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This is one of the reasons I use real preamp, real pedals, direct in with cab sims so I don't need to gently caress around with real mics for forever. Also cause I live in a highrise and can't crank an amp like you'd want for a recording
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Turbinosamente posted:Jesus I've never mic'd a cab before but that makes perfect sense to me. Hell if I ever do I fully expect to place the mic wrong and make the guitar sound like poo poo the first time. Is it the daw/plugin types who are melting down over this on other forums? It's actually the opposite! It's the guys who only ever play guitar in front of their cabs and never mic anything that are melting down about HOW DARE you say MY FAVORITE WAY to listen to the guitar doesn't matter!!! izagoof posted:can’t imagine daw guys would be mad at it because the prevailing wisdom there has been for a while that the IR is the most overall important thing. People still obsess over the models for like, dynamics and sensitivity but a good IR can make an OG pod sound good This is exactly right. If you play guitar with any distortion at all, even just in the room, the "cab->mic->mic placement" (or IR) probably determines 60-70% of your sound, yes that much. And if you want to record your sound or put it through a PA, then the "cab -> mic -> mic placement" component of your setup is realistically around 70%--80% of your sound. And I say this as a total lover of amps. I wish they had more influence over your sound, but that's really the way it is. Swapping your cab, mic, and mic position will make significantly more difference in your sound than swapping the amp, provided the amp is set for similar amounts of distortion. Kingo Ligma posted:The meltdowns are all from people who haven't watched the actual video cause Jim hosed up in his clickbait title and wrote "roomtone doesn't matter" which means something completely different to "your guitar tone in the room you are recording in will not translate 1:1 to capture". Yep this is a big part of it. "Your in-the-room is completely irrelevant when it comes to recorded tone" is a different statement than "your raw tone as it exits the cab and hits your ears straight does not matter in any situation." However, I should add that in my experience, your raw cab tone actually does not correlate to what a mic will hear other than maybe how much gain you're using. I have been in studios where in the console room I've listened to the biggest, widest, clearest, most amazing high gain tones I've ever heard, and then I walked into the live room where that same rig was being mic'd, only to hear the smallest, muddiest tone that had such an extreme mid hump it sounded like a megaphone. So I agree with Jim that in-the-room tone doesn't correlate with recorded tone in that sense. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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Nah, that's nonsense too. It's an eco system and everything matters. I'm recording an album right now where the cab, mic setup and pedalboard are all permanent, with heads being physically swapped on a track by track basis and they sound nothing alike at all. The Mesa sounds nothing like the Orange sounds nothing like the Marshall sounds nothing like the Vox, to the point I can tell what's used on what track in the mix without going back and checking.
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Kingo Ligma posted:Nah, that's nonsense too. It's an eco system and everything matters. I'm recording an album right now where the cab, mic setup and pedalboard are all permanent, with heads being physically swapped on a track by track basis and they sound nothing alike at all. The Mesa sounds nothing like the Orange sounds nothing like the Marshall sounds nothing like the Vox, to the point I can tell what's used on what track in the mix without going back and checking. I'm not saying the amp doesn't matter, it absolutely does in terms of the feel and texture of the distortion. But for the overall sound profile, EQ curve, how the guitar will sit in the mix, I do think everything in line after the head matters a lot more. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 28, 2023 |
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I use my tube amps into a Torpedo Live because I just don't want to gently caress with the space and effort for micing cabs for real. But there is something magical about finding the right mic, placement and speaker to get the sound. It's a double edged sword, it'll sound completely different than in the room, but that could be better or worse. One of my favourite combos I ever got was a basic SM57 and a super cheap condenser on two different speakers on a V30 212. I got the phase just right and holy poo poo that was the heaviest sound I ever got from that amp. It also took an entire room to do, so that's why I don't any more lol
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It's all BS and SMS, look at Lennon's guitar on Revolution, it's recorded totally "wrong" but there'll be a million non-guitarheads who'll think it sounds awesome. Plug your guitar into grandad's radio. Use a cardboard box for a kick drum. Do your own thing. oh and stop using DAWs 
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Wowporn posted:This is one of the reasons I use real preamp, real pedals, direct in with cab sims so I don't need to gently caress around with real mics for forever. Also cause I live in a highrise and can't crank an amp like you'd want for a recording Some of my favorite metal guitar tones were recorded at a volume so low that I had to sit away from the microphone as the sound of the unamplified guitar was louder than the sound coming from the amp.
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Counterpoint: Sunn O)))
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Chrpno posted:It's all BS and SMS, look at Lennon's guitar on Revolution, it's recorded totally "wrong" but there'll be a million non-guitarheads who'll think it sounds awesome. Plug your guitar into grandad's radio. Use a cardboard box for a kick drum. Do your own thing. I'm starting to think people in this thread don't know what a DAW is cause most of us don't have the space or cash to run 24 track tape, a full mixing console, and all outboard gear, which is the minimum alternative to using a DAW.
