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I don't think Tawny Newsome could do worse than the Disco writers, so more power to her. very curious where Starfleet Academy will fall on the serialized <-> episodic axis. they really should solicit some actual SF writers.... hell just call David Gerrold back in, he ain't dead yet. i bet he has scripts hidden under his mattress.
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Alternatively: There is nothing interesting about anything in Disco.
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Beeftweeter posted:i mentioned it in the other thread but tawny newsome doesn't appear to have any writing credits. anyone know if she's done anything before? Not having written anything automatically makes her the best writer in a room full of ex-Discovery writers.
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pyrotek posted:Not having written anything automatically makes her the best writer in a room full of ex-Discovery writers. Yes, and?
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pyrotek posted:Not having written anything automatically makes her the best writer in a room full of ex-Discovery writers. Honestly if they got rid of all the ex-discovery/Picard writers and just got in a bunch of new writers like her, Yeah 100% going to be a better show.
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J33uk posted:Yes, and? I think it is great that she is there! Discovery felt like drudgery and I hope she can help make the show fun. I think the setting could make for a great show, and I'd like to see the show do dumb things, have O'Brien be a teacher. How did he get there? Who cares. Have him give a different answer every time it comes up for story-related reasons. We all know the real reason would involve 1000 years of suffering. The future can be space magic. Do crazy things, have really weird episodes. I'd like to see the tone be a mix between Lower Decks and Prodigy, but slightly more adult.
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Personally it being set in the Disco future kills my interest in it. Maybe this show could fix it up, but as a setting that future is just so dull from a complete lack of worldbuilding and established setting rules and way things work. And with Discovery itself they at wrote around most of the too-advanced-to-do-regularly-on-tv stuff they set up by saying 'oh we just told the programmable matter to look like primitive 23rd century controls' but for the academy show I'm guessing they'll just be super inconsistent with it. An ultra space magic far future is fine for when you get limited glimpses but when you're doing a whole show immersed in it I don't think they can pay it off and still make the world feel real, at least based on what I've seen on Disco. They keep establishing stuff as everyday and then ignoring it. (TNG kinda did this with holograms but Disco does it with everything) It's like they create stuff at the start to be cool and then go 'poo poo poo poo poo poo we don't want to have to deal with it' all the drat time. (Again, Star Trek did this a lot but it's so much more egregious with Disco) Also I hate the far future set design. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 07:53 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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In my dreams they pretty much ignore whatever the stupid poo poo from Disco to make it good, but since the crew is probably almost the same as Disco I admit that is pretty unlikely.
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Discovery spinoffs are currently one for one so I won't write it off without seeing it, maybe it can rise above it's origins like SNW
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Yeah, it's all about the creative. That's to be seen, I suppose. But there's nothing wrong with the 32nd century and programmable matter and post-Earth Federation in concept. The execution was dogshit, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be made interesting in more capable hands. Discovery was a bad pre-TOS prequel, SNW is a good pre-TOS prequel. Discovery was a bad post-Burn show, maybe Academy could be a good post-Burn show. That being said, it sounds like a concept that's going to more easily lend itself to serialization, which doesn't excite me. But since the new Starfleet HQ is on a space station rather than on Earth, hopefully it means that it still can have an adventure-of-the-week format and channel the best of DS9 storytelling methods where it takes place in a single location but still feels very dynamic.
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I would say it's the cast, SNW still has the same dogshit writing as Disco, it's just they stumbled onto one of the most charismatic casts in TV. They managed to elevate the dogshit into watch-ability and occasionally even good.
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Well, that’s just flat out wrong
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bull3964 posted:She's a good improv actor. this show is utterly doomed
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Well, that’s just flat out wrong  DISCO has a great cast too, it's just being wasted by the writing.
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Yeah, I’d say the worst SNW ever got was about on par with a randomly selected Voyager episode.
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Just give me Paul F Tompkins as an affable Absent-Minded Professor type and I'll be there Day One
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Speaking of randomly selected Voyager episodes, bringing the Doctor back (either the one that returned with Voyager or the Living Witness) for Academy would be cool, also. Maybe both versions!
