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feetnotes posted:That’s true of the Yeerks that were in the immediate Earth area, yes. Those that went nothlit have probably done so by now, and within one generation will all be gone, just like the Taxxons. Pretty sure there are still Yeerks on the homeworld and there's the Yeerks on the blade ship.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 15:24 |
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The Yeerks were at least attacking the Anati homeworld, don't know how many were there. Plus they still control the Taaxon and Hork Bajir planets.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 16:01 |
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Given that the majority of Yeerks are on earth, though, i get the impression the ones elsewhere surrendered, except the ones on the blade ship
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 17:06 |
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It is kind of weird that most of the free Hork-Bajir end up staying on Earth in that case. You'd think they'd be organizing a way to go back to their homeworld if the Yeerks no longer hold it.
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 17:14 |
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I think for some, if not most of the free Hork-Bajir, earth is the only home they know. Relocating them might be a little cruel, in a weird way. But I suppose relocating them would get them safe and far away from human poachers. If Arbron can get shot by a dumbass, then the Hork-Bajir are just as vulnerable
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 17:34 |
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Arbron was shot by undercover XCOM troopers and the evidence is on Ax's laptop
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 18:14 |
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The Hork-Bajir homework also was biologically attacked. It might still not be safe for them.
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Strategic Tea posted:Arbron was shot by undercover XCOM troopers and the evidence is on Ax's laptop Oh I think we probably know the exact kind of shithead(s) who murdered Arbron:
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# ? Mar 29, 2023 19:03 |
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Epicurius posted:The Hork-Bajir homework also was biologically attacked. It might still not be safe for them. I also feel like I remember something about the yeerks starting to clear cut the forests? space was already limited, they might have done untold damage
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Did the Arn that came back in the Aldrea book say anything about the state of the planet? I don't remember anything other than that he was the last of the species.
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disaster pastor posted:I'm far from the first one to point this out, but it goes to show just how strong copaganda has been for decades that popular depictions of the police in media are "courageous defenders of the law" and popular depictions of defense attorneys are "devious scumbags who use technicalities to ensure the worst criminals avoid the punishments they deserve."
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mind the walrus posted:The sad thing is it's usually that way out of narrative convenience, and people just have... very low values i think it's more that people tend to be more afraid of being victims of crime than of being falsely accused themselves.
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Epicurius posted:i think it's more that people tend to be more afraid of being victims of crime than of being falsely accused themselves. No... narratively if your protagonist is a police officer then a defense attorney makes the most logical sense for a disposable antagonistic force. A judge would be too messy, a Jury too transient, and a corrupt prosecutor is a "special flavor." Defense attorney is by far the path of least resistance to add a 3/4 or 3rd act complication.
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mind the walrus posted:No... narratively if your protagonist is a police officer then a defense attorney makes the most logical sense for a disposable antagonistic force. A judge would be too messy, a Jury too transient, and a corrupt prosecutor is a "special flavor." Defense attorney is by far the path of least resistance to add a 3/4 or 3rd act complication. Well, sure, but that's why Perry Mason or Matlock aside, the police are usually the protagonists, and when an innocent person is accused, it's either police incompetence or they've been framed by the actual criminal, With the exception of a few more recent shows, like The Wire or the Shield, the police are usually seen as the "good guys"
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# ? Mar 30, 2023 00:18 |
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We'll see tomorrow what Marco's plan is for Jake, and if murder is on his mind.
