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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I think chicken breasts are now up 100% Over three years

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Here is historical data for gasoline

While gas has gone down the current average price is still at or near previous historical highs.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

man its almost as if its a cartel that does whatever it wants with gas prices

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Tuckerd
Mar 29, 2023

by vyelkin

Frosted Flake posted:

In your opinion, what institutions or material conditions are stable or improving?

China!

TDepressionEarl
Oct 28, 2010


I'm trying to win the World Cup
but I'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps playing Argentina onside


mastershakeman posted:

couldn't afford that stuff

:thunkin:

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

my mind is screaming “inflation adjusted!!! “

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009


china will grow larger

TDepressionEarl
Oct 28, 2010


I'm trying to win the World Cup
but I'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps playing Argentina onside


many such cases

Woke Mind Virus
Aug 22, 2005

i went ahead and fit a line that shows the price declining

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Willa Rogers posted:

that cancer-screening stuff was always kind of a trap bc if "preventive" exams actually find anything they're then coded as "diagnostic" & subject to that $8,000 deductible.

true but your odds of surviving cancer are significantly better when doctors know that you have cancer.

the US healthcare system is by far and away the biggest reason I fled the country

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

mastershakeman posted:

One of the funniest things about food deserts is they've never been real. The definition was jerry rigged to exclude tons of places with food, including frozen vegetables. It was entirely about having fresh food at stores. And then when stores opened offering that, surprise, people didn't want or couldn't afford that stuff anyways

So yeah like most other things it's all just a big scheme for getting dollars to favored friends, just like minority owned businesses and whatever else. Some real fun examples of that with the legal weed stores and the govt unsuccessfully trying to keep out all entirely white businesses with a minority front person

um there not being nearly as many grocery options in poor areas, even affordable and minority owned, is literally a real thing in LA but go on

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

webcams for christ posted:

true but your odds of surviving cancer are significantly better when doctors know that you have cancer.

the US healthcare system is by far and away the biggest reason I fled the country

good news theres now more reasons than ever

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


webcams for christ posted:

true but your odds of surviving cancer are significantly better when doctors know that you have cancer.

the US healthcare system is by far and away the biggest reason I fled the country

yep, if you live to be 75 in the US, you're expected to make 85

it's the people who never make it to 65 because they can't afford healthcare or regular screenings that really bring that average down

Tuckerd
Mar 29, 2023

by vyelkin

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

social media panicking about what to do when the states start throwing people off Medicaid is already starting

a problem literally every other country has solved. :911:

to get a Job is to KillOnesSelf :fsmug:

welcome to america in 2023, your patch of SuiCidewalk is right this way :patriot:

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

mastershakeman posted:

One of the funniest things about food deserts is they've never been real. The definition was jerry rigged to exclude tons of places with food, including frozen vegetables. It was entirely about having fresh food at stores. And then when stores opened offering that, surprise, people didn't want or couldn't afford that stuff anyways

So yeah like most other things it's all just a big scheme for getting dollars to favored friends, just like minority owned businesses and whatever else. Some real fun examples of that with the legal weed stores and the govt unsuccessfully trying to keep out all entirely white businesses with a minority front person

My experience living in a food desert was that the grocery store in the next neighborhood put out its dairy on the sell-by date, I had 2 days before I had to throw out my (sealed) cheese. So I didn't shop there much, it was worth grabbing groceries after work and taking them an hour on the train cause you know they'd still be good later in the week.

Things are less dire now but the local grocery store's produce is nasty. And I'm fine w/ irregular plants, I garden and as such have to ignore a fair bit of bugs, rotten parts, etc. But when you gotta cut away a quarter of the head of celery from rot, not awesome stuff! Probably doesn't count as a food desert, still hosed in a similar way.

Frozen vegetables are not a good substitute, you lose some nutrition at the processing stage and some reheating them safely. Same poo poo with canned. Better than nothing and adequate to ward of scurvy, but we can do better

Tuckerd
Mar 29, 2023

by vyelkin

HallelujahLee posted:

china will grow larger

China's people will grow wealthier

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


the biggest killers in the US are heart disease and cancer. In the UK, where people can go get screened and treated without going bankrupt (for now), dementia deaths outnumber cancer deaths.

Tuckerd
Mar 29, 2023

by vyelkin

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

the biggest killers in the US are heart disease and cancer. In the UK, where people can go get screened and treated without going bankrupt (for now), dementia deaths outnumber cancer deaths.

and dementia is like what % of patients so and on so forth

~from a majority to a minority~

from 100% down to less than .01% :drat:

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009


this graph looks completely made up

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Jaxyon posted:

um there not being nearly as many grocery options in poor areas, even affordable and minority owned, is literally a real thing in LA but go on

Not as many options isn't the same thing as no options. The food desert studies excluded places like Walgreens or other places with lovely but real options for canned stuff, some basics for cooking, eggs, milk, etc.

