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I get the feeling that Disney is banking pretty hard on X-Men revitalizing things. It's the last Marvel card that they can play that non-comic people recognize. The Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom would rule, but definitely not if they have John loving Krasinski of all people anchoring things as Reed Richards.
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YaketySass posted:I really doubt they resist bringing back some of the main guys at some point. Especially since CGI means age is no obstacle. Bringing the X-Men and FF into the MCU is kinda pointless without the old guard. Like, AvX is the clear endgame of that and nobody is gonna watch that poo poo if it's Jubilee vs. Kid Thor.
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YaketySass posted:I really doubt they resist bringing back some of the main guys at some point. Especially since CGI means age is no obstacle. It seems like they're using Star Wars to work out the kinks in that technology, with CGI Tarkin, Young Leia, and Young Luke.
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ruddiger posted:I think you're right, but it was Speedball from the New Warriors who got blamed in the public discourse (in-universe). Afterwards, Speedball goes from light-hearted wacky 90s teen hero to super serious grimdark black ops merc and renamed himself to PENANCE. I feel like it's hard to get how funny this is without seeing the two designs   Nipple vents Gonz posted:At this rate, they might have to bring Tony back. To bring back Tony Stark to life?
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The Great Lakes Avengers was way too spot on in mocking how both major publishers were hilariously terrible with their 'teen' superhero teams, and it seems nobody got the joke and they ran Squirrel Girl into the ground.
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Bogus Adventure posted:It seems like they're using Star Wars to work out the kinks in that technology, with CGI Tarkin, Young Leia, and Young Luke. "No amount of money ever bought a second of time." -Howard Stark "Oh yes the gently caress it did!" -Disney Corporation
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Bogus Adventure posted:It seems like they're using Star Wars to work out the kinks in that technology, with CGI Tarkin, Young Leia, and Young Luke. CGI Tarkin and Young Leia were done before deepfaking was a thing. I guarantee you Young Luke was done for literally 1/10th of what they cost, or less, using deepfakin'. So yeah, we're gonna get to the point where AI models are incredibly good and cheap at this kind of thing.
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Mar 28, 2023 16:01
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Bogus Adventure posted:The Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom would rule, but definitely not if they have John loving Krasinski of all people anchoring things as Reed Richards. Just nuke Reed and give his powers to Kamala. The guy's a dick anyways and every FF adaptation has turned into a horrible mess so far. The best one is the loving Roger Corman ashcan version that was never even meant to be released.
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Mar 28, 2023 16:09
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Nephthys posted:I'd just like to point out that all of those things did happen in the comics at some point. Philanthropy and technocratism are not leftism. As poster Ferrinus pointed out, “the problem isn’t the resources, it’s the politics.” I think we need to expand our imaginations a bit in order to push back against the idea that leftist superhero fiction is inherently boring/lame. It’s a worldview, not the depiction of problem solving, or having a superhero with the perfect politics — it’s about asking the right questions. In a western world that continues to drift right-wards, this is more important than ever. Watchmen is a leftist superhero masterpiece with no leftist superheroes, with things starting badly and only getting exponentially worse. But it isn’t a nihilistic edge-lord work. Alan Moore threw down the gauntlet to the genre, and the response was a total paucity of imagination.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:CGI Tarkin and Young Leia were done before deepfaking was a thing. I guarantee you Young Luke was done for literally 1/10th of what they cost, or less, using deepfakin'. So yeah, we're gonna get to the point where AI models are incredibly good and cheap at this kind of thing. The behind the scenes showed it was more than a deepfake with Luke. They analyzed thousands of images of his face and took audio from all the movies he showed up in then ran it through some machine. quote:For those of you saying that they went with deepfake… they didn’t. The clip ends before they say that they went with the de-aging process instead. But yeah, the deepfake tests look far more promising. Hopefully the recent hiring of the deepfake artist means that they’re committed to moving in this direction.
