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man, between battles and backup, you are not ever going to want to let an opponent's creature hit face. Even if they have a vanilla 3/2, you will always have to hold back a blocker. They could drop one of a couple different battles and instantly flip it. They could play a backup creature and give it abilities like reanimating another creature. I'm going to guess that there's not going to be a lot of good red damage based removal either. I hope there's more of other kinds of removal. You're going to want to keep your opponent's board clear. Or maybe just punish them for not trading with their last creature so they can attack with it on their turn. also, regarding the zendikar battle. If they have creatures that can get in for 3 damage on turn 4, its not just an explosive vegetation. That only ramps by 2. This will ramp you for 3, taking you from 4 mana straight to 7. It gets even more complicated if you factor in mana dorks. That one from DMU that can turn a land into a 3/3 attacker especially. We're gonna see a lot of Atraxas in standard, I think. A Moose fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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thespaceinvader posted:Am i right in thinking there hasn't been a straight up 4 mana put 2 lands in play in Standard until now?
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Rinkles posted:Recently or ever, cause Explosive Vegetation variants have been printed many times? Recently I'm reminded of the time when uro and Growth Spiral were both in standard and you routinely got Emergent Ultimatum on turn 4. And I thought it was already horrible trying to play aggro. E: also what the heck is this https://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/esper/ It's the next link after the most recent spoiler on Magicspoiler and have no fuckin clue what it is. thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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There are several letters in the Patch Notes that are erroneously capitalized in the middle of words. In order, they are "FOLSARLOP" but I don't know what that means. Scrabble tile solver spits out apollos, florals and pallors - of which, pallors is the most likely to mean something. e:nm it's an anagram of APR FOOLS which is an old promo code Or their copyeditor is poo poo 
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Shrecknet posted:There are several letters in the Patch Notes that are erroneously capitalized in the middle of words. In order, they are "FOLSARLOP" but I don't know what that means. Scrabble tile solver spits out apollos, florals and pallors - of which, pallors is the most likely to mean something. Yeah, there's a capital i on the same line as the last P to complete the anagram. There have been April Fools events in the past, so it's probably just a cheeky way of saying that something was added.
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thespaceinvader posted:Recently It's a plane for Planechase
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thespaceinvader posted:Recently There is this crappy variant from Vow  quote:E: also what the heck is this https://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/esper/ Those are planechase cards, intended for commander I think
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thespaceinvader posted:Am i right in thinking there hasn't been a straight up 4 mana put 2 lands in play in Standard until now? There's Expand the Sphere which is kinda that. Vastwood Surge from ZNR is the last good one I think?
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Neither of those are actually reliably ramping to 7 on turn 4 though. are they? Top 7 is likely, but not guaranteed, top 6 is obviously worse but comes with upside. IDK maybe I'm being paranoid - and it's not like turn 4 Atraxa isn't already possible in theory - but it sounds like a potentially oppressive environment.
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thespaceinvader posted:Neither of those are actually reliably ramping to 7 on turn 4 though. are they? Top 7 is likely, but not guaranteed, top 6 is obviously worse but comes with upside. I forgot entirely about Atraxa, 4 color control is back let's gooo
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On a different note has anyone noticed the amusing interaction between Glissa and Battles?
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is there one? it doesn't have counters, does it? just "deal 3 damage"? I don't think deathtouch does anything either since it isn't a creature. e: just read the oracle wording, it is defense counters so nm Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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thespaceinvader posted:On a different note has anyone noticed the amusing interaction between Glissa and Battles? its kinda funny for battles that have 3 health or less, but otherwise glissa only triggers if she hits face, so the upside is you can push an extra 3 damage while winning a battle. She can't hit a battle and then remove 3 more counters. its kinda meh
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thespaceinvader posted:Am i right in thinking there hasn't been a straight up 4 mana put 2 lands in play in Standard until now? CURRENT standard? Boseiju Reaches Skyward gets basic Forests but doesn't fix your mana. Slimefoot's Survey and Titania's Command get two lands each but cost 5 and 6 respectively.
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thespaceinvader posted:On a different note has anyone noticed the amusing interaction between Glissa and Battles? Questing Beast for battles, yes.
