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Ravenfood posted:The Andalites being so consistently lovely is incredibly believable and yet seems like such a bold choice for a "YA" book. I love it. It really does rule. The powerful are never your friend, and they must be forced into doing the right thing is a great lesson for a children's series. Capfalcon fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Epicurius posted:
Just wanted to highlight how this was foreshadowed (intentionally or accidentally) all the way back in The Andalite Chronicles. disaster pastor posted:
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 13:30 |
I hope we get a view of how the andalite citizenry view this. Having the communications going out to the civilians really cinched things here.
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Soonmot posted:I hope we get a view of how the andalite citizenry view this. Having the communications going out to the civilians really cinched things here. Much like the average citizenry from a developed country, they’ll just care about Earth as a tourist destination and come to sample the cinnamon bunz-uh.
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# ? Mar 27, 2023 18:15 |
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quote:“Our victory could never have occurred without the support of our Andalite friends.” Not only did the Andalites never do jack for Earth, but the Animorphs were probably pivotal in the allied victory on Leera. Epicurius posted:i guess suffering has made Alloran humble, i'll say that even though not a lot of attention is paid to Ax over the course of the series beyond him being the butt of jokes, this is a very different Ax than the one we first met. Ax is often comic relief but I think we see a lot more of him than just being butt of the jokes - he gets some of the best books in the series, certainly some of the ones that are most important to the overall sense of Andalites as simultaneously potential saviours/destroyers that we see concluding here, and I always liked his character arc of being lost and lonely in a strange foreign world, and ending up becoming partly loyal to it so that he feels torn between his two people. I thought it odd at first that neither of these two chapters was narrated by him, but I actually think it works better watching the culmination of that arc in third person. It's a troubling reminder for the humans that they're still vulnerable to the decisions of a superior power, but also that that power has its own factions and they have their own allies within it. Even long before this point, they never would have made it this far without Ax on the team. quote:<If my challenge fails I will be harshly disciplined,> Ax said. <I will be exiled. Permanently. And my tail blade … My tail blade will be cut off.> Sounds like more Cinnabon time to me. Win-win.
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freebooter posted:Not only did the Andalites never do jack for Earth, but the Animorphs were probably pivotal in the allied victory on Leera. In complete fairness, I bet the Andalites did a ton of damage to the Yeerk forces around Earth in the first book, but yeah, after that, Earth has been on its own.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 00:56 |
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Couldn't Ax just morph and regain the tail blade that way?
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 03:10 |
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Yeah, the only tailless Andalite that shows up is Mertil-Iscar-Elmand and he has an "allergy" to morphing so he can't grow it back. Guess we can only assume the act itself is super dishonorable, even if Ax could repair it.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:00 |
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You're a loose cannon, Aximili. Hand in your badge and tail-blade.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 04:08 |
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Chapter 9 - Cassiequote:Things happened quickly. and that's Rachel's goodbye. i think she would want it....instead of being in some monument, to be with Tobias. Chapter 10-Marco One year later quote:My career was going pretty well. I was past the point of being a fad, anyway. I’d done seven appearances total on Letterman and Leno, plus several times each on Jon Stewart and Conan. The Today Show, Good Morning America, Oprah? Been there. Bill O’Reilly called me a genuine American hero. I’d been on CNN so many times that Greta Van Susteren and I were practically roommates. Guest-VJ on MTV? Of course. Hey, Marco got what he wanted, to be rich and a big celebrity. Cassie isn't, but she's doing what she wants to do, Jake is pretty haunted by his experiences, and Ax is serving as a liaison.. This catches us up with what's been going on over the past year with everyone ....and people were asking what Andaliite civilians are like, and the answer is pretty cool, honestly. Civilian Andalites are a lot more chill than their military, humans and Andalites get along pretty well, and rich Andalites come to earth to see the sights and gorge on food,
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 05:45 |
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Arbon deserved better.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 06:13 |
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I thought that was a very well written description of Jake's PTSD. I have heard people speculate that Marco's parents didn't last after the war was over - his omission of how they're doing is notable - what do y'all think?
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JesusSinfulHands posted:I thought that was a very well written description of Jake's PTSD. at the very least his lie about the timing of his math teacher's infestation would probably come out once she was freed. That would be... a mess.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 08:16 |
Oof.quote:I guess Rachel would have liked it, in her own way. She would have laughed. She would have thought it was all way over the top, but at the same time, she would have liked the attention. Would have, but she was a few ounces of ash in a jar resting inside an open wooden box. Ooooooooof.
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Arbon's death is absolutely brutal. Dude lived for like 20 years as a Taxxon, finally won a kind of freedom for his adoptive people and ends up going down less than a year later for no real reason other than some senseless violence. And while Marco's calling attention to how Jake and Tobias clearly aren't handling the post war very well, its also telling that Cassie seems to be coping by piling herself so full of things to do she doesn't really have time to think. She's working as an undersecretary and taking college classes at the same time, she definitely looks like she's on the path to burnout.