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Avalerion posted:Having a trial for all this just seems super weird. Would an alien even be subject to earth/human laws? If you dig into it, "war crimes" is a really recent and really fascinating area of law. The Red Cross only dates back to the mid 1800s, a lot of our modern idea of war crimes dates to post-WWII and the Nuremberg trials, and the idea of an international court of justice in the Hague only dates back to the 1990s (stemming from the Yugoslavia tribunal) so is really in its infancy, legally speaking. You start talking about who's "subject" to those laws and you're really pulling a thread - i.e. Putin had a warrant issued at the Hague the other week, though Russia (like America) has never and still does not recognise the legitimacy of the ICC. Which doesn't matter, because the court is part of the post-WWII order and will try whoever it wants to try, i.e., whoever the rest of the international community agrees deserves pariah status, i.e. never American or British leaders. (I really recommend Geoffrey Robertson's book "Crimes Against Humanity.") As a kid I was puzzled as to why Visser One was on trial in the Netherlands rather than California, where he'd committed the crimes in question. But as an adult I get it and "Jake gets accused of war crimes at the Hague" is one of the wild curveballs that makes the series so great. Who else would go there but Michael and KA? kiminewt posted:The comments earlier about freed hosts having morphing powers made me think about what an absolute cluster gently caress that would be. I was thinking more about this the other day and wished I'd properly finished the series slightly later in life because I would have gone hog wild writing fan fiction short stories on all the untied loose ends. The weirdo loser who gets voluntarily recruited by the Sharing, becomes morph capable, feels abandoned by his Yeerk who goes off to become whale nothlit, turns into a creepy incel psycho spying on ex-girlfriends in cockroach morph. The "Department of Alien Interaction" agent who's ex-CIA or FBI and whose job it is to monitor some of the hundreds of morph-capable Americans the government perceives as a potential threat, X-Men style. The world-class limb reattachment surgeon who owes his fame and fortune to the skills he honed as a human-Controller after Ax dropped by the Yeerk Pool. The poor mental patient living with an oatmeal-crazed Yeerk stuck in his head, watching Marco yakking it up on Letterman on the TV mounted in the corner of the common room. liquidypoo posted:I think for some, if not most of the free Hork-Bajir, earth is the only home they know. Relocating them might be a little cruel, in a weird way. Interstellar Liberia
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HaNg on, Alloran has the yeerk sucker 9000 morph doesn't he? Can save that guy
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Mazerunner posted:HaNg on, Alloran has the yeerk sucker 9000 morph doesn't he? Can save that guy I would think Alloran is going to be too traumatized and too PTSD-ridden to want to use any of Visser One's morphs, if he even decides to morph again at all.
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Chapter 13-Jakequote:I woke up falling. “Aaaahhhh!” Well, there's the trial results. And also, I hope, Jake's chance to make a little peace with his decisions, Chapter 14-Aximili Two Years Later quote:<Launch two fighters. They are to go in with sensors on full active, no stealth measures. If whoever is hiding behind that moon is peaceful we do not want to sneak up on them. If they are not so peaceful … well, let them think they are facing nothing but a pair of careless fighters.> So now a new mystery. What is the strange ship, and why is there humandna there? Epicurius fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Epicurius posted:The Skrit Na did things for their own impenetrable reasons: They had, after all, made a number of trips to Earth, long before the Yeerks had discovered that planet. And what had they done with the people of Earth? Kidnapped them briefly for absurd medical tests, and on occasion killed some Earth creatures called cows. Had any of that had a purpose? Perhaps to the Skrit Na mind, but not to anyone else. C'mon Ax, you know what cows are. You were a cow! You almost got turned into hamburger, something you also know about.
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quote:“Well, dude, you don’t get to be a war criminal by thinking bad thoughts. It’s what was done, not what was felt or thought. You have to judge the act. You were acting in self-defense. You were enjoying the fact that you were winning. Two different things.” A fair call, though Jake might have difficulty applying it to his firebombing of Dresden
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Interesting short piece on the British secret service's view of the Nuremberg trials, which I found while trying to confirm my memory that it was the Americans who pushed for trials while the British just wanted to hang them all: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/26/britain-execution-nuremberg-nazi-leaders You read some stuff and think, yeah, that's pretty reasonable: quote:There, he felt his fear that the tribunals would be little better than show trials had been confirmed. "One cannot escape the feeling that most of the things the 21 are accused of having done over a period of 14 years, the Russians have done over a period of 28 years. This adds considerably to the somewhat phoney atmosphere of the whole proceedings and leads me to the point which in a way worries me most, namely, that the court is one of the victors who have framed their own charter, their own procedure and their own rules of evidence in order to deal with the vanquished." Then you read some stuff and think, oh, yeah, this same dude was a very senior British public servant when the British Empire was still a thing: quote:Liddell thought it unwise to prosecute the Nazis for having waged a war of aggression. "One cannot help feeling ... a dangerous precedent is being created," he said.
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freebooter posted:Interesting short piece on the British secret service's view of the Nuremberg trials, which I found while trying to confirm my memory that it was the Americans who pushed for trials while the British just wanted to hang them all: He does a lot of telling on himself in the quotes in that article. "The US and USSR support public trials instead of private executions, so I guess 'we are just being dragged down to the level of the travesties of justice that have been taking place in the USSR for the past 20 yrs.'" Also, reminder that this is Guy Liddell, whose enduring legacy is "the guy so much dumber than he thought he was that he had to retire from MI6 when it turned out the biggest spy ring in England was 'all of Guy Liddell's closest friends.'"
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# ? Mar 31, 2023 13:18 |
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Honestly quite astute writing in that it mirrored the debates we had in this thread- comparing Jake's actions to his thoughts
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quote:Cassie seemed less certain. Far less. She seemed ready to join in with Marco, but she couldn’t bring herself to do it. She tried to hide it, but there was this look in her eyes, this sideways look at me. I wonder how much of this is real and how much of it is Jake's guilty conscience.
