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Travic posted:I read the bill on this and it looks like there is a section that says something like, "Claiming this law violates your constitutional rights is not a defense against this law." Am I reading that right? i mean you can say whatever the gently caress you want, the real question is when enforcement time comes around. shades of "not responsible for broken windshields"
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Ershalim posted:Probably going to regret asking this, but what exactly are the people saying we spend too little on border security complaining about? Do they want more camps, or more murders at the border, or some other thing that isn't occurring to me? I assume the question reads as border security [from Mexico], but is there another angle to it? Like, are people buying into copaganda that fentanyl from China is giving them Super Havana Syndrome or something? They want it to be legal to hunt Mexicans for sport, and they want a world where the only dark-skinned people they ever have to interact with is the landscaper. They're thoroughly convinced that all Mexicans are superhuman drug trafficking sexual assault cyborgs, except for the "good ones" who they happen to know personally.
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Iamgoofball posted:if they pass this, the second they try to enforce it and oregon/washington/california refuses to extradite someone, it's a federal interstate commerce issue and at that point we'll see what level of cool zone we're in on the matter The point isn't to enforce it, it's to prevent anyone from trying. If you're a support group, are you willing to send your members and money to help transport someone in Idaho? Can Idahoans even get people to form such a group in Idaho?
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Has there been much discussion here on the specifics of Senate Bill S. 686 (the "TikTok Bill") and how kinda shockingly snoopy it is? Apologies if I'm very late to a dead conversation but my friends and I in the real world are only just coming to look at this thing. It strikes me as both a patriot act expansion into the digital real and corporate protectionism for domestic tech companies (many of which seem to be getting washed in global competition over top social media brand.) https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/senate-bill/686?s=1&r=25 Would folks consider these correct assertions? Kinda makes sense that the media blitz has been so focused on it being the "TikTok ban" when the bill itself is so, so much more than just that.
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Kalli posted:The point isn't to enforce it, it's to prevent anyone from trying. If you're a support group, are you willing to send your members and money to help transport someone in Idaho? Can Idahoans even get people to form such a group in Idaho? Yeah none of these are passed with the expectation that they hold up, it's about scaring. I mean, they're not going to turn down a gentleman's 6-3 at SCOTUS, but that's not the immediate point
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Iamgoofball posted:if they pass this, the second they try to enforce it and oregon/washington/california refuses to extradite someone, it's a federal interstate commerce issue and at that point we'll see what level of cool zone we're in on the matter The tweet is misleading. The bill makes it illegal to transport a minor for the purposes of an abortion *within the state*, without parental consent. That would include transporting them to the state border, but there's nothing in the law about crossing state lines. That's how they're trying to avoid interstate commerce issues. Now whether this violates some freedom of assembly rights idk.
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DeliciousPatriotism posted:Has there been much discussion here on the specifics of Senate Bill S. 686 (the "TikTok Bill") and how kinda shockingly snoopy it is? Apologies if I'm very late to a dead conversation but my friends and I in the real world are only just coming to look at this thing. It strikes me as both a patriot act expansion into the digital real and corporate protectionism for domestic tech companies (many of which seem to be getting washed in global competition over top social media brand.) It's less patriot act and more protectionism for domestic tech companies + anti-Russian/Chinese government tech influence. Most of the bill revolves around giving the Commerce Secretary authority to require companies to either not use technology that could be used by a terrorist group or a foreign government to cause damage to U.S. infrastructure/spy or force them to store the data on American soil/spin off the tech to a non-Chinese/Russian company. The bill isn't explicitly about Russia/China, but it is entirely about Russia/China having tech companies that are under control or owned by their respective states.
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Kalli posted:The point isn't to enforce it, it's to prevent anyone from trying. If you're a support group, are you willing to send your members and money to help transport someone in Idaho? Can Idahoans even get people to form such a group in Idaho? This. The point of these laws are twofold, first to signal to your rabid base just how much you hate the Other, and second to scare people enough that they don't even try the thing you're trying to prevent, regardless of constitutionality or anything else really.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's less patriot act and more protectionism for domestic tech companies + anti-Russian/Chinese government tech influence. Most of the bill revolves around giving the Commerce Secretary authority to require companies to either not use technology that could be used by a terrorist group or a foreign government to cause damage to U.S. infrastructure/spy or force them to store the data on American soil/spin off the tech to a non-Chinese/Russian company. boy howdy i sure hope there are good, meaningful limits, because you could make an argument that any site that allows user-generated content could be used for those purposes
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Forum accident posted:Can't help but notice that it looks like this poll didn't ask people how they felt about military spending. You could cut military spending in half and easily make all the rest of those points presented as contradictory happen. The survey did include cutting military spending, as the linked piece shows, and it garnered the highest percentage of pro-cut votes (eta: in the graphic posted by AP that I pasted below):  It was kind of... disingenuous to cut off the military spending in the tweet graphic, as Kapur did. It really does pay to click through & read the linked stories from tweets if they aren't paywalled, because otherwise the tweets, as well as those reposting it, are incorrectly mediating the news. Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Zamujasa posted:boy howdy i sure hope there are good, meaningful limits, because you could make an argument that any site that allows user-generated content could be used for those purposes Yeah this bill has a lot of the usual garbage vague language that just screams "flexible and wide reaching bill that can be weaponized against any perceived state enemy" and for those reasons alone it needs to be loving shitcanned.
