|
Internet Old One posted:There’s a lot to it that but at the end of the day courts are poo poo so like dude isn’t wrong.
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 16:48
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 14:19 |
|
|
univbee posted:I think another angle where people are I think rightly getting upset is that it's not impossible that when everything is done, Alex's life and show still don't really change materially.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 16:53
|
|
|
kw0134 posted:He'd basically have to leave the country entirely and never return. Slyphic fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Mar 29, 2023 |
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:12
|
|
|
kw0134 posted:He'd basically have to leave the country entirely and never return. This would ruin diplomatic relations with whatever country he flees to.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:13
|
|
|
Slyphic posted:So he pulls a Kim Dotcom. I heard he just had a lovely time on vacation at one, OH NOES, he might have to go back forever.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:18
|
|
|
you know...eventually...
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:19
|
|
|
So my big thing is this: the government has openly declared that Jones hurt people and he did so to a tune that vastly outstrips his personal wealth. Why does this kind of ruling not come with some kind of injection against frivolous personal spending? Taking a vacation to the freaking carribean feels just as much an attempt at denying the money to the people he hurt as if it was "selling his house" to his family for pennies and other such fraud. Does the court see it that way and I'm ignorant and is the system really this stupid?
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:25
|
|
|
Is this seriously real lmfao :roflollmao:
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:26
|
|
|
"alex jones is $1 billion dollars in debt" does not functionally matter until it actually impacts him in the same way that being $1 billion dollars in debt would affect anyone else if i'm a billion dollars in the red, i'm unable to pay any of my bills and likely going homeless for a long time if alex jones is a billion in the red, he gets to continue hosting his incredibly hateful radio show, making a mockery of the courts, and going on lavish vacations you say "he cannot wiggle his way out of this jam", but as far as he is concerned he isn't even in the jam yet, and may never be. oh no, someone else controls my company that is still paying me to do the same awful things. guess i'll go on another vacation.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:29
|
|
|
Zamujasa posted:"alex jones is $1 billion dollars in debt" does not functionally matter until it actually impacts him in the same way that being $1 billion dollars in debt would affect anyone else
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:31
|
|
|
Good thing he doesn't have a ton of currency specifically designed to circumvent national regulation and borders he could take with him and still receive more somewhere with a much lower cost of living and go right back to his day-to-day as a 'political exile'. That would never happen. He's shown he definitely respects the system too much to try that. Can you be a civil flight risk? Is that a thing? Do I need to start compiling a list of people that have successfully done this very thing you say he won't do? - https://www.businessinsider.com/guys-who-jumped-bail-2011-5 0.5 seconds of googling gave me this quick list.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:34
|
|
|
A lot of people ITT arguing that courts should be able to strip people of their possessions easier and faster, and that's a real 
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:43
|
|
|
Xakura posted:A lot of people ITT arguing that courts should be able to strip people of their possessions easier and faster, and that's a real "usually they don't punish people for x offense" doesn't explain why it didn't happen for these very unusual offenses. unless you're saying alex jones represents a usual level of chicanery? "oooo-oh-oh man! look at all the ways the law could, but won't, punish this man for all the things he is still definitely doing" doesn't really help you know?
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:48
|
|
|
Xakura posted:A lot of people ITT arguing that courts should be able to strip people of their possessions easier and faster, and that's a real They 100% should be but the US courts being a bloated mess that takes way way to long to resolve is a complaint that predates Jones by a bit
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:50
|
|
|
Xakura posted:A lot of people ITT arguing that courts should be able to strip people of their possessions easier and faster, and that's a real Why do you think it should deliberately slow?
