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SAMs were capable of downing strategic bombers regardless of altitude even in vietnam in the 70s, against China's actual modern weapons with 50 more years of development high altitude strategic bombing is a thoroughly dead concept
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Ardennes posted:Granted, it would mostly suffer from the same issues, the US has its own defenses. Do we? Haven't seen anti-aircraft defenses around the US since the Nike missile batteries closed down. I think we are relying on our giant moat and land-based f-35s mostly.
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sullat posted:Do we? Haven't seen anti-aircraft defenses around the US since the Nike missile batteries closed down. I think we are relying on our giant moat and land-based f-35s mostly. In the context I was talking about radar systems, since you wouldn’t want to just defend against stealth bombers with SAMs, you need interceptors. I doubt a Chinese bomber would be able to just fly in as it wanted as well.
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sullat posted:Do we? Haven't seen anti-aircraft defenses around the US since the Nike missile batteries closed down. I think we are relying on our giant moat and land-based f-35s mostly. patriots replaced the old nike and all other homeland defense poo poo and they're all over the place
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a Chinese balloon, however,
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sullat posted:Do we? Haven't seen anti-aircraft defenses around the US since the Nike missile batteries closed down. I think we are relying on our giant moat and land-based f-35s mostly. america still has the JSS (several dozen networked ground based radar stations) and the air force reserve and air national guard have something like 900 f-16s in service, it dwarfs the rest of the air force nobody is flying planes across the entire goddamn ocean and doing poo poo indigi posted:a Chinese balloon, however,
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atelier morgan posted:SAMs were capable of downing strategic bombers regardless of altitude even in vietnam in the 70s, against China's actual modern weapons with 50 more years of development high altitude strategic bombing is a thoroughly dead concept Modern bombers largely carry long range missiles they can fore from beyond SAM range, unless just bombing insurgents. In some cases, like the new TU-160 upgrades, they are explicitly called “missile bombers” B-52s, B-1s, B-2s, B-21s are also based around being missile carriers nowadays. Ardennes posted:In the context I was talking about radar systems, since you wouldn’t want to just defend against stealth bombers with SAMs, you need interceptors. Plus, there are range problems for a Chinese bomber and its long-range payloads being capable of reaching the US mainland. In the future, not so much, but it’s a limitation today. Long range aviation is an area where the US and Russia still hold a lot more capability.
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My impression on the balloon was that of course the US and China have a billion spy balloons, satellites and other gizmos over each other at all times because that’s just being a great power, and to avoid escalation everyone involved just kinda plans around it. But one balloon malfunctioned and sank low enough the peasants saw it and then the media made it a story, so they have to publicly blow it up to look like big strong men and go on a shooting spree for the next few weeks downing balloons they knew were there but were planning to ignore because now the hoi polloi are actively looking for balloons and might notice you don’t usually shoot them down.
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Ardennes posted:The Marine Corps is keeping its Harriers The harrier is a great example that poo poo ain't right. In 2014, the plan was to retire the Harriers by 2025: quote:Now, the Harrier will be retired in 2025 and the Hornets will hang on until 2029 for the active duty Marines. In reality VMA-211 transitioned to F-35B in 2022, that's 8 years late and even after the 2014 timeline for the entire West Coast Harrier force to have switched: quote:Marine Attack Squadron 214, Marine Aircraft Group 13, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing, conducted a re-designation ceremony at Marine Corps Air Station Yuma, Arizona, March 25, 2022. Now the plan is to operate the Harriers until 2029! quote:In January 2021, U.S. Department of the Navy awarded Vertex Aerospace LLC the $123 million Contracted Maintenance, Modification, Aircrew, and Related Services (CMMARS) task order in July 2020 to provide aircraft maintenance and Contractor Logistics Support (CLS) services for the U.S. Marine Corps’ AV-8B Harrier fleet until 2029. Together, BAE Systems and Vertex Aerospace will support the crucial training and combat operations conducted from U.S. Navy’s aircraft carriers, amphibious assault ships, and forward operating bases. And they're reducing the number of F35 per squadron from 16 to 10: quote:According to the FY2022 Marine Corps Aviation Plan (MCAP) that has been released in the first week of May, the United States Marine Corps (USMC) plans to reduce the number of F-35 Lightning II fighters planned for some Marine Fighter Attack squadrons but is not reducing the Programme of Record (POR) of 420 F-35s, at 353 F-35Bs and 67 F-35Cs. that's certainly all the signs of a successful fighter program and not a boondoggle, yes sir.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Are they even still manufacturing Harriers They haven’t in 20 years… it’s cool it’s cool.