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quote:Two days later, Rachel’s body was cremated. It was inconceivable that she’d ever want to be buried in the ground. She ended up as a few handfuls of ashes in a pretty china urn. loving hell this crushed me. This is what really elevates Applegate's writing style above other YA books for me. Yeah the writing style is simple, but there's something about this direct and sober treatment of anguish and grief that is just outstanding.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:I thought that was a very well written description of Jake's PTSD. I don't think Marco would have omitted it if his parents had split up, especially given how much of his arc was getting them back together. It'd go along with the tone of the chapter more IMO if he mentioned it and brushed it off, or if he used it to point out how his life wasn't all sunshine and roses, but he was handling things better than Jake. Because the thing Marco is secretly best at out of all of them is coping. Whatever you throw at him, he can get over it and move on. Jake can't, though, and I also like seeing his aftermath through Marco's eyes. Marco knows why Jake can't cope or move on, he has a pretty complete and accurate assessment of Jake's mental state (including how it looks to other people who don't know him), he knows exactly why Jake feels this way, and he takes it seriously, he just can't feel the same way. Marco's life looks shallow because in many ways it is, but he's not lying: he's happy, Jake and Cassie aren't, and he gets it but that ain't him.
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quote:Alloran turned his main eyes to me. He gave me a strange look. <I never hoped to be free again. You freed me. I have done what I have done in my life. I am what I am, though I may have gained at least some wisdom through the years of enslavement to Visser One. Just the same, I will always be This is from a few chapters back, but it strikes me that in this moment that Alloran gets exactly the happy ending that Jake wanted for Tom.
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I got kinda misty-eyed at the image of Tobias flying off with Rachel's urn. Rip Rachel, who mattered.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 15:59 |
I hope we get at least one Tobias chapter. It's gut-wrenching that he only just got his reunion with Loren only to turn his back on human life.Rochallor posted:This is from a few chapters back, but it strikes me that in this moment that Alloran gets exactly the happy ending that Jake wanted for Tom. I haven't read up to this point, but I know the broad strokes of what happens in this ending arc. That said, Alloran's fate (if we're calling it that, I know there's still a lot of book left) was a pleasant surprise. I didn't realize he would play such a crucial role in such a pivotal moment in the endgame.
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disaster pastor posted:I don't think Marco would have omitted it if his parents had split up, especially given how much of his arc was getting them back together. It'd go along with the tone of the chapter more IMO if he mentioned it and brushed it off, or if he used it to point out how his life wasn't all sunshine and roses, but he was handling things better than Jake. Because the thing Marco is secretly best at out of all of them is coping. Whatever you throw at him, he can get over it and move on. I think this is on the money. I think Cassie is also doing well, too - an extremely driven person, yes, but not necessarily as a coping mechanism for trauma. "Under-secretary for resident aliens" sounds like a bit of a ceremonial title, a formalisation of her existing relationship with the free Hork-Bajir and morphed Taxxons. Two things about this wrap-up that never occurred to me as a kid: - Extremely depressing that this confirms the Blade Ship got away, which aside from meaning they go off to terrorise other parts of the galaxy, it means that on the great day of freedom for thousands of enslaved humans, there's still a few dozen of them who not only remain enslaved but are shanghaied off forever into a vast and alien galaxy - The Andalites refuse to pass the morphing tech on any further, but there must be a non-zero number of former human Controllers walking around California now who were given the morphing power as host bodies in the closing months of the war and therefore retain it after being freed. Pretty sweet compensation for the horrifying experience of body slavery: for the rest of your life you have full access to Thermals.
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# ? Mar 28, 2023 22:39 |
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Didn't Rachel die as a bear? Why does she have a human body?
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 01:20 |
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She demorphed after getting poisoned and the morphed polar bear killed her. They don't get into it but I assume the funeral was closed casket.
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I figure you can also handwave it a bit as the Ellimist making sure they found her body. Its so low stakes it probably doesn't matter for his game with Crayak since she died anyways.
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Rochallor posted:She demorphed after getting poisoned and the morphed polar bear killed her. Marco says she was cremated so there was no casket at the funeral.