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 17:56
|
|
|
Every court system in the US should have at least double the amount of judges it currently has, slow is bad for basically everyone who is acting in good faith. Alex Jones has consistently lied and obstructed and ignored orders at literally every level of this process in an intentional strategy to avoid actual consequences for as long as possibly and while the end is in sight it has not yet arrived, this would all have been done years ago if he hadn't abused literally every process he's had available to him, the delay is entirely for his benefit
Piell fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 29, 2023 |
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:08
|
|
|
It does seem like charges for fraud, money laundering, and perjury could start happening even while the bankruptcy case proceeds. My friend got in a dumb argument with his wife a couple days ago and she has some mental health issues and she slapped him and he got a scratch on his face. She called the cops because he "stopped the car too fast and it endangered the baby" (she has some mental health concerns). He just walked away, the cops came, then they came to his house and found him and took a picture of his scratch. He said he didn't want o pursue charges or do anything about it. Too bad they said, and arrested her. This happened like instantly. He got the situation resolved eventually, but it would be fine if Jones started spending a night in jail every time he blatantly lies or ignores the court or commits fraud, with hopefully ramping nights. That would be real immediate consequences for the ancillary crimes he's committing in the midst of his bad faith fraudulent bankruptcy.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:17
|
|
|
Xakura posted:A lot of people ITT arguing that courts should be able to strip people of their possessions easier and faster, and that's a real
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:21
|
|
|
Humans are stupid simple animals. If you want to train a stupid animal, you have to perform the reward or punishment as close to the act as possible or they cannot learn. This is the basis of every animal or child rearing book you can find that's written by anyone competent. Jones needs to face immediate, if paltry, punishment for each every trivial crime he commits until he stops because he finally learns. I'm flabbergasted this is a controversial position.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:22
|
|
|
Slyphic posted:Humans are stupid simple animals. If you want to train a stupid animal, you have to perform the reward or punishment as close to the act as possible or they cannot learn. This is the basis of every animal or child rearing book you can find that's written by anyone competent. Uhm. To who are we giving the power of instant, unchecked, summary judgement in this new legal paradigm?
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:30
|
|
|
Deptfordx posted:Uhm. To who are we giving the power of instant, unchecked, summary judgement in this new legal paradigm? The judge at the very least when he's literally making a mockery of the court rather than just constantly saying "Behave Mr Jones" every time he acted up.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:35
|
|
|
Deptfordx posted:Uhm. To who are we giving the power of instant, unchecked, summary judgement in this new legal paradigm? https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/publications/criminal_justice_section_archive/crimjust_standards_trialjudge/#6-4.1 The ones we already give criminal judges? I'm not asking for new legal systems, I'm pondering why the ones that are already on the books are being ignored.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:41
|
|
|
I absolutely agree that Jones has consistently made a mockery of the procedure and should be punished, and the repeated leniancy is beyond frustrating because if I was doing the same things I would be in jail. The idea he's acting in good faith in any of this is absurd at this point. That being said people really don't seem to understand that he lost. The billion dollar chili was him losing for good. This is just the wheels of justice slowly turning. Just because he's enjoying lavish vacations right now doesn't mean that's a forever deal. Elizabeth Holmes starts her 11 year prison sentence next month and her downfall started in 2015 and she did everything right. He literally has more debt than he's worth right now. He's going to be paying his creditors until he dies. He cannot escape. His continued antics will at one point catch up to him. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Mar 29, 2023 |
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:42
|
|
|
Alex the person can flee the country but InfoWars/FSS can not. He isn't going to be able to run a show without his studio/crew. I don't think he would even be able to figure out how to buy vodka for himself anymore. He relies on his hangarounds for everything. I don't believe for a second that Alex is sitting on a bunch of crypto/gold. The second a crypto donation entered his wallet he was flipping it for USD to "fund the infowar"
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 18:57
|
|
|
Nelson Mandingo posted:I absolutely agree that Jones has consistently made a mockery of the procedure and should be punished, and the repeated leniancy is beyond frustrating because if I was doing the same things I would be in jail. The idea he's acting in good faith in any of this is absurd at this point. the sandy hook shooting was 2012. the first defamation lawsuit was 2018. it is now 2023 and the clock is still running. alex jones is still doing the same poo poo he was doing, and more. he has, as you said, spent those five years making a complete mockery of the court system. he lost on paper. the man has yet to suffer any meaningful consequences to his quality of life. i get "well, justice works slow", but come on. e: the timeline for this really makes me laugh at "oh, you just want courts to be able to instantly hand down justice". idk, maybe a court system that takes five-plus years to do anything meaningful is... bad!!
