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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I have a severely CD/Zizek-brained leftist superhero work coming out in a few weeks. It's been called an "anticapitalist post-superhero thriller." If people are interested I could drop some links in here, I guess? Some of the conversation over the past few pages has felt like people might enjoy it! Yes please!
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I have a severely CD/Zizek-brained leftist superhero work coming out in a few weeks. It's been called an "anticapitalist post-superhero thriller." If people are interested I could drop some links in here, I guess? Some of the conversation over the past few pages has felt like people might enjoy it! Please do.
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Mar 29, 2023 11:26
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I have a severely CD/Zizek-brained leftist superhero work coming out in a few weeks. It's been called an "anticapitalist post-superhero thriller." If people are interested I could drop some links in here, I guess? Some of the conversation over the past few pages has felt like people might enjoy it! How do I throw my money at you to make this happen faster?
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I have a severely CD/Zizek-brained leftist superhero work coming out in a few weeks. It's been called an "anticapitalist post-superhero thriller." If people are interested I could drop some links in here, I guess? Some of the conversation over the past few pages has felt like people might enjoy it! Either start posting those links, or start eatin' that trash can (of ideology).
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Mar 29, 2023 15:46
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Nephthys posted:I'd just like to point out that all of those things did happen in the comics at some point. Its not just that they aren't allowed to solve a problem, whenever one off stories of them solving them is done, its almost exclusively done in a way to show "tsk tsk, see? solving problem is actually bad you see and a dystopia. best to never try"
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Mar 29, 2023 16:45
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Feige has completed his decade long coup and gotten Ike Perlmutter fired. Dan Buckley now runs Marvel Entertainment and reports directly to Kevin Feige. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/29/business/media/disney-marvel-ike-perlmutter.html
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Mar 29, 2023 17:09
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Tom Guycot posted:Its not just that they aren't allowed to solve a problem, whenever one off stories of them solving them is done, its almost exclusively done in a way to show "tsk tsk, see? solving problem is actually bad you see and a dystopia. best to never try" Marvel's "What If" line was the same way. I remember I was incensed that the "What if Uncle Ben had lived?" issue was done twice, once where it was Aunt May instead and once where Spider-Man stopped the burglar (but not out of a sense of civic responsibility, but for adulation) and in both cases things turned out the same or worse.
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Mar 29, 2023 18:29
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Guy A. Person posted:Yeah was going to point this exact thing out. The status quo style writing of modern comic books, where huge world shattering events are happening constantly but nothing every really changes aren't written that way because they're the only interesting stories to tell. They're written that way so they can put them out indefinitely until they literally can't squeeze money out of the books/merchandise to justify continuing. Tom Guycot posted:Its not just that they aren't allowed to solve a problem, whenever one off stories of them solving them is done, its almost exclusively done in a way to show "tsk tsk, see? solving problem is actually bad you see and a dystopia. best to never try" (I see while I was writing this someone else noted the same thing!)
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Peyote Panda posted:IIRC this came up a lot in Marvel's various What If? series. The alternate versions were usually much more miserable outcomes rather than just being different. At the time I thought of it as more of a "The writers don't want to make the mainstream stories events look like the lesser outcome" but there were definitely elements of the above as well. There was an issue based on "What If The Punisher's Family Hadn't Been Murdered By Criminals" where Frank Castle lives a happy family life and becomes an honest cop but turns into The Punisher anyway after his family is murdered by corrupt cops Poor guy can't catch a break 
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Marvel's "What If" line was the same way. I remember I was incensed that the "What if Uncle Ben had lived?" issue was done twice, once where it was Aunt May instead and once where Spider-Man stopped the burglar (but not out of a sense of civic responsibility, but for adulation) and in both cases things turned out the same or worse. There's a few fun ones that don't necessarily run the formula of "this is bad! Good thing this didn't happen!"; there's one where Captain America becomes POTUS (he ends up dying with the Red Skull, leaving the US with its first black president), where Vision takes over Earth (he ends world hunger, homelessness, war) and eventually the Kree and Skrull [though they also show an alt future where Genosha genoshides all the world leaders when they meet Vision with nukes, resulting in Hitler World], where Dazzler becomes Galactus' Herald (she directs him towards lifeless planets, his heart grows ten sizes, Silver Surfer apparently bad at his job), and one where Captain America is a civil war soldier (becomes a Native American themed white savior, ends the Civil War earlier, saves Lincoln, prevents the Indian Wars, defeats the KKK). But you're not wrong that most of them trumpet the status quo of the main continuity, which is a bummer. I usually preferred Elseworlds over What If? Because I like alternate costumes
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Clayface will be a villain in The Batman 2. https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1641164762405806081
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Mar 29, 2023 21:07
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There's like 5 clayfaces, gotta narrow that down a bit. Unless they're adapting the Mud Pack story arc.
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Mar 29, 2023 21:09
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Clayface will be a villain in The Batman 2. How the hell is this gonna work - very supernatural but I am all for it. Finally something loving different.