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Nah you just get a Tascam DP24SD or a Model 12 or so and you swap the big computer with a big screen for a small one with a small screen and make everything a dozen times more tedious. but hey, it doesn’t look like a computer!
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That would still be a Digital Audio Workstation my man
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Look mum no computer made a YouTube career outta this sorta thing. Should watch more of his stuff
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Kingo Ligma posted:I'm starting to think people in this thread don't know what a DAW is cause most of us don't have the space or cash to run 24 track tape, a full mixing console, and all outboard gear, which is the minimum alternative to using a DAW. what about a portastudio
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Stop editing movies, they should be shot in one take. The Lumière brothers didn't use a NLE  Edit. Search "dawless jam" on youtube, makes a compelling pro daw argument. Unless you prefer music to be just one loop with a four on the floor bassdrum for 7-60mins. W424 fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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The worst part of my DAW is when it forces me to auto tune all my tracks before exporting the audio.
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I need a DAW that puts a timer on each track and locks me out of editing it any more after I've spent X number of hours loving with it. I just get so up my own rear end messing with tones instead of writing anything new.
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Almost every musician I've met who records with tape and without a computer at all has been a really poo poo musician and producer. They want a "lo-fi" feel which apparently means sounding like that. That's not to do with the quality of analog recording, just anecdotally it seems to attract people who are more interested in theatrics and talking about music than making good music. I wish it was just demos but nah. Motherfuckers buy a $2k guitar but don't want to buy a second 57 because it "won't sound authentic" while their vocals go between inaudible and clipping like a bitch. Authentic is not the same as bad.
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syntaxfunction posted:Almost every musician I've met who records with tape and without a computer at all has been a really poo poo musician and producer. They want a "lo-fi" feel which apparently means sounding like that. I learned a long time ago that "musical integrity" is nonsense. Music is 100% aesthetic. Do whatever it takes to get the sounds out of the speaker you want. It literally does not matter. The whole "gotta do things ANALOG for MUSICAL PURITY otherwise you're FAKING IT, and if it ain't 4-5 people recording LIVE it ain't MUSIC" attitude is the most narrow minded boomer logic possible and so many people think exactly like that. Who gives a poo poo. It's music. It's fun. Do the thing that results in the most fun for you. Of course, if for you that means only ever playing with 4-5 people live, then do that, whatever, but if your fun comes more from the end result of being able to press play and hear something cool come through your speakers, then who cares how you get there. You are the musician, you make the rules. Also... nobody who actually matters in music adheres to that self limiting stuff. Nobody cares about whether you played the verse part the whole way through the song, or just once and then copy-paste it. Nobody cares whether the scratches on your guitar came from you or the factory, etc. And about that "no extra SM57 allowed" comment, well, *laughs in Studio Fredman* GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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The thing that results in the most fun for me is apparently endlessly research and buying (and eventually selling) gear without ever producing a drat thing. At least that's what I tell myself. The alternative is just too depressing.
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There is a guy on the vi-control forums that owns a construction business and has spent at least 30k euro on orchestral sample libraries alone, impulse purchases every new hot library, and then whines about not being able to write music with any of them. pretty sure he also has an equivalent amount of money in hardware synths with the same problem Actually that whole space is pretty analogous to guitar stuff because many guys will drop tens of thousands of dollars on gear (in this case, libraries and plugins) to, at best, instead of doing a lovely Robben Ford cover, recreate music from The Phantom Menace.
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TheMightyBoops posted:The worst part of my DAW is when it forces me to auto tune all my tracks before exporting the audio. there is no chance you can't disable that somehow syntaxfunction posted:Almost every musician I've met who records with tape and without a computer at all has been a really poo poo musician and producer. They want a "lo-fi" feel which apparently means sounding like that. Tape loving owns, but there are plugins that nail that sound now so the extra work REALLY isn't worth it. I do however like the analog workflow, and I sort of still adhere to that philosophy when tracking. There's a bit more of a rhythm when tracking analog because you have to rewind the tape between takes, and editing is much harder so you are highly motivated to make every take as good as it possibly can be as it hits the tape because you can't "fix it in the mix". I also really love using analog mixing consoles as the tactile feel and consistency in the interface channel to channel makes it so you have to think less. You don't have to use tape to get any of those things I mentioned above. I slot in a brainworx SSL4000 plugin on every channel of my DAW to sort of replicate that feel (and sound) a bit and honestly it also helps me get into that analog sort of mindset a bit when recording. I also use Softube Tape on my master buss for when I want a bit of that tape compression and grit. These days you're a fool if you're ignoring all the new tools we have. If you're one of those nostalgia freaks, do yourself a favor and learn a DAW and just alter your workflow a little bit. Just use a console emulation plugin, some sort of tape emulator, try to capture the absolute best takes possible at all times, and let your sessions breathe a bit more by chilling a bit between takes. You now have the best of both worlds- "Analog" sound and workflow, but also modern abilities like non-destructive editing, limitless processing, and a ton of tools that I couldn't even have imagined a decade ago. Now if you're talking pretentious cunts who exclusively record on a lovely little tascam 4 track that's a whole other thing and I know a few idiots who are like that myself. The thing is, those dorks are on to something because them little things are actually awesome as hell and anyone who records should have one. I just wouldn't make it my personality. Portability can be amazing on those things, and you can get some really cool poo poo out of em IF you're good (most people are not). The fact that your track count is so limited and you have to bounce to get more tracks makes it so you have to commit to mix decisions really early in the process. I encourage everyone to get a lovely little old portastudio and try to do a full production on it using only gear that can be plugged into the unit- bonus points if you exclude using technology available after about 1990 or so. It really makes you have to use your brain as a producer/engineer because you have to meticulously plan out the order you're going to record everything in, you have to decide if you want to sacrifice sound quality for more tracks, and the limited resources make it so your instrumentation and arrangements have to be tight if it's going to work. It also forces you to be creative to get new sounds because there isn't just a plugin that does it automatically. Please see- The Pod or Pure Guava by Ween for a great example of a killer sounding record made on a 4 track. Early Mountain Goats stuff (pre-2002) is great too. You gotta write kickass songs for them to really work well. Gramps fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Show me any hobby that isn't also a giant money pit and I'll show you a refurbished ark of the covenant with 90d warranty excl. parts.