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Vintersorg posted:The behind the scenes showed it was more than a deepfake with Luke. They analyzed thousands of images of his face and took audio from all the movies he showed up in then ran it through some machine. I'm sorry, I didn't communicate effectively. That's exactly what I meant. For Tarkin and Leia they built hyper-detailed 3d models that they mapped onto the real footage. With Luke they filmed an actor perform and fed it to a neural network that was trained to swap faces, and said "swap that face with young Luke". It's waaaaaaay cheaper (like, so cheap I can do it myself on my home PC, and have.) And the voice was the same thing, you train a neural network with two voices and say "now make voice A into voice B" and it does it. Turns out computers are pretty good at that kind of thing. What's loving wild is right now I can give a computer 5 images in a certain artist's style and say "that's a style" and it will say "sure!" and then I say "now make this unrelated picture into that style" and it will do it! And pretty good, too. 5 pictures is enough. If you train it with 50 pictures instead of 5 it can get very accurate. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I'm sorry, I didn't communicate effectively. That's exactly what I meant. For Tarkin and Leia they built hyper-detailed 3d models that they mapped onto the real footage. With Luke they filmed an actor perform and fed it to a neural network that was trained to swap faces, and said "swap that face with young Luke". It's waaaaaaay cheaper (like, so cheap I can do it myself on my home PC, and have.) Someone did the voice thing with Kanye, they wrote some lyrics and had an ai "sing" them with his voice https://twitter.com/rpnickson/status/1639813074176679938?t=k-0GvkDmABqc7oyMDkZgpg&s=19
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https://www.npr.org/2023/03/28/1166214642/jonathan-majors-arraignment
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Didn't they already do a whole film with deaged Sam Jackson?
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ImpAtom posted:Didn't they already do a whole film with deaged Sam Jackson? Yeah, and he looked pretty good, until he had to run or fight anyone. Because he was still old man Sam Jackson underneath the CGI. Pretty much the same thing happened with The Irishman, because De Niro doesn't really have any more of those "De Niro Kicks" left in him.
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thrawn527 posted:Yeah, and he looked pretty good, until he had to run or fight anyone. Because he was still old man Sam Jackson underneath the CGI. I think about the scene in The Irishman when he beats up the grocer regularly.
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Mar 28, 2023 18:49
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live with fruit posted:I think about the scene in The Irishman when he beats up the grocer regularly. Alas it's the first scene I think of whenever anyone mentions the movie, which is a real disservice to it.
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live with fruit posted:I think about the scene in The Irishman when he beats up the grocer regularly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqGV0IuodWE Yup, perfect example. Great movie, but they really should have broken the "show don't tell" rule on this one, and just talked about how he beat the guy up.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Alas it's the first scene I think of whenever anyone mentions the movie, which is a real disservice to it. Scorsese's scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. thrawn527 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqGV0IuodWE They could have just had a stuntman do it and replaced his face.
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They didn't use deepfakes in the Irishman. It was all 3d stuff. Again just a bit too early for the tech to work. What's amusing about Deepfakes are that it brings phrenology back, in a way. You have to get a double with the same shape of skull and face, since the AI doesn't touch those (the ears you could probably fix with prosthetics). It's John Woo's Face/Off tech.
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live with fruit posted:Scorsese's scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. Heck, they could have just not done the whole thing in a wide shot. Close in on De Niros face, then cut to some stuntman's legs kicking the guy. The De Niro shots would still look bad because he can't sell the movement at all, but at least the kicks would have some impact.
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Fake Mark Hamill looked pretty good in the Boba Fett show, but also looked like trash because that show was horrific looking. I feel like I was sharing this image a lot when ZSJL came out, but on the discussion of Leftist superhero comics, I do really like Kirby's stuff. Kirby admitted her had troubled feelings about communism and bought into the red scare, but dude was anti-fascist as gently caress and his work has a tension around that orientation and how heroes utilize violence. But I feel like there is no more distinct summary of what fascism and how it can align itself with capitalism than this poo poo... masterclass work over here... 
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Timeless Appeal posted:Fake Mark Hamill looked pretty good in the Boba Fett show, but also looked like trash because that show was horrific looking. Conservatism.jpg
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Grendels Dad posted:Heck, they could have just not done the whole thing in a wide shot. Close in on De Niros face, then cut to some stuntman's legs kicking the guy. The De Niro shots would still look bad because he can't sell the movement at all, but at least the kicks would have some impact. They should have just cut right as he first grabs and hits the guy while they're still inside or had the whole beatdown take place in the shop.