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Rochallor posted:C'mon Ax, you know what cows are. You were a cow! You almost got turned into hamburger, something you also know about. The Skrit Na have experimented with at least ten of your cows, Prince Jake
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Ax knows what a cow is. He doesn't know why the Skrit-Na mutilate them. I assume he calls them Earth creatures because he's writing for an Andalite audience, who wouldn't know what cows are. Anyway, more chapters tomorrow
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Chapter 15-Jakequote:Controlling the animal mind and instincts are hardest the first time. The instincts can carry you away, especially in prey animals where the fear reflex is overwhelming. After that first time it becomes easier. Which is why you never go into battle with an untested morph.” So, first off, 29 Palms is a real Marine Corps base (the country's largest) in the Mojave, in San Bernadino County. Twentynine Palms is also one of the ways to get inside Joshua Tree National Park. This also confirms that his ship ran into the Blade Ship out there. Chapter 16-Jake quote:We returned to base so that Menderash could explain. My heart was pounding. My pulse was This is, as we know, a major sacrifice for an Andalite, and shows the respect Ax's crew have for him. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Menderash giving up his native species life like that out of survivor's guilt is gut-wrenching, especially because Jake clearly sees it and isn't protesting at all. Also laughing at the terminal awkwardness of Jake's string of dates with Hollywood starlets at Marco's behest. Especially circa 2001. Like did Jake have dinner with Britney Spears? I can totally picture Marco setting him up with like Lauren Ambrose or something. "You'll like her man. She has depth, like you." mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Apr 2, 2023 |
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Its also interesting that we're like 3 years out from the war now and already seeing the Andalites sharing the morphing technology even more widely than they were forced into at the end of the war. That coupled with some of Ax's thoughts are really showing the difference between peacetime and wartime Andalite society. Also the throwaway about cigarette companies pivoting to selling cigarette butts to Andalite tourists is one of the dumbest details and my favorite in the series.
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# ? Apr 2, 2023 04:11 |
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I re read this final book every few years or so and I totally forget about Kelbrid space everytime.
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# ? Apr 2, 2023 10:46 |
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Also always forget about the Kelbrid. Wonder if that's where Stellaris gets 'Kelbrid' from in its default species name list, there are a few other things in that game that also feel like pretty explicit Animorphs references like the brain slugs and an event that features essentially the Ellimist.
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mind the walrus posted:Menderash giving up his native species life like that out of survivor's guilt is gut-wrenching, especially because Jake clearly sees it and isn't protesting at all. This is what I also always take away from this chapter.
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I opened up the book barn for some reason I don't remember like two weeks ago and noticed this thread. in the intervening time I have wrecked my sleep schedule staying up devouring every single page, again. loved the books as a kid but stopped I think in the late 20s; in response to a gbs thread a couple years back I found the complete series online and chewed through it in a couple weeks; just now I've read ahead and finished it once again. not much to say that folks here haven't already said, so I guess I'll just join the chorus: what a good series. amazing that it's intended for middle schoolers - the technical level of the writing fits, but the themes... too bad about the spinning-its-wheels ghostwriter era but even that had plenty of bits that were totally worth it. and I think it sticks the landing. thanks for posting this thread.
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Chapter 17-Cassiequote:I was with Ronnie Chambers, my state of California counterpart of sorts. He was the governor’s liaison to the Hork-Bajir. We had left our assistants and even my omnipresent security detail behind. We were scouting out a new valley as a possible extension of the Hork-Bajir territory. The Hork-Bajir were a growing population. So that's sad. It's good Cassie found somebody, though. Chapter 18- Tobias quote:The world’s smartest mouse wiggled his nose at me. Oh, he knew I was watching, all right. He knew. He was brown, not especially plump or juicy-looking. He had a tail that I had shortened by an inch on a previous encounter. But since that one close call he had outsmarted me every time I’d gone What can I say? He's getting the team back together,
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# ? Apr 3, 2023 03:16 |
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I get the feeling that Applegate doesn't realize that Yellowstone is not in California and also that it's buried in snow 7 months out of the year.
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# ? Apr 3, 2023 03:35 |
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Maybe she wanted it to be Yosemite and the publisher wanted it to be Yellowstone?
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# ? Apr 3, 2023 03:45 |
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I do like this little bit we get of Tobias. Even with how much he hasn't coped he's still at least in touch with Toby and Cassie (and hopefully Loren) which is better than him going full hermit at least. Like he seems more functional than Jake was pre-Hague which is an interesting contrast, even if his choice to live as a hawk in the middle of nowhere is not something most people would ever choose.
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I'm from central Wyoming and I'm pretty sure the snow isn't that bad by spring. It's way the gently caress up high in the continental divide and double the elevation of Yosemite, but you can hike and camp there by April.
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