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Kalli posted:The point isn't to enforce it, it's to prevent anyone from trying. If you're a support group, are you willing to send your members and money to help transport someone in Idaho? Can Idahoans even get people to form such a group in Idaho? Of course. Groups have formed around providing safe transport out of states with bans, and something like this would never stop that. The law may discourage some Idahoans seeking abortion from seeking out those resources, because nobody will want to be the test case. It won't discourage people from helping.
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Zamujasa posted:boy howdy i sure hope there are good, meaningful limits, because you could make an argument that any site that allows user-generated content could be used for those purposes The short version is that it is defined as: - Trafficking or selling nuclear, biological weapon, radiological, or toxic material. - Causing mass severe damage to critical United States infrastructure. - Importing narcotics into the country. - Executing a terrorist attack against any government where planning was done in the United States. - Operating an information or communication technology that has access to American financial assets or personal data that is owned or operated by a foreign government. It's basically designed to target China (TikTok, ByteDance, WeChat, AliBaba, and Huewei) and Russia (Kaspersky anti-virus) to allow them to either block that tech or force a restructuring so the company that is owned or run by a foreign state has make the data and technology subject to American laws and out of control of the foreign state. Plus, they threw in terrorists and nuclear weapons just to be sure. The tl;dr version is: "Under current law, we can't act against or restrict these companies without restricting the entire industry. Let's set up a system where we can apply specific rules and security regulations to them without messing with the whole industry." Basically, it's a bill that targets Russian/Chinese tech companies, but doesn't technically target Russian and Chinese tech companies.
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Willa Rogers posted:The survey did include cutting military spending, as the linked piece shows, and it garnered the highest percentage of pro-cut votes (eta: in the graphic posted by AP that I pasted below): Technically this graphic is also chopping off a bunch of data. The NORC article has the actual full data. Foreign aid has the highest support for cuts (by a pretty large margin too lmao Americans are so loving stupid): koolkal posted:
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Most marijuana legalization at the state level is either dead or frozen in place until 2024, but Delaware has kind of come out of nowhere and passed a bill to legalize marijuana recreationally very quickly. The Governor hasn't said whether he will sign it or not, but the legislature also passed it with a veto-proof majority. https://twitter.com/kylejaeger/status/1640815702100807680 quote:Delaware Senate Approves Marijuana Legalization And Sales Bills, Sending Them To The Governor
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Blue Footed Booby posted:https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9ppz/nashville-shooting-marjorie-taylor-greene-matt-walsh-anti-trans It's both. The "blame everything but the gun" gambit has been their go-to tactic in response to mass shootings for literal decades. This is the first time they've had a major opportunity to openly link it to "oh and by the way, LGBTQ+ people should not exist by any means necessary". So these two branches of the tree of right wing violence reaching out an entwining with one another was a long time coming, but inevitable. They did this after the Club Q shooting too after the shooter's lawyer claimed he identified as non-binary to troll the media, "guns are not the problem here, it's the LGBTQ+ community that is, and the solution to that problem is more bullets in LGBTQ+ people". nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d9ppz/nashville-shooting-marjorie-taylor-greene-matt-walsh-anti-trans It's both, but mostly the latter. They're trying to paint trans folks as "bad people" with fundamentally evil intentions and thus morally bankrupt, deserving of all sorts of discrimination, etc. Same as how they paint trans people as rapists and child molesters. At the same time, it's consistent with their desire to respond to school shootings by talking about basically anything besides guns.
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koolkal posted:Technically this graphic is also chopping off a bunch of data. The NORC article has the actual full data. You are correct, which is why I modified my post to indicate that the chopped graphic was what the AP posted, which is what made it disingenuous for Kapur to post the same AP graphic given that he only cut one item from it.
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DarkCrawler posted:Maybe they were referring to the voters instead of the politicians? Either way they literally don't give a slightest poo poo about dead children who are not theirs, and honestly don't seem to care that much about their own children either considering the recent years. Speaking of: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/28/tim-burchett-republican-nashville-shooting quote:“It’s a horrible, horrible situation, and we’re not going to fix it,” Burchett said. “Criminals are gonna be criminals. And my daddy fought in the second world war, fought in the Pacific, fought the Japanese, and he told me, he said, ‘Buddy,’ he said, ‘if somebody wants to take you out, and doesn’t mind losing their life, there’s not a whole heck of a lot you can do about it.’”
