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feedmyleg posted:Very easy purchase. Backed! I have my issues of the Blade Runner book, but the Alien books are impeccable. I love how they're framing this as the sourcebook for the films themselves. That's really what it feels like they're after as a company and as a person who loves systems, it's catnip to me. I still have to run a game of the Blade Runner RPG but I agree about that, the book definitely has a kind of safeness to it and, honestly some of it felt low key like it was intentionally as restrained as it was so they could do a few more books focusing on stuff that felt like this missing. The Alien RPG book in comparison feels like a definitely stand along book about Alien and Alien as an RPG even if the other books and starter kit stuff never came out. If they did a 2019 book that would rule. The aesthetic of the current book is so restrained in comparison.
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Dawgstar posted:I wonder if anybody's trying to get the Predator license for the arr pee gees. They already made the Predator RPG, it's called Dread.
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Schwarzwald posted:While I have some complaints with Covenant, as a prog-rock reimagining of Forbidden Planet I find it easy to vibe with. The prequels are horror-comedies, and one of best jokes is that Shaw seeks out the origin of the engineers, and it’s plainly an impoverished planet in the space equivalent of Africa.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The prequels are horror-comedies, and one of best jokes is that Shaw seeks out the origin of the engineers, and it’s plainly an impoverished planet in the space equivalent of Africa. On a of the things I've always appreciated about your prometheus read is how it takes the piss out of ancient alien poo poo. It's very obvious but I feel it's often ignored
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MacheteZombie posted:On a of the things I've always appreciated about your prometheus read is how it takes the piss out of ancient alien poo poo. It's very obvious but I feel it's often ignored It's even in the marketing, just people saw the ads saying "QUESTIONS...WILL BE...ANSWERED" and took that to mean like a wikipedia entry and not like challenged/retaliated against.
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Ferrinus posted:Like, zooming in: "What other monsters are out there? Just the ones the sad robot made" <---what? How do you know? We knew of one pre-existing horror. Only one. Coming into Prometheus we were aware of only one specific instance of weird space monster. This is the only monster we saw, pre-Prometheus. We had evidence of one space monster. One space monster was known of. Space monster, known: One (1). Sad robot makes a monster. It's the space monster we already knew about. Those space monsters we saw already? He put them there, directly or indirectly. What else are you supposed to conclude? We've gone from one space monster of unknown origin to zero space monsters not made by sad robots. A 100% reduction in genuine, wild-caught space monsters unrelated to one sad space robots' daddy issues. Zero examples of Engineers losing containment, zero example of engineers losing shipments, zero example of any space monsters outside of these two sources: A monster research facility whose failsafes successfully kept their weapons breach localised within the facility and NOT loose wreaking havoc across the galaxy, and a grumpy robot's amateur science projects. Why would we assume there's scary monsters loose out there NOT made by David? We've never seen any. I absolutely agree with your latter sentence. If it had ended with David trilobiting whateverhisnamewasseriouslynobodycares instead of facehuggering him then it's a very different ending! A galaxy full of original flavour Engineer bioweapons AND whatever David has cooked up in his colony ship lab? It's still a garbage movie, but I'd definitely read some followup comics. And yeah, I know it's been retconned that the Covenant alien is a "Praetomorph" and that he was doing the biological equivalent of pouring cheap plastic into improperly discarded Kenner castoffs, and that there's discarded scenes and screenplay drafts saying otherwise, and who knows, maybe it was even intended that you come out of the film fully understanding that the alien you saw wasn't the "real" alien at all! But the film that most people watched, processed, and interpreted, was that that scene was supposed to go "Look guys! It's the Alien! The one you like! This is where it comes from! The sad robot made it! Which is good for some reason!" And even the people who like the film, like you, think that was a bad move. e: It's been said before, but the worst mistake in Prometheus and Covenant was putting "Alien" in front of the names. Splicer fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Splicer posted:That's what makes the egg important! But, to quote you, "Aliens are just one of a huge menagerie of monsters created by a race of weirdos who've been around since before the formation of life on earth. Alien is about humans stumbling upon one of their lost weapons like a gooey penis headed landmine. The galaxy must be FULL of monsters, many of them with bizarre lifecycles and heads shaped like human genitals because apparently that's what they're into!" We actually