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You nerds are way overthinking this. Blast that poo poo and let er rip like this https://youtu.be/_XnOW3Pdjks
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Snowy posted:You nerds are way overthinking this. New thread title
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Gramps posted:Please see- The Pod or Pure Guava by Ween for a great example of a killer sounding record made on a 4 track. Pure Guava is a bit weaker, but the Pod is a brilliant concept album about having glandular fever and feeling poo poo. The guitar solo on Demon Sweat is easily one of my favourites ever. Incidentally, I read somewhere that when they started out as teenagers, they'd write a bunch of song names down, then hit record and improvise an album. Don't know if its true, but it would be a great songwriting exercise.
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DAWs aren't killing anything but software companies that cannibalize their userbase with predatory pricing often commit suicide
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGtaO9_oQlI
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Spanish Manlove posted:i can't tell if that's an april fools joke I'm leaning towards no. Batteries legit have a WILD effect on the sound of certain pedals, especially fuzzes so this is a cool idea.
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Cabbages and Kings posted:DAWs aren't killing anything but software companies that cannibalize their userbase with predatory pricing often commit suicide That's an issue with capitalism though. The worst thing about digital stuff is that you have infinite things to tweak and gently caress around with, so you get lost in it and forget to actually just make a cool song. It's the same thing happening in TV shows, a bunch of huge expensive scenes with all sorts of effects instead of actually writing a decent plot and characters. Or any hobby, just look at the guy with the carbon fiber bike with custom gears and ceramic whatever plus full lycra who never actually rides. Incidentally, that's kinda why I want a p bass that I can plug straight into an amp and go.
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Gramps posted:I'm leaning towards no. Batteries legit have a WILD effect on the sound of certain pedals, especially fuzzes so this is a cool idea. that level of pedal nerditry is entirely on brand for JHS so that's why i'm believing in it. If you don't know much about electronics the concept screams insanity
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BonHair posted:Or any hobby, just look at the guy with the carbon fiber bike with custom gears and ceramic whatever plus full lycra who never actually rides. I was at the local trails one time at one of the water stations the state park rangers keep stocked up (It's a very nicely maintained state park) and there was a dude in full lycra with a bike that cost about as much as my car whinging about a broken pedal or the seat height being off or something and not being able to fix it. Because my bike was $250 from bikes direct, I keep some wrenches and spare innertubes in a saddle bag and helped him with it. Dude actually lamented to me that he never thought of keeping stuff like that with him
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Gramps posted:I'm leaning towards no. Batteries legit have a WILD effect on the sound of certain pedals, especially fuzzes so this is a cool idea. I've got a DIY clone of a Devi Ever Improbability Drive that I really need to put in a case at some point that has a voltage drain knob that is supposed to replicate a battery going flat and the associated effects on the pedal's sound. Unfortunately, it's a DIY clone of a Devi Ever Improbability Drive, so I couldn't really tell you what kind of effect it has. I'm honestly not sure what most of the knobs actually do.
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I used to have an old Yamaha OD10MII overdrive that was great, but then modded it to have a voltage choke switch and it loving ruled as a fuzz. Output was lower but just ran a boost after it lol
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No other music gear related April Fools' jokes this year? Just that 'battery simulator' pedal??? I'm disappointed. Actually the 'holiday' has been pretty lackluster in general. I stayed up all night (working a graveyard shift, not by choice) and figured I'd get a jump on some pranks but there was barely anything.
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Mister Speaker posted:No other music gear related April Fools' jokes this year? Just that 'battery simulator' pedal??? I'm disappointed. Voodoo labs did a "pedal power plus daw plugin" gag but that's the only other one I saw
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Mister Speaker posted:No other music gear related April Fools' jokes this year? Just that 'battery simulator' pedal??? I'm disappointed. sweetwater is giving out four course meals with orders
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