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:03
|
|
|
Zamujasa posted:"alex jones is $1 billion dollars in debt" does not functionally matter until it actually impacts him in the same way that being $1 billion dollars in debt would affect anyone else the courts want him to continue hosting the radio show, because the profits from that show are gonna go into the plaintiffs' bank accounts. if he stops doing it, they get less money infowars isn't going away, unless he chooses the Lowtax path and burns it all down out of spite and he's not going to be able to pay all his bills either, because he owes more than he has. that's why he's filing for bankruptcy
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:07
|
|
|
The motion for sanctions was hilarious, thanks for sharing
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:09
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:the courts want him to continue hosting the radio show A just punishment accomplishes all the following: * Stops ongoing harm * prevents future similar harm * makes whole any harm inflicted as much as possible * dissuades others from performing the same harm Allowing Jones to keep his show to pay his debts ruins 3/4 of the purposes. Hence my anger at an outcome that isn't justice. Exacerbated by its incredible delay to no end I can fathom than Jones' benefit. I'm going to stop repeating myself now before the mods have to force this thing back on the rails because I feel like I'm having to go back to fundamentals of how systems are supposed to work while a good portion of this thread is only concerned with the minutiae of their current operation and I'll be damned if that's not a pattern that keeps repeating itself in my life.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:22
|
|
|
You don't let the asbestos factory keep selling asbestos so they can pay the people they hurt with their product.
Tree Dude fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Mar 29, 2023 |
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:29
|
|
|
Sell the desk to the Knowledge Fight guys, you cowards!
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:31
|
|
|
Slyphic posted:And that's a hosed up abomination of justice. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the plaintiff's would trade less money for his show ending immediately. they sued over the Sandy Hook lies, specifically as long as he stops telling Sandy Hook lies, then whatever else he does with that airtime is of no concern to the case
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 19:55
|
|
|
The plaintiffs are free to ask for a permanent injunction against the kind of defamation they sued over. I'm pretty sure once all is said and done one will be granted if they so move. What the plaintiffs can't do, because that's literally a 1A issue, is ask for a restraint against any continuation of his show. He's still free to speak his mind on any other topic, anything else is an impermissible prior restraint on speech. A court is not allowed to shut down the show permanently, for all time, on all topics. Again, we can argue over whether that ought be the case, but that's the state of law in the US.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 20:12
|
|
|
Burning_Monk posted:Sell the desk to the Knowledge Fight guys, you cowards! I think Bankston already called dibs. I just want cheap camera equipment, damnit.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:01
|
|
|
Has a single penny of judgment money actually gone to the victims yet?
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:06
|
|
|
Zamujasa posted:"alex jones is $1 billion dollars in debt" does not functionally matter until it actually impacts him in the same way that being $1 billion dollars in debt would affect anyone else How does being in debt prevent you from paying your electric bill or your car note? If you’re a billion dollars in debt you declare bankruptcy, get your house and car exempted so you keep them, the billion dollar debt evaporates, and then continue on with life the same as before except your credit card rates suck more all of a sudden.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:32
|
|
|
CharlestonJew posted:Has a single penny of judgment money actually gone to the victims yet? none of your concerns about the system matter because the system is working as designed. do not question the system. the system works. do not question the system.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:33
|
|
|
bird with big dick posted:How does being in debt prevent you from paying your electric bill or your car note? I'm fairly sure that bankruptcy doesn't get rid of this kind of debt.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:42
|
|
|
Agents are GO! posted:I'm fairly sure that bankruptcy doesn't get rid of this kind of debt. Yeah, pretty sure it's been said multiple times that the kind of debt Alex Jones and FSS are facing is not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:47
|
|
|
Agents are GO! posted:I'm fairly sure that bankruptcy doesn't get rid of this kind of debt. What kind of debt does forums user Zamujasa have?
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:50
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 31, 2024 14:19 |
|
|
I thought his argument was "This isn't how it would work for a normal person with a normal billion dollar debt." If his argument is "this isn't how it would work for a normal person with Alex Jones exact billion dollars in debt then thats a dumb thing to ponder because a normal person would never put themselves in that position. The reality is that a normal person with normal debts (even if they're massive in amount) declares bankruptcy and the debt goes away, this dude seems to think that you're just literally homeless for the rest of your life and that isn't how it works. It's only how it works, sometimes, if your debt is from willful violation of the law or drunk driving injuries and poo poo.
|
|
#
?
Mar 29, 2023 21:57
|
|