never see a second or third Engineer facility in Prometheus or any other worlds they've seeded or anything like that. The actual movie tells the story of one series of accidents with one batch of mutagen. Still, the way things go down leads us to conclude that we're seeing one example of what could and indeed surely has happened rather than the only thing that ever will happen. There's no qualitative difference between Prometheus and Covenant here; those movies just put the underground complex on LV-426 in context. Maybe by "zero monsters not made by sad robots" you mean "zero monsters we've seen onscreen not made by sad robots"? That's also technically not true since it's not like David made the worm or zombie or whatever we see in the first prequel, but I at least thing I see what you're getting at. However, it seems like your complaint encompasses both "I was hoping to see something unrelated to the heretofore existing Alien series" and "this has constrained if not destroyed the monster-spawning possibilities within the wider Alien setting, if there can be said to be such a thing" and the latter makes no sense to me.
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Xenomrph posted:The same author who wrote Cold Forge wrote a sequel called Into Charybdis. I haven’t read it yet but it’s been as well regarded as Cold Forge. SuperMechagodzilla posted:plainly an impoverished planet in the space equivalent of Africa. What does this mean
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I actually saw this in a youtube comment when checking out the scene the other day: the 'engineers' David kills don't actually look quite like the Engineer in Prometheus - they're smaller and have slightly different cranial structure. If you assume that's deliberate, then David just murdered another humanity-like seed species who hadn't killed Jesus and who just thought they were getting another visit from their progenitors.
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Ferrinus posted:Maybe by "zero monsters not made by sad robots" you mean "zero monsters we've seen onscreen not made by sad robots"? That's also technically not true since it's not like David made the worm or zombie or whatever we see in the first prequel, but I at least thing I see what you're getting at. However, it seems like your complaint encompasses both "I was hoping to see something unrelated to the heretofore existing Alien series" and "this has constrained if not destroyed the monster-spawning possibilities within the wider Alien setting, if there can be said to be such a thing" and the latter makes no sense to me. I like the capital-A Alien, and I want more possibilities with it. I don’t like what Covenant tried to do (according to Ridley Scott). Thankfully it’s easy to work around within the broader context; I really like how the RPG (and Fireteam Elite) handle it - there’s all kinds of weird poo poo if you want to go that route but ALSO the potential for plenty of Aliens if that’s your jam. Alchenar posted:I actually saw this in a youtube comment when checking out the scene the other day: the 'engineers' David kills don't actually look quite like the Engineer in Prometheus - they're smaller and have slightly different cranial structure. That’s a great point, holy poo poo
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I for one don't want more Capital-A Alien, part of the premise of Alien was that space is vast and the galaxy is old, and that combination means that you can simultaneously spend a long time encountering absolutely nothing, but also at any moment stumble across anything. The scale of everything means a perpetual unknown. Having the Alien be everything everywhere all at once is an incredibly dull and disappointing idea. e: I also have no explanation for how we see David successfully land the ship at the docking port, and yet when the crew arrive on the planet it has clearly crashed some distance away from the city. The only thing I can think of is that it is one more piece of evidence for the case of 'David presents himself as a superior being genius on the surface, but is actually repeatedly a malfunctioning fuckup'. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Ferrinus posted:But, to quote you, "Aliens are just one of a huge menagerie of monsters created by a race of weirdos who've been around since before the formation of life on earth. Alien is about humans stumbling upon one of their lost weapons like a gooey penis headed landmine. The galaxy must be FULL of monsters, many of them with bizarre lifecycles and heads shaped like human genitals because apparently that's what they're into!" Splicer posted:We've gone from one space monster of unknown origin to zero space monsters not made by sad robots. A 100% reduction in genuine, wild-caught space monsters unrelated to one sad space robots' daddy issues. Zero examples of Engineers losing containment, zero example of engineers losing shipments, zero example of any space monsters outside of these two sources: A monster research facility whose failsafes successfully kept their weapons breach localised within the facility and NOT loose wreaking havoc across the galaxy, and a grumpy robot's amateur science projects. Why would we assume there's scary monsters loose out there NOT made by David? We've never seen any. If you see one mouse, you have many mice. If you see no mice, why assume you have mice at all?