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Chapter 11-Cassiequote:“Is Jake here yet?” I asked Marco. I figured I might as well find out right away. I wasn’t eager to see Jake. I mean, yes, I was. But the Jake I was eager to see might not even exist anymore. The Jake I wanted to see was the one who had talked about us being together after the war was over. it actually might be a good therapy. and, hey, the Andelites get Krispy Kreme. Chapter 12-Jake quote:“…Did conspire to subjugate the people of Earth through subversion, terror, and violence. Four. That the defendant did conspire to overthrow all legitimate forms of government through subversion, terror, and violence. Five. That the defendant did commit numerous acts of attempted murder. Six. That the defendant committed murder in the specifics contained in appendix 2C. Seven. That the defendant committed or caused to be committed numerous acts of torture in the specifics contained in appendix 2D. Eight. That the defendant did …” That's actually a pretty good depiction of PTSD.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 04:22 |
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The beatings will continue until morale improves
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 05:03 |
.....Marco just killed Jake. I guess his PTSD won't bother him now?
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 05:25 |
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Esplin being a smug poo poo and having his lawyers try to call Jake out as a fellow war criminal here at the Hague is the part of the book that always stuck with me, no idea why. I'll also say the legal precedents and throw away lines here are kind of insane in a lot of ways. Like not being able to call a host as a witness against their Yeerk is some wild poo poo
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 06:38 |
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Having a trial for all this just seems super weird. Would an alien even be subject to earth/human laws? The vissier's box is another idea that might have prevented this whole war if they thought of it sooner, huh. There's probably enough space tech to expand that into fully viable synthethic bodies for them.
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I want to know why the yeerk-box is lavender-coloured. Is it the Andalite version of danger red? Or toxic black and yellow? Or prison colours?
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Avalerion posted:Having a trial for all this just seems super weird. Would an alien even be subject to earth/human laws? Probably falls under the same as an invader being subject to the laws of the invaded nation, I guess. Idk. It's all made up but effective.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 07:43 |
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Imagine being one of Visser One's lawyers. Imagine having to find some way to defend him.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 09:00 |
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The comments earlier about freed hosts having morphing powers made me think about what an absolute cluster gently caress that would be. You can abuse the morphing power in many hard-to-detect ways, chiefly morphing small things and other humans. A soldier or terrorist might acquire someone of a similiar build and just go back and forth between morphing and demorphing every time they got injured. Old people could acquire younger people and turn nothlit (even with consent. Would you let your grandparent turn into a nothlit you?). How can you justify not giving the morphing power to someone who is critically injured? The andalites should just make a nerfed form that only restores you from your own DNA.
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Vandar posted:Imagine being one of Visser One's lawyers. For a case like Visser One, yes it's ceremonial, and that kind-of takes the pressure off. All you have to do is be professional, do your job, and now your CV has a celebrity case like no other attached to it. You'll get speaking gigs at Law Schools for the rest of your life. And to defend? That's up to personal interpretation. I'd go with the angle that Visser One was acting in accordance within Yeerk military norms and then when rightfully confronted with the overwhelming evidence that he was a sociopath-- that Yeerk culture fosters an ethos fundamentally at conflict with other species' ethical norms, and thus needs to be given special consideration when processed via any sentencing. Other Yeerks would point out that Visser One sucked even by their norms, which seems like a gotcha but would only increase the argument for what is essentially an insanity plea. I'm sure someone will say "but no a defense attorney is supposed to make sure their client is found not guilty!" and I certainly don't know the interiors of Law, but my understanding was always-- "lol no they don't they just have to make sure their client isn't getting hosed by a bully prosecution or judge."
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 12:06 |
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If it was to be a legit trial and not pretty much just some PR show one could argue... it would be impossible to get an impartial jury and judge since pretty much all of humanity was on the Visser's chopping block.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 12:24 |
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There is something oddly poetic about Visser One being the last Yeerk in the Yeerks empire, since everyone else morphed and stayed morphed.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 12:45 |
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That’s true of the Yeerks that were in the immediate Earth area, yes. Those that went nothlit have probably done so by now, and within one generation will all be gone, just like the Taxxons. How much of the Yeerk population is that, though? (Not counting those presumably still blockaded on the homeworld.) Were the Council of Thirteen and the Emperor personally on board that Earth pool ship? Or do they live to invade other species?
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mind the walrus posted:I've a lot of intimate experience with defense attorneys for better and for worse, and to their credit they really are more about ensuring that due process gets carried out over any sort-of moralizing. It is, in-fact, very necessary and important to make sure that legal bodies don't get sloppy and start to railroad every single "oh come out it's so obvious!" case because eventually those precedents will be used to both harm innocent people and as a way to neutralize political opponents. I'm far from the first one to point this out, but it goes to show just how strong copaganda has been for decades that popular depictions of the police in media are "courageous defenders of the law" and popular depictions of defense attorneys are "devious scumbags who use technicalities to ensure the worst criminals avoid the punishments they deserve."
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feetnotes posted:That’s true of the Yeerks that were in the immediate Earth area, yes. Those that went nothlit have probably done so by now, and within one generation will all be gone, just like the Taxxons. And I know why the yeerks and taxxons were forced to nothlit themselves but it does feel weird.
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