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Mar 29, 2023 21:13
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I'm very glad they're building on the more fantastical elements in the first one (like his CC contacts).
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Mar 29, 2023 21:18
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I wouldn't be surprised if they go with the Golden Age version.
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Mar 29, 2023 21:20
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Vintersorg posted:How the hell is this gonna work - very supernatural but I am all for it. Finally something loving different. Probably just altering his face and maybe his voice, not the ridiculous shapeshifting he is usually known for. Though I would love it if, whenever he masquerades as a regular shmoe, he alternates between Tom Cruise-sized and LeBron James-sized people.
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Mar 29, 2023 21:21
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Clayface will be a villain in The Batman 2. The source listed in this tweet is Deadline, but the only article they have mentioning Clayface recently is one from about an hour ago where they say that Mike Flanagan has pitched an adaptation of Clayface to DC, but they are unsure whether he means it as its own original film or as an addition to the sequel to The Batman. https://deadline.com/2023/03/clayface-movie-mike-flanagan-warner-bros-1235312906/ I do not consider "writer pitches story to studio" to be definite news of an upcoming film.
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Mar 29, 2023 21:25
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The first clayface named Basil Karlo was originally a serial killer who just used movie makeup to kill people.
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Chairman Capone posted:Are there really a lot of fans who want Krasinski as Reed Richards? That just seems like such a weird choice to me. He's well known and he has a well known blonde wife so people get to feel clever for double fancasting. Personally I'd prefer they go super young for the FF since they're gonna be anchoring a corner of the MCU for a while in a bit here.
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Pirate Jet posted:The source listed in this tweet is Deadline, but the only article they have mentioning Clayface recently is one from about an hour ago where they say that Mike Flanagan has pitched an adaptation of Clayface to DC, but they are unsure whether he means it as its own original film or as an addition to the sequel to The Batman. https://deadline.com/2023/03/clayface-movie-mike-flanagan-warner-bros-1235312906/ Yeah, looks like Deadline updated the story with: quote:That said, other sources are telling us that scripts are constantly changing, and that Clayface is a big addition to Matt Reeves’ The Batman 2. Let’s wait until the dust settles here and something moves forward
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Just bring back the entire cast of the fox FF movies. Who doesn't want to see the commish in a rubber suit again? Or a bunch of confused people wonderin why captain america is now on fire.
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Pirate Jet posted:The source listed in this tweet is Deadline, but the only article they have mentioning Clayface recently is one from about an hour ago where they say that Mike Flanagan has pitched an adaptation of Clayface to DC, but they are unsure whether he means it as its own original film or as an addition to the sequel to The Batman. https://deadline.com/2023/03/clayface-movie-mike-flanagan-warner-bros-1235312906/
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It's crazy that Joker made a billion dollars and won a couple of Oscars and DC's strategy was to reboot their MCU ripoff.
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Neurolimal posted:There's a few fun ones that don't necessarily run the formula of "this is bad! Good thing this didn't happen!"; there's one where Captain America becomes POTUS (he ends up dying with the Red Skull, leaving the US with its first black president), where Vision takes over Earth (he ends world hunger, homelessness, war) and eventually the Kree and Skrull [though they also show an alt future where Genosha genoshides all the world leaders when they meet Vision with nukes, resulting in Hitler World], where Dazzler becomes Galactus' Herald (she directs him towards lifeless planets, his heart grows ten sizes, Silver Surfer apparently bad at his job), and one where Captain America is a civil war soldier (becomes a Native American themed white savior, ends the Civil War earlier, saves Lincoln, prevents the Indian Wars, defeats the KKK). DC had a fun one where an alternate earth Batman murdered every single DC villain after Robin got killed by Joker, and without villains to muck everything up that worlds heroes turned that world into a utopia (that then got destroyed by...I wanna say Superboy prime or the anti-monitor, I forget which)
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McCloud posted:DC had a fun one where an alternate earth Batman murdered every single DC villain after Robin got killed by Joker, and without villains to muck everything up that worlds heroes turned that world into a utopia (that then got destroyed by...I wanna say Superboy prime or the anti-monitor, I forget which) I remember that episode of Darkwing Duck.
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Schwarzwald posted:I remember that episode of Darkwing Duck. Wasn't that just a Dark Knight Returns parody?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Marvel's "What If" line was the same way. I remember I was incensed that the "What if Uncle Ben had lived?" issue was done twice, once where it was Aunt May instead and once where Spider-Man stopped the burglar (but not out of a sense of civic responsibility, but for adulation) and in both cases things turned out the same or worse. I kinda liked the latter one when I read it on marvel unlimited a long time ago. If it's the one I'm thinking of. Without an incident to inspire him to heroism for heroisms sake, he instead got drunk off being The Hero. He started beating up bad guys for his own satisfaction instead of because it's the right thing. I thought it was a pretty good What If concept.