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Alchenar posted:Having the Alien be everything everywhere all at once is an incredibly dull and disappointing idea. Like I said, that’s what the RPG delivers - the possibility for Aliens anywhere, uncoupled from the narrative constraints of David. That is a Good Thing. Edit— or if you want to in the RPG, you can say “David did it” with your Aliens too! It’s open ended, it’s not off the table. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Alchenar posted:e: I also have no explanation for how we see David successfully land the ship at the docking port, and yet when the crew arrive on the planet it has clearly crashed some distance away from the city. The only thing I can think of is that it is one more piece of evidence for the case of 'David presents himself as a superior being genius on the surface, but is actually repeatedly a malfunctioning fuckup'. I get the impression that David did the space equivalent of driving a car safely cross-country from NY to LA only to hit a mail box pulling into a driveway.
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Xenomrph posted:To echo Splicer, my disappointment is not only not seeing more weird poo poo (although the Neomorphs are great), but as Splicer said, reducing the capital-A Alien in the process. Eh, "reducing" is a matter of extremely arbitrary taste. Why would it "reduce" the alien to not make it sixty thousand years old? Does it not, in fact, reduce the alien to imagine it's some kind of super duper maxed-stats elder vampire and yet it gets outsmarted by one lady in her underwear? It always seemed to me that it was Cameron who screwed things up with regards to the xenomorph's personal gravitas and cosmic threat. That said, this is a totally different question from what Splicer's talking about. Splicer posted:Pretty sure at least most of this was here before my edit, and if not, well I edited it in for a reason: It just does not make sense to watch Prometheus and conclude there's other monsters out there, and then watch Covenant and conclude the exact opposite. Every conclusion you drew from the first movie remains both valid and sound in light of the second. Now, personally I don't care whether a story increases or reduces the comsos' absolute monster count. But your reasoning just doesn't follow!
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Ferrinus posted:Eh, "reducing" is a matter of extremely arbitrary taste. Why would it "reduce" the alien to not make it sixty thousand years old? Does it not, in fact, reduce the alien to imagine it's some kind of super duper maxed-stats elder vampire and yet it gets outsmarted by one lady in her underwear? It always seemed to me that it was Cameron who screwed things up with regards to the xenomorph's personal gravitas and cosmic threat. And yes, Cameron did screw things up, and plenty of fans don’t like what his movie did with the creature. I’m okay with it though, Aliens can be dangerous space-ants and still have the potential to do interesting poo poo - it’s why I like the Labyrinth comic book so much. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Ferrinus posted:It just does not make sense to watch Prometheus and conclude there's other monsters out there, and then watch Covenant and conclude the exact opposite. Every conclusion you drew from the first movie remains both valid and sound in light of the second. Splicer fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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With all the talk of rpgs, comics, and video games, I can just imagine the conversations in the BSS Aliens thread.
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ruddiger posted:With all the talk of rpgs, comics, and video games, I can just imagine the conversations in the BSS Aliens thread. I don’t think there is one? There’s one in GBS but we post about how we’re thinking about Aliens. Someone recently posted music videos from Bill Paxton’s band, which star an all-star greatest hits lineup of James Cameron’s favorite actors.
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ruddiger posted:With all the talk of rpgs, comics, and video games, I can just imagine the conversations in the BSS Aliens thread.