The solution to poor areas having fewer good options for buying food wasn't to give money to companies to open stores with more fresh vegetables, but that's the one that was chosen since it enriched politicians friends

Heres an example

https://abc7chicago.com/whole-foods-englewood-closing-grocery-store/12447317/

At the time, then-Mayor Rahm Emanuel and the city committed over $10 million in tax breaks to help make the store a reality.


Giving whole foods 10m is totally fine. But giving people money to afford whole foods prices? No. Absolutely not.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Yet more proof of how great goons had it. Got drivers license, cheap car, and century low gas prices for a decade to enjoy road trips

VDP1
Mar 11, 2023
i've been visited by the
[**]Linux Gnu (cow)[**]


webcams for christ posted:

fled the country

Lpzie
Nov 20, 2006

swapping all my money 💰 to the YEN 💴💹. this American experiment is over.... if anyone here was smart you'd dump the DOLLAR 💵📉 immediately

silentsnack
Mar 19, 2009

Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

Louisgod posted:

normal collapse, from the standpoint of normal.

empires collapse all the time, it's natural.


first as a tragedy then as a farce, it's a mathematically proven fact.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

FlapYoJacks posted:

They are a nugget, that's for sure.

they are in fact hidden from many people

Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

no meds = f4

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i'm ready to start using "credits". it's 2023, why am i not being charged 5000 credits for things yet?

this

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

i'm ready to start using "credits". it's 2023, why am i not being charged 5000 credits for things yet?

Money is just another term for credits.

Decon
Nov 22, 2015


Louisgod posted:

feels like 97% of americans live in an innate state of denial as they lack the general tools to compartmentalize our state of collapse without being completely overwhelmed, so it's easier to ignore it and focus on important things like football and red wine.

Credit where due, they leave some spare energy to get wildly, violently angry that trans people and drag queens exist.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

FlapYoJacks posted:

Money is just another term for credits.

"Uhh that'll cost 3 money please" - something people say nowadays, IN OPPOSITE TOWN

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Euphronius has turned into Justin wolfers

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Willa Rogers posted:

that cancer-screening stuff was always kind of a trap bc if "preventive" exams actually find anything they're then coded as "diagnostic" & subject to that $8,000 deductible.
I have a little bump on my cochlea. Besides making me gay, it causes partial hearing loss. They want me to get a MRI just to make sure it's benign. But I really don't want to pay $500 against the tiny chance that it's not benign.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

Honestly, if you read up about the Salvation Army literally marching down Wall Street in their bands, intimidating bankers and singing about the rot at the heart of capitalism, that would be a giant step up for DSA.

"When Guys and Dolls opened, Salvationists still played lunch-hour concerts on Wall Street and pounded the bass drum along the Great White Way. In winter the tinkle of their bells was an unmistakable call to help the poor—just as their radio and television broadcasts reminded listeners of their need for donations."

Where is the DSA even a fraction of this publicly visible?




Shipon posted:

its funny because following the logical conclusion of all the doomer posting just means you should behave like a conservative and grab what you can before it all falls apart because there's no future, except you feel bad about it which makes you pathetic looking

if you truly believe it's all hopeless and there's no saving the future, then what else is there than to shore up the status quo that exists now




:suicide:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

silentsnack posted:

empires collapse all the time, it's natural.

first as a tragedy then as a farce, it's a mathematically proven fact.

An Empire with America's perverse socially demanded/conditioned optimism collapsing is going to be interesting because at least Augustine knew what the gently caress was up, and was optimistic about what was going to come after Rome, instead of smiling and going about his day repeating "Roma invicta".

It's like with covid. Most societies faced with epidemic deadly disease tried to do something and saw it as a bad thing. America devoted all of their energy into pretending nothing was wrong.

I don't know, I think speculation about American Optimism can be trite but I don't really know what happens when a society that expends tremendous amounts of social control into the maintenance of optimism has to contend with your lying eyes warning you something is going on nearly constantly. I think from covid it will be fair to say you won't be able to say anything about it, much less do anything (or expect anyone else to), but... lol I mean...



Eventually the house burns down anyways.

Lpzie
Nov 20, 2006

soon, the dollar will be company scrip like our measurement system. well be completely isolated and all the captains of industry will flee to the Moon

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

Mr Hootington posted:

It kinda isn't bullshit. The "hand out" that has had the most direct impact on inflation was the PPP loans. The high inflation has numerous causes.

1. Fed printing which blew up all asset classes
2. PPP loan and subsequent forgiveness
3. Supply chains hosed due to covid and general deterioration
4. Deglobalization
5. USA citizens having their insatiable urge to consume cranked to the max due to "covid lockdowns"
6. Price gouging

Lol that you're flailing at a half dozen potential 'causes' when there's one cause:

6. Price gouging

"but my input costs went up!" yeah that's just your supplier price gouging. even the miniscule amount labor costs rose is driven by literal rent-seeking, which is just price gouging in another sector.

'inflation' is just the rich getting richer.

Even the fed money hose didn't do anything to inflation - until they turned it off, and since number must always go up the price gouging set in.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
I see the inflation adjusted gas and raise purchasing power.

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Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

socialists need:

more parades
more catholicism
less doomerism

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