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A Moose posted:its kinda funny for battles that have 3 health or less, but otherwise glissa only triggers if she hits face, so the upside is you can push an extra 3 damage while winning a battle. She can't hit a battle and then remove 3 more counters. its kinda meh It's exactly this, and it's not a game breaking combo but it is a fun interaction that they probably put in intentionally without spoiling the way Battles work. Lone Goat posted:CURRENT standard? Boseiju Reaches Skyward gets basic Forests but doesn't fix your mana. Slimefoot's Survey and Titania's Command get two lands each but cost 5 and 6 respectively. Boseiju Reaches doesn't ramp at all, it just searches to hand. Doing any two lands for four with no limit on what is searched is new to this standard. But like I say, I'm not sure it's actually WORSE than current standard in terms of getting a big 7 drop on turn 4 (or 8 drop if you have Goldhound turn 1) it's just a different way of doing it tht will probably be super popular initially. Unless their backsides are amazing none of the others yet spoiled seem that outstanding.
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thespaceinvader posted:
Oh whoops I was going by memory and just assumed it was insanely good rather than merely extremely good (in limited).
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thespaceinvader posted:Neither of those are actually reliably ramping to 7 on turn 4 though. are they? Top 7 is likely, but not guaranteed, top 6 is obviously worse but comes with upside. There's a lot of ways to get Atraxa out on turn 4 in Gruul Deck 4 Fable of the Mirror-Breaker (NEO) 141 1 Takenuma, Abandoned Mire (NEO) 278 3 The Cruelty of Gix (DMU) 87 1 Sokenzan, Crucible of Defiance (NEO) 276 3 Phyrexian Fleshgorger (BRO) 121 1 Toxrill, the Corrosive (VOW) 132 3 Atraxa, Grand Unifier (ONE) 196 1 Soul of Emancipation (SNC) 223 3 Ascendant Packleader (VOW) 186 2 Llanowar Loamspeaker (DMU) 170 2 Armored Scrapgorger (ONE) 158 2 Weaver of Blossoms (VOW) 226 2 Lukka, Bound to Ruin (ONE) 207 4 Cut Down (DMU) 89 4 Go for the Throat (BRO) 102 1 Boseiju, Who Endures (NEO) 266 3 Haunted Ridge (MID) 263 1 Sulfurous Springs (DMU) 256 3 Deathcap Glade (VOW) 261 1 Mountain (USG) 343 2 Copperline Gorge (ONE) 249 2 Karplusan Forest (DMU) 250 2 Rockfall Vale (MID) 266 4 Ziatora's Proving Ground (SNC) 261 1 Swamp (NEO) 287 1 Forest (ANA) 9 3 Burn Down the House (MID) 131 To do it on turn 4 reliably you probably want Citanul Stalwart or whatever is called
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Yeah, it's pretty easy to do with Big Score, so this is just another way rather than necessarily an amazing way. E: drat resolving Karn, Living Legacy's ult token takes four fuckin clicks per cycle. I should take him out of this deck again.
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So I know a lot of people in here don't like this kind of talk, but... There is absolutely matchmaking in Ranked. I've noticed before that if you play jank you seem to always face the jank mirror, and if you play certain off meta cards you'll see them. I spent all morning playing a very bad R/W equipment deck. Every match I had, 15 or 20 in a row, was against an off meta deck. In Diamond. I switched to my Atraxa deck and suddenly every match i have is against mono black, mono blue, or other meta deck. But mostly those two. My guess is that it's just the same algorithm as the Brawl hell queue. I'm guessing that certain cards, maybe a certain number of certain cards, gets your deck flagged as "serious" and placed in a tougher queue. Probably Fable and black removal spells are what puts my Atraxa deck into that queue, if not Atraxa herself If you don't believe me please test it. Other people have noticed it. If you play a lot of off meta like I do, you really notice
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precision posted:So I know a lot of people in here don't like this kind of talk, but...
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precision posted:So I know a lot of people in here don't like this kind of talk, but... Show us some statistically significant numbers
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I played an incredibly off meta deck in Ranked and never played a single jank deck. In fact in all of my time in Ranked and Play, I’ve never seen someone else play Urabrask’s Forge + Filigree Sylex together. I’ve seen both separate in some janky decks. The queue was not different for me at all regardless if I played Soldiers (#1 BO1 meta deck, most common) or Gruul (uncommon meta deck) or that Red Oil jank (played exclusively by LegenVD in a single YouTube video. If there was an ability to game the ranked Match algorithm I would fully expect the mythic streamers to do so.
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precision posted:So I know a lot of people in here don't like this kind of talk, but... Nobody likes it because the only evidence we have is anecdotes along the lines of "I had an unusual morning."