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Schwarzwald posted:I get the impression that David did the space equivalent of driving a car safely cross-country from NY to LA only to hit a mail box pulling into a driveway. David strikes me as the kind of character that would scuttle the ship because he has no need for it at that immediate time. Like he just hits the points of whelp I've got everything I need here and learned everything about this ship. I really wish Scott had absolute control over Covenant and got to do a third movie just based on how wild Raised By Wolves got.
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Alchenar posted:I also have no explanation for how we see David successfully land the ship at the docking port, and yet when the crew arrive on the planet it has clearly crashed some distance away from the city. The only thing I can think of is that it is one more piece of evidence for the case of 'David presents himself as a superior being genius on the surface, but is actually repeatedly a malfunctioning fuckup'. If you consider David an unreliable narrator, it raises the question and possibility that the planet may have already been like that before David and Shaw (or what was left of her) arrived. For all we know the entire docking sequence and unleashing of the black swarm (I hesitate to call it goo - it resembles the black swarms that we see released from miniature pods on the ground, which we know David studied after arriving) could be pure fantasy for David after having stumbled upon a dead world. We know that his memory does not function correctly, we also have no information connecting the supposed flashback showing David as a god, to the reality of a sad, lonely and malfunctioning robot experimenting on the ecosystem of a planet away from where that very same ship somehow crashed. Perhaps something significant that we are not aware of happened (maybe Shaw was alive and crashed the ship after David unleashed the swarm?) or perhaps David cries for other reasons. In Prometheus, David watched with childlike wonder as engineers ran in fear and we see them do so once more in his fantasy of being a god. Piles of dead engineers were discovered in Prometheus, and piles of dead engineers flood the city in Covenant. Their fates could have been the same, maybe David was late both times? Alternatively, he botched the fingering upon entry so severely that he created a new hole.
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FastestGunAlive posted:What does this mean I love explaining a joke, so: in reality, humans originated in Africa, so you could imagine a Martian conqueror demanding that his subordinates bring him to the origin of humanity (with the obvious expectation of meeting with the most prestigious human leaders). This martian would likely end up very confused - just as Shaw likely was when she discovered that the Engineer homeworld is populated by an obviously-oppressed racial group.
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Xenomrph posted:It reduces it because the Alien can spread farther in 200,000 years with other means than it can in 20 strictly with David, and I like the idea that, like the Jockey, it’s old enough to drink alcohol. We’ve kinda gone over this. Having the potential for more Aliens is a Good Thing. There’s a reason why the franchise walked it back before the movie even came out, and has continued to do so. Having more Aliens doesn’t mean there aren’t potentially other horrors, or lessen their impact. It’s not a zero-sum game. The hypothetical facehugger-pod density of the universe is a strange thing to be concerned with here since whether or not there are billions of them offscreen makes no difference to whether we'll ever get to see more of them on the big screen, and indeed whether the first and only facehugger pod ever was made by David in 21XX doesn't actually bear on whether there are secretly billions of aliens offscreen on other planets (since they might have been rapidly spread across the galaxy, or shortly thereafter be spread rapidly across the galaxy, by any number of plot devices). It's akin to how, I don't know... the destruction of Krypton doesn't actually preclude there being more Superman content, even in a hypothetical alternate telling of the series in which we only learn that Superman is an alien named Kal-El late in the game, and only learn that his homeworld was destroyed later still. Splicer posted:I should say I'm not trying to say this is the only possible intuitive, internally consistent interpretation, though I could see how I could have come across that way. I'm saying it is the internally consistent interpretation I personally did most intuitive and how the capital A Alien ties into that. I have explained so you understand where I'm coming from, and because you asked. Not to make you agree with me. But it's not internally consistent. Splicer-who-just-saw-Prometheus would disagree radically with Splicer-who-just-saw-Covenant. Your disappointment with a lack of novel imagery seems to have crossed some kind of wire with your understanding of some kind of hypothetical setting bible and it has you being like "burn it all loving down". Now, I suppose if we only watch Covenant, Alien, and Aliens in a row we might be a little more likely to conclude, by inductive reasoning, ah these movies are set in a completely realistic world except for the one mad genius who's decided to start populating it with monsters. But even then, the fans of the series in that parallel universe would be asking each other, where did David get that spaceship and its canisters of mutagen? Have they ever been used elsewhere? What else is out there? Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Darko posted:Splicer, I don't think more than a couple of people are entirely happy with Covenant. People have turned around on Prometheus and you're starting to get this huge love/hate split around it, but even when people *like* Covenent, it's *in spite* of the movie throwing away what it could have been (especially knowing that much of the reason is studios pushing more Xenos because that's what the people want). With Prometheus, people are like "this is a really great film, and it expands the universe in a way I like, and David is awesome," while with Covenant you get "this is a really great film, but I would have liked to have seen (a number of extensions of Prometheus that never came to be)" as praise in general. And that's for those that actually praise it completely; others have caveats to even what I compliment (for instance, I loved more David being weird and exploring him more but I think the last act is dumb and takes away from the rest of the feel of the entire movie). There are dozens of us!!!
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Ferrinus posted:Now, I suppose if we only watch Covenant, Alien, and Aliens in a row That is a hosed up proposition sweet lord baby jesus what the wank is wrong with you? Can we keep the horror unknowable please. gently caress. 
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SUNKOS posted:That is a hosed up proposition sweet lord baby jesus what the wank is wrong with you? Can we keep the horror unknowable please. What's everyones' favorite shameless Alien ripoffs? I love Forbidden World. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycdCCyJWapA It should be on a lot of the streaming services now I think, it might be under the title MUTANT (1982), if you see both the Mutant version is a little longer but no gore/anything was cut from the movie, like with Lifeforce it was cut for pacing reasons. But the downside is the MUTANT cut's audio quality isn't as good, sort of like the Anchor Bay Manhunter Director's Cut it's the more complete movie but not as much attention was paid to how it looks and sounds, IIRC it's not even cropped the same. 
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Ferrinus posted:The hypothetical facehugger-pod density of the universe is a strange thing to be concerned with here since whether or not there are billions of them offscreen makes no difference to whether we'll ever get to see more of them on the big screen, and indeed whether the first and only facehugger pod ever was made by David in 21XX doesn't actually bear on whether there are secretly billions of aliens offscreen on other planets (since they might have been rapidly spread across the galaxy, or shortly thereafter be spread rapidly across the galaxy, by any number of plot devices). I’m more annoyed by them being young, I feel it runs counter to the themes presented in ‘Alien’. The derelict is inferred to be old, it can be inferred that it’s contents are old, that plays into the Lovecraftian themes of ancient dangers that predate humanity and care not about its actions or desires. I feel it makes them more interesting and compelling if they’re old. Making the eggs 20 years old hinders that, and I don’t like it and choose to believe otherwise. Tying it specifically to David is reductive, I prefer the interpretation that David had nothing to do with the Derelict or its contents. That is what I choose to believe, because it gives me the most enjoyment from the media and I find it the most interesting. It really is that simple. I feel like I shouldn’t have to spell this out (again). I’m yet to see an argument about how constraining the Alien to David and to such a narrow timescale is a good thing. Again, more Aliens out there is a Good Thing. Also we’re getting a new Alien movie and TV series, both of which are apparently set before Covenant, so it looks like I’ll get my wish. Like Splicer, I am not trying to convince you that I’m “right”, I am expressing an opinion about what I like and don’t like. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Neo Rasa posted:What's everyones' favorite shameless Alien ripoffs? I love Forbidden World. Isolation (2005, on Shudder last I checked) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WXRxaC2L7M Leviathan (1989) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4ugObcErgc Life (2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuA-xqBw4jE
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Neo Rasa posted:What's everyones' favorite shameless Alien ripoffs? Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVZUVeMtYXc More seriously, although it may not count I think Event Horizon is an enjoyable movie and really wish there had been a directors cut released, especially after seeing that clip of Sam Neill's character crawling along the wall that never made it into the film but looks utterly freaky. On a related and rather sad note, he was also recently diagnosed with blood cancer Highly recommend another Sam Neill movie that is an absolute gem and must-watch which is Possession, with an utterly phenomenal performance by Isabelle Adjani.I won't claim this to be a particularly good movie (better than AvP, though) but I found it enjoyable for what it was: Pandorum. A little frustrating to watch as afterwards you'll more than likely be left disappointed by the wasted potential, but still worth a watch imo.