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Ardennes posted:They haven’t in 20 years… it’s cool it’s cool. gently caress, no wonder there's no True Lies remake
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:IDK how the military accounts for things, but you should in theory be able to have squadrons at 100% readiness without having all the planes working because there should be spares, especially for machines that need maintenance after every time they are used. LOL at that F-35 readiness rate though. I've see people in comments sections saying all of NATO should be buying the F-35, it's performs better and is cheaper to maintain than the Eurofighter, Rafale, or Gripen, and that just does not seem possible. The F series has been mediocre for years and is loaded with microtransactions. I am much, much more excited about the next entry in the Eurofighter × Gripen series. Guys if your MIC is incompetent, it’s ok to just say that. If you want to ban Tik Tok, you can just say that. You didn’t need to combine both together as some kind of excuse. This is like when my small child comes up multi-part explanations for why she should have another cup of juice. You can just ask, kiddo! Ardennes posted:The Serbs at least had some air defense.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Are they even still manufacturing Harriers no they have since upgraded to newer planes that kill their pilots in far more advanced ways
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Cerebral Bore posted:no they have since upgraded to newer planes that kill their pilots in far more advanced ways One more area where maybe the F-35 will be more advanced, but it can never catch up to the sheer quantity of pilot death the early Harriers could pull off. So far, zero US pilots have died in F-35s, and one Japanese pilot died (got disoriented during night flight and died from high speed controlled flight into the ocean). mlmp08 has issued a correction as of 14:50 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:i loving wish Have you tried getting good?
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:IDK how the military accounts for things, but you should in theory be able to have squadrons at 100% readiness without having all the planes working because there should be spares, especially for machines that need maintenance after every time they are used. LOL at that F-35 readiness rate though. I've see people in comments sections saying all of NATO should be buying the F-35, it's performs better and is cheaper to maintain than the Eurofighter, Rafale, or Gripen, and that just does not seem possible. All of NATO should buy it to support American industries.
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155mm shells should be the easiest thing in the world to make, it’s a French design from the Great War, but here we are. Russia’s 152mm is a Tsarist design of the same era (Russia’s medium and heavy guns after 1900 were designed by a French firm) and somehow they haven’t lost the arcane secrets of making them. e: China makes 155mm shells because, like the Tsar, they contracted a western firm in the mid 80’s. In this case, Austrian company Voest-Alpine, who licensed their GC-45 howitzer. Murdered Canadian Hero Gerald Bull was involved in the project so technically Chinese 155mm guns and shells have better ballistics, but they don’t make that fancy ammo too much. What they do make is mountains of 155mm ammo that would be compatible with NATO guns (or WW1 French guns). So, again, China stay winning. Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 17:27 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Real hurthling! posted:guess its hard to build big bullet in the dark idk I'm guessing they use an electric arc foundry to melt down all of the metals
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neoliberalism is self-evidently the best economic system in the world, we just have the small problem of being overrun by enemy armies because running bitcoin farms is more profitable than munitions factories
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Cerebral Bore posted:neoliberalism is self-evidently the best economic system in the world, we just have the small problem of being overrun by enemy armies because running bitcoin farms is more profitable than munitions factories The problem is the nationalized armed forces. If the free market was allowed to operate correctly then competition amongst Armed Forces would find the correct price for Defense Services.
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come to think of it, me and some dudes have got these spare dune buggies and leather gear lying around, maybe we should start providing a sort of roving protection service for communities too small to afford their own contracted armed forces? we'd have to take a modest fee in exchange, of course. guzzolene doesn't grow on trees you know?
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Pulcinella posted:
it was more complicated than that iirc a doctrine to never fly the same route twice with a stealth aircraft was ignored in Serbia so they knew the routes and tower disruption gave them a clue as to when the F-117 would be in SAM range
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Filthy Hans posted:it was more complicated than that What would doing the bold accomplish?
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mycomancy posted:What would doing the bold accomplish? the stealth bomber getting blown up in serbia was due to predictable flight plans
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mycomancy posted:What would doing the bold accomplish? knowing the flight routes being used enabled the shootdown https://theaviationgeekclub.com/an-...n-allied-force/ quote:'For these ambushes they employed two radar systems. First the P-18 “Spoon Rest D” early warning radar. This radar is a Soviet Union radar system that operates in the VHF frequency. Typical it can detect a fighter aircraft out to 200 nautical miles. The Serb’s discovered that by setting it to its absolute lowest frequency, and thus largest bandwidth, they could detect the F-117As. However, at these settings the radar cannot provide very good information on the F-117s, and the “early warning” radar could only detect them withing 15 miles. This is a very poor detection range indeed, however if you just so happen to know the route your enemy is flying, it is enough to let you know when they are getting within range of your other systems.
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it’s like taking a different route everyday if you are in a place that gets targeted for ransom/terrorism/kidnapping.
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mycomancy posted:What would doing the bold accomplish? That's based on the nato vs serbia war f117 shootdown. nato ran the same attacks day after day so the serbs knew where the attacks were coming from and they lost a stealth jet. A very smart serb sam commander set his radar to the lowest frequency it could go, meaning that it had increased perceptive capabilities in close range but a smaller range and could detect stealth jets in the reduced area. But nato had countermeasures so if they detected a bunch of radar bursts they'd fire missiles at the sam sites, so zoltan the sam commander would only do 2 20 second radar bursts before packing up his site and moving. BUT on the night in question zoltan knew from spies that the nato cruise missile planes weren't operational, so when they detected the f117s they hosed the fuckers down with radar, got a lock, and shot his rear end down. It's a very neat david vs goliath story
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Hatebag posted:That's based on the nato vs serbia war f117 shootdown. nato ran the same attacks day after day so the serbs knew where the attacks were coming from and they lost a stealth jet. then, years later, he baked a f117-shaped cake for the pilot
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bedpan posted:then, years later, he baked a f117-shaped cake for the pilot He seems cool
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bedpan posted:then, years later, he baked a f117-shaped cake for the pilot FYI another one was hit but made it back to base, his came out like 2020.
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