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Hey, I'm just trying to help out. It's not just this morning, it's always. Can you explain to me why you think there's a hell queue for brawl and not one for other modes? Why do one but not the other?
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precision posted:Hey, I'm just trying to help out. It's not just this morning, it's always. because they said they made the hellqueue just for brawl. Its a documented feature of the historic brawl queue, its not some superstition.
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It’s also a very easy code to write If commander = Golos Or Rusko Or Baral Or Bolas Queue “hell queue” And if TimeElapsed > 30 MatchFound = No Queue “normal people queue” End How do you write that for a constantly shifting standard meta? Some kind of regression analyzing the percentage of each deck that matches the top percentages of the top meta decks, then matches against opponents with a similar regression meta match percentage? Not a fun thing to implement or update or monitor.
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precision posted:Hey, I'm just trying to help out. It's not just this morning, it's always. It's confirmation bias. The first bit that is. The second bit is because they explicitly confirmed they were implementing a queue to isolate the most broken commanders back in Prismatic Bridge standard brawl when Bridge (along with Kinnan and a couple of others) was just absolutely dominant, and we have good rason to assume the practice has been maintained, though no actual data to back it up. E: on a completely different note can we get the people who do the trailers for magic to just make a magic movie please this poo poo is rad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CvkMPoUNaA thespaceinvader fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Like, I'm certainly willing to be wrong, but not if the only argument is "I trust WOTC" If there wasn't a hell queue for Brawl I would be a lot less sure of this, but I really just don't think there's any good reason to believe they'd do that for one format but not another
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precision posted:Like, I'm certainly willing to be wrong, but not if the only argument is "I trust WOTC" The argument isn't "I trust WotC," the argument is thespaceinvader posted:It's confirmation bias. and A Moose posted:Show us some statistically significant numbers house of the dad posted:the only evidence we have is anecdotes
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this thread from Sierkovitz on the shuffler could be applied to the matchmaker https://twitter.com/Sierkovitz/status/1640309986654814209?s=20
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I guess I wouldn’t be surprised if there was (look at some of the poo poo John Darnielle takes to Mythic lol) but I’ve played my share of off and on meta decks in ranked and it’s never felt like the pool was different. One session a few seasons ago literally every match I played in Diamond was against top tier, super meta decks and then my rank up game to get into Mythic was against Explorer UW artifact aggro lol. Anecdotally, it feels like competition is softer and decks are weirder early in the morning.
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The biggest argument against it is the one for just how absurdly hard it would be to make and maintain, when it's completely unnecessary - both the shuffler and the matchmaker. They have no need to rig it, they have no motivation to rig it, so why would they spend what would be a significant amount of money and work hours to rig it when they can just use basic ELO for matchmaking and an RNG for the shuffler. We also do know (again because Wizards have confirmed it) that there is a hand smoothing function involved specifically for the first hand drawn in Bo1, in which it functionally draws two hands, compares the distribution of land vs nonland to the deck as a whole, and serves you the one which more closely matches your deck's distribution.
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Longer explanation of the bug that's a kind of fun read. https://www.reddit.com/r/MagicArena/comments/125rqw4/a_bug_to_pierce_flesh_and_spirit_alike_the_story/
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The Mountain Goats gets access to Arena Premium of course
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I just realized MOM draft has the potential for triple rare packs; the rare slot, the multiverse legends, and the guaranteed battle slot. Gonna make some insane draft decks and absolutely unhinged sealed pools
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I am definitely saving my draft tokens up for MoM draft, didn't like the shadows as much as I thought. Actually the phantom sealed monowhite was my best and most fun deck so far so might squeeze some of those out again while I still can.
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CatstropheWaitress posted:Longer explanation of the bug that's a kind of fun read. It is absolutely buck wild to me that they use machine-reading to generate their card code instead of writing it themselves, but somehow unsurprising. It's honestly incredible just how few bugs the game has had, considering the absurd levels of complexity of interactions in Magic cards, and the sheer density of rules governing them.
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im almost afraid to play this deck, it seems so insane https://www.17lands.com/draft/eaea126c329d42f18e44faf9ff822692 the draft https://www.17lands.com/pool/eaea126c329d42f18e44faf9ff822692 the pool https://www.17lands.com/deck/eaea126c329d42f18e44faf9ff822692 the deck 2 collective brutality, grim flayer, 2 obsessive skinner, traverse, legendary spider, a duskwatch recruiter, 2 rabid bites and 2 of the deathtouch dryad. Feels like this is my draft to lose
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