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Xenomrph posted:I like my Aliens being old and I like the potential for them to be more places than a sad robot went in 20 years, it really is that simple. Ridley Scott’s intent hampers that, and I don’t like that. Thankfully it’s easy to look past his intent and interpret the movies in a way that pleases me. It's only making you unhappy to draw a line between the egg and the catalyst and be like, it's not enough for the catalyst to be millenia old, the egg ALSO has to be millenia old. Imagine running into a fellow Alien fan who loves the movie, but just can't stand that the monster that came out of Kane is like a day old, tops. Wouldn't it be cooler if it was actually millenia old? Augh! If only there was some way to resolve this!
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I don’t think I see the point you’re trying to make here. I made my opinion very clear, and why I feel that way. I want the eggs to be old. The catalyst isn’t good enough. I can have this, it’s very simple. I cannot make this more clear. We have discussed this in the past, multiple times. If we go round and round on this again I am going to disengage because there is no way I can make my position any more clear, and I don’t see a need to draw out a pointless conversation. I am sharing an opinion with you and why I think it, that’s all. Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Xenomrph posted:I don’t think I see the point you’re trying to make here. Well if, for example, you met someone who really wanted to enjoy Alien, but simply couldn't take the monster seriously because it was like a day old—practically a baby—you might try to reassure them by explaining that, yes, the specific creature that marauds the crew of the Nostromo (or, let's say, the egg that Ripley saves Newt from at the last second) is extremely young, but it clearly came from something far more ancient.
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SUNKOS posted:Obligatory: I remember generally digging Pandorum and Possession of course rules. I'm always torn about Event Horizon, overall I like it but yeah the movie has this weird feel where it's constantly on this verge of REALLY cutting loose but then it doesn't quite do it. Good stuff overall imo. Name Change posted:Isolation (2005, on Shudder last I checked) I love Leviathan, it gets kind of slow because there's such a big gap between when the first person gets infected and when stuff starts going bad since by the time the movie came out we already know how this kind of story goes, but it's so cool otherwise, gently caress them for killing Ernie Hudson though. I haven't seen Isolation or Life I'll definitely check them out.
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Ferrinus posted:Well if, for example, you met someone who really wanted to enjoy Alien, but simply couldn't take the monster seriously because it was like a day old—practically a baby—you might try to reassure them by explaining that, yes, the specific creature that marauds the crew of the Nostromo (or, let's say, the egg that Ripley saves Newt from at the last second) is extremely young, but it clearly came from something far more ancient. No I understand that you’re trying to reassure me, and as we’ve gone over in the past, that is not good enough. There are ways to have what gives me the most enjoyment from the media, and I am content with that. It’s that simple.
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I think it’s fine, if you are really into a movie or movie franchise, to want to totally immerse yourself in it. Meaning novels, games, comics, etc. it’s fun! As an example I really have no desire to play the Alien RPG, or really any RPGs anymore, but I’d dearly love to have the sourcebook and the Colonial Marines sourcebook, and whatever scenarios they’ve put out, just for reading material. I’d put them on the shelf next to my Colonial Marines Technical Manual, and my Dark Horse Aliens trade paperbacks. Is that weird?
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