don't have the episode handy at the moment but one of the LaForge kids said something about a specific bay of the museum right after they mentioned that all the modern ships are networked. I'd bet real money (though not a lot) that that's where the D is being refurbished for a big surprise at They are absolutely going to have the Enterprise D ride to the rescue with the whole original crew at their stations with the TNG theme blaring and it will make me cry in spite of myself. Gangringo fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Gangringo posted:I don't have the episode handy at the moment but one of the LaForge kids said something about a specific bay of the museum right after they mentioned that all the modern ships are networked. I'd bet real money (though not a lot) that that's where the D is being refurbished for a big surprise at
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