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Neo Rasa posted:They should have just cut right as he first grabs and hits the guy while they're still inside or had the whole beatdown take place in the shop. Oh yeah, with a slow pan to the daughter's face as she looks on horrified, and you can still hear the guy screaming the same things he does in the scene as shown. Like, take the easy out when the alternative looks this bad. I legit wonder if this scene is in there because people wanted the "De Niro Kicks" in a De Niro mob movie, and would wonder where they were if they weren't included. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Yeah or they could have had the majority of it blocked by something, a rippled glass window or a parked car or whatever so you just saw little glances. Let people's imagination do the work because the reality...well it was just a big bummer.
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Timeless Appeal posted:Fake Mark Hamill looked pretty good in the Boba Fett show, but also looked like trash because that show was horrific looking. drat, I love Jack Kirby
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Bogus Adventure posted:I get the feeling that Disney is banking pretty hard on X-Men revitalizing things. It's the last Marvel card that they can play that non-comic people recognize. The Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom would rule, but definitely not if they have John loving Krasinski of all people anchoring things as Reed Richards. They don't. They more or less acknowledged that the Illuminati scene was a chance to mess around with fancasting without having to actually commit to anything. Krasinski is unlikely to continue on as Reed in the actual movie.
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theironjef posted:They don't. They more or less acknowledged that the Illuminati scene was a chance to mess around with fancasting without having to actually commit to anything. Krasinski is unlikely to continue on as Reed in the actual movie. Does this mean no more live action Captain Carter either?
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So there's a video essay making the rounds about a reality competition show from 2008, where the premise is that all female contestants compete for who the best horror actress is, with the prize being a leading role in the then upcoming Saw 6 film. You might recognize the guy who's the "star director" who directs them in their challenges. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLSyoqk0LwI Even by the standards of reality shows from that time, this show is seriously exploitive. The challenges have less to do with the horror movie genre, and more to do with humiliating, objectifying and sexualizing their contestants. Challenges like posing for "posters" that are more soft porn than anything else, or having a lesbian kissing scene (and then Gunn berating a contestant for being uncomfortable with that, and then sending her home) and also the black contestant having to endure racist treatment from the other cast members without anyone stepping in or doing anything about it. We're all familiar with Gunns off color sense of humor, and even I gave him a pass on those because that kind of edgy humor was common at the time. But the behavior exhibited from Gunn in this show is actually gross, unprofessional, and borderline abusive, he comes off as a sociopath. It's one thing to make crass jokes on the internet, it's another thing entirely when he's abusing and exploiting hopeful actresses that he's using as stepping stones for his own career. Oh, and his brother and Michael Rooker are in this too, of course. And that leading role in Saw 6? Turned out it was more like a 30 second cameo McCloud fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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KVeezy3 posted:Philanthropy and technocratism are not leftism. As poster Ferrinus pointed out, “the problem isn’t the resources, it’s the politics.” I have a severely CD/Zizek-brained leftist superhero work coming out in a few weeks. It's been called an "anticapitalist post-superhero thriller." If people are interested I could drop some links in here, I guess? Some of the conversation over the past few pages has felt like people might enjoy it!
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I have a severely CD/Zizek-brained leftist superhero work coming out in a few weeks. It's been called an "anticapitalist post-superhero thriller." If people are interested I could drop some links in here, I guess? Some of the conversation over the past few pages has felt like people might enjoy it! Do it
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theironjef posted:They don't. They more or less acknowledged that the Illuminati scene was a chance to mess around with fancasting without having to actually commit to anything. Krasinski is unlikely to continue on as Reed in the actual movie. Are there really a lot of fans who want Krasinski as Reed Richards? That just seems like such a weird choice to me.
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Chairman Capone posted:Are there really a lot of fans who want Krasinski as Reed Richards? That just seems like such a weird choice to me. Terminally online twitter user reporting in that pockets of the internet would not shut up about what dream casting Krasinski would be for that role. Now they got to see what he could bring to the table and move on to a better choice.
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still want Hugh Laurie as I don't like young rear end in a top hat Reed like old rear end in a top hat Reed
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Yeah, the whole Illuminati thing was 100% taking the opportunity for cute nods to the fans, as well as being an extremely comic book way of establishing a villain's bona fides. Wouldn't be surprised if it was at least a little bit testing the waters for certain casting, but no commitment.
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safe harbor posted:Why doesn't Superman just throw all his enemies into the Sun?  This is how we got Nuclear Man.
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