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Has this been discussed yet? https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-disney-new-reedy-creek-board-powerless-20230329-qalagcs4wjfe3iwkpzjsz2v4qm-story.html It looks like Disney's district Reedy Creek signed over almost all of their responsibilities to Disney the day before the Florida house voted to put DeSatan in charge. The new 5 Republican board has almost no control except over Roads and basic infrastructure. Apparently this declaration is valid “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England,” according to the document.
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Zotix posted:Has this been discussed yet? https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-disney-new-reedy-creek-board-powerless-20230329-qalagcs4wjfe3iwkpzjsz2v4qm-story.html Evil capitalists vs evil fascists you hate to see it
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Jaxyon posted:Evil capitalists vs evil fascists Did they get tricked with the legalese or was this always the deal?
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They had an open meeting the day before where there were questions, but they quickly passed it through the board.meeting and voted on it.
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Perhaps the last place I ever expected the rule against perpetuities to pop up. Law school professors everywhere must be giddy with joy.
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Zotix posted:Has this been discussed yet? https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-disney-new-reedy-creek-board-powerless-20230329-qalagcs4wjfe3iwkpzjsz2v4qm-story.html Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that they worded the declaration like something out of a curse from the fairy tales Disney kept making films for? Guess DeSantis will have to commit regicide if he wants to piss in Disney's cereal.
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Randalor posted:Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that they worded the declaration like something out of a curse from the fairy tales Disney kept making films for? Guess DeSantis will have to commit regicide if he wants to piss in Disney's cereal. Multiple regicide, and then some!
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Actually he wouldn’t have to commit any regicide, technically. He could just kill the rest of his family; Charles himself would just be style points. And as long as Charles is alive William and his kids aren’t regents, so it’s cool. (This post is not an endorsement of killing any royals)
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Jaxyon posted:Evil capitalists vs evil fascists
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Most marijuana legalization at the state level is either dead or frozen in place until 2024, but Delaware has kind of come out of nowhere and passed a bill to legalize marijuana recreationally very quickly. Don’t forget about MN  We’re moving right along since the DFL finally regained state control: https://www.marijuanamoment.net/minnesota-lawmakers-approve-marijuana-legalization-bill-with-overhaul-amendment-in-house-committee/No idea how long before everything gets ironed out, but at least they’re being thorough. And it doesn’t sound like there will be any hold out votes in either our House or Senate Kalit fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Kalit posted:Don’t forget about MN True. They haven't actually passed anything yet, though. I'm not familiar with the progress on that specific issue in MN; do you know if it is likely to pass? I believe it has passed committees there before, but ended up dying.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:True. They haven't actually passed anything yet, though. I'm not familiar with the progress on that specific issue in MN; do you know if it is likely to pass? I believe it has passed committees there before, but ended up dying. It never went anywhere previously because we’ve had a split controlled legislature for a while. The DFL finally got full control of it this year. While they only have +1 in the Senate, I haven’t heard of any holdouts. The main DFL leaders/Governor Walz (and Jesse Ventura, of course) have been very outspoken about getting this passed. And it’s gone through like 13 committees already since the beginning of the year, I think? So it seems to be flying through with changes being made here and there, but nothing that’s been majorly opposed by any DFL members AFAIK. Based on these things, I would say yes, it's very likely to pass Kalit fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Mar 30, 2023 |
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Timeless Appeal posted:I mean it's evil capitalists vs evil fascist-capitalists, so it's easy to pick a side. Is it really? Disney gets what they want, and Desantis gets to continue grifting state money and directing it to his friends and benefactors. I still think this was planned the whole time, and they very nearly got to shift the bond from Disney paying it to state taxpayers paying it.
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Mellow Seas posted:Actually he wouldn’t have to commit any regicide, technically. He could just kill the rest of his family; Charles himself would just be style points. And as long as Charles is alive William and his kids aren’t regents, so it’s cool.  :"Curse you curse loopholes! Curse you!"
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Zotix posted:Has this been discussed yet? https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-ne-disney-new-reedy-creek-board-powerless-20230329-qalagcs4wjfe3iwkpzjsz2v4qm-story.html you left a part out quote:That declaration is valid until “21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England,” if it is deemed to violate rules against perpetuity, according to the document. i'm just visualizing the Disney lawyers going all  before going home to sleep on their mattresses stuffed full of hundred dollar bills and disney interns
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Mellow Seas posted:Actually he wouldn’t have to commit any regicide, technically. He could just kill the rest of his family; Charles himself would just be style points. And as long as Charles is alive William and his kids aren’t regents, so it’s cool. Ok but Charles could have more kids.
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Farchanter posted:I'm curious if DeSantis is even going to care. He gets to put "put Woke Disney in their place" on his campaign ads, the actual implementation probably doesn't bother him one bit. Depends on how much traction it gets in the news and whether or not he can spin it as owning the lgbt people that he and his base hate the existence of so much.
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