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A lot of the What Ifs/Elseworlds have high body counts and downer endings imo simply because they're actually allowed to have endings, that they're self-contained and not obligated to maintain a status quo. That they seem like 'see, the canon continuity is the best of all worlds' a lot of the time is probably not always intentional.KittyEmpress posted:I kinda liked the latter one when I read it on marvel unlimited a long time ago. If it's the one I'm thinking of. Without an incident to inspire him to heroism for heroisms sake, he instead got drunk off being The Hero. He started beating up bad guys for his own satisfaction instead of because it's the right thing. See, that's the kinda thing I can see happening too, especially with Ditko-era Peter Parker. A key part of Spider-man's characterisation is a mix of ego and sense of humour balanced out by a crushing guilt complex.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Marvel's "What If" line was the same way. I remember I was incensed that the "What if Uncle Ben had lived?" issue was done twice, once where it was Aunt May instead and once where Spider-Man stopped the burglar (but not out of a sense of civic responsibility, but for adulation) and in both cases things turned out the same or worse. You forgot the cardinal rule of What If: Spider-Man's life always gets worse
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McSpanky posted:You forgot the cardinal rule of What If: Spider-Man's life always gets worse Like the one where he got put in a concentration camp and then smothered red skull to death with webbing
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DeimosRising posted:Like the one where he got put in a concentration camp and then smothered red skull to death with webbing Murdering Red Skull is loving awesome though
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McSpanky posted:You forgot the cardinal rule of What If: Spider-Man's life always gets worse I wish the What If cartoon remembered that.
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Sorry for pulling up older posts, I’ve been meaning to address this aspect of the discussion.Snowglobe of Doom posted:Don't forget that Spider-Man's main drive and pretty much his entire superhero origin was that he was a victim of crime - he didn't decide to become a vigilante because he got powers (and indeed he didn't bother stopping crime when he first got his powers because "That's not my problem") but because the man who raised him was murdered by a robber. You can't get much more obviously reactionary than that. Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I mean I agree with Kveezy but also one of the salves that they gave the Spider-Man fan is that he's really not very strong or durable as Superheroes go and his one big ability is "he's hard to hit". (and in fact that is what I liked about him as a kid. He was scrappy. I really appreciated the choice in the Ultimates to make him 'little' and how that carried over to making adult Parker a shorter guy, like 5'6", to show that). What’s more important than Spider-Man’s particular capacity corralling him towards the literal protection of Capital, is the general capacity of that imagery to arrest us in the first place. This is especially salient given the recent U.S. banking crises, and the state’s corresponding efforts to restore normalcy (Read: restoring faith in rampant private financial speculation). That is to say, rather than the reactionary content being due to the narrative not holding up or it being an inevitable consequence of serialization, I contend that it’s already fully there in the beginning, and that it’s most readily visible formally. Start with the basic contradiction of the super-vigilante standing for Justice against Crime through committing Crime — though instead of insisting it is necessary to overlook this in order for the story to work, we must instead see in it the truth of the story. What we are confronted with is the individual’s relation to society’s laws, and society’s need to quell the alienated surplus population produced by industrial capitalism. Given U.S. capitalism’s shift from industrialism to financialization, and the ever expanding surplus population, the image of a superhero utilizing their great power responsibly to stop bank robbers loses its ethical appearance and becomes almost quaint. It is this network of relations that is fundamentally reactionary, and is what makes the MCU Spider-Man/Stark connection the most explicit rendering. So to return to the basic contradiction: is it possible for an individual to deal justice by doing violent crimes? Yes, if the individual adheres to a properly transcendent logic beyond the extant society, committing a crime so tremendously violent that it reshapes society itself, retroactively re-contextualizing how we see the act in the first place. The U.S. abolitionist John Brown remains a controversial historical figure, as he led an engagement in what can be called grimdark vigilantism, but personally I’d be hard-pressed to call him anything but super-heroic. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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I just want to watch Spider-man deliver pizzas to a jaunty tune
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In an even more basic sense, Spiderman’s message that “if you don’t beat up criminals when you have the chance, you are responsible for any and all future bad actions they may commit” is fuckin’ insane bullshit.
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Josh Friedman (Avatar 2 and the Snowpiercer TV series) is writing the Fantastic 4 movie. He is taking over for the previous writers Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer; allegedly due to a "change in tone" to be less comedic and more dramatic Sci-fi. Matt Shakman (Game of Thrones and Wandavision) is directing. Rachel Brosnahan and Jodie Comer are both rumored to be in consideration for Sue Storm. https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1641887708535574536 quote:Jeff Kaplan and Ian Springer were the previous writers on the project and Friedman’s hire signals a potential change in tone. Kaplan and Springer are neophyte scribes known for their comedy scripts. Among the works they have in development are the Rebel Wilson comedy K-Pop: Lost in America and Disaster Wedding, which has Palm Springs filmmaker Max Barbakow attached to direct.
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No, Jodie! Run!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:allegedly due to a "change in tone" to be less comedic and more dramatic Sci-fi. I have a fantastic feeling about this!
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