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Laterite posted:Just give me Paul F Tompkins as an affable Absent-Minded Professor type and I'll be there Day One
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Then again I'm watching Picard so it's a forgone conclusion, captive Trek looker.
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Penitent posted:Is Boothby going to somehow return? Somehow, Boothby returned Cloning, secrets only the Sith knew. Attack of the Clones.
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Penitent posted:Is Boothby going to somehow return? Through the force of shear will
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pyrotek posted:I think it is great that she is there! Discovery felt like drudgery and I hope she can help make the show fun. I'll be honest your response is awesome and well thought out, but I was just doing a cheap as hell improv joke.
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There's something I find very amusing about the main viewer in TNG (maybe they do it in Voyager too idk). When the camera is pointing straight at the viewer, the image displayed is presented as if from a camera pointing straight at the subject. When the view on the bridge comes from below the pilots console pointing at the viewer, instead of seeing a distorted view of the speaker where their "camera" is pointed at them, now the remote camera angle is also from below and to the side. Which means that the main viewer isn't a large flat screen, but it's somehow a 3 dimensional image being presented on a 2 dimensional surface.
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The 3d screen is an intentional piece of the lore which also makes shot composition easier.
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Brawnfire posted:Through the force of shear will Boothby is the only one they can trust to not be a plant
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While a 31st century show featuring Tilly isn't something I'm excited for, the setting does give some opportunities. For example, we can see more Dadmiral. Perhaps Visiting Adjunct Professor of Engineering Jett Reno. And if I may be so bold, while I think Saru was a better captain than Michael and should have gotten Discovery, he would make an awesome Academy Instructor. The "16 year old" thing worries me though, that they might try to make it Sexy High School In Space. Also it makes no sense. Every sentient species matures at the same rate? Maybe a Horta is like Yoda's species and they are babies for 100 years. And it guess it sucks to be an Ocampan, they'd be dead before hitting your arbitrary Alpha Quadrant Hyooman age minimum.
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In the novelization of ST:II, Peter Preston was only 14. They send em to space young.
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FISHMANPET posted:There's something I find very amusing about the main viewer in TNG (maybe they do it in Voyager too idk). When the camera is pointing straight at the viewer, the image displayed is presented as if from a camera pointing straight at the subject. When the view on the bridge comes from below the pilots console pointing at the viewer, instead of seeing a distorted view of the speaker where their "camera" is pointed at them, now the remote camera angle is also from below and to the side. The screen was mentioned as being a holographic viewer in Encounter at Farpoint. When we saw Voyager's screen offline, it was a bunch of the same holoprojectors as their holodeck. 3D holograms are pretty standard TNG-era tech, not sure why you're saying 'somehow'. It's the same way the holodeck can render things in the distance even though the wall is right in front of you. (It's also one reason why the whole 'we're going to update things by retconning in that people use flickery projected holograms to hail to look more advanced than boring old screens!' was so  on disco. Yes, it's set pre-TNG, but the franchise had been doing 3D screens for ages and this would've fit fine as being around in the earlier era and they could've used modern FX to show it off properly with camera movement to show off the 3D. Instead they shove in projections that didn't exist and looked dumb)
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The viewscreen should be a giant 3DS, complete with 3D/2D slider.
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bull3964 posted:In the novelization of ST:II, Peter Preston was only 14. Nah the federation just took the levee en masse perk.
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Beeftweeter posted:the viewscreen would probably be real weird to see irl. imagine a 20 ft tall head yelling at you to obey treaty obligations or something Or that only they have the brains to rule Lylat.
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View screens remind me of Total Recall, and now they had such a cool realistic portrayal of a near future except for the fact no one loving wants to FaceTime/Skype regularly. Of course Trek is more like mandatory work meeting where bosses want to see your faces. Those loving bossy admirals want to make sure you’re looking like you’re paying attention! (I also always laff at how Total Recall was one of the last big films to have screens everywhere before flatscreens/LCDs. Really check out the loving volume of those screens especially on the subways or peoples desks!)
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jeeves posted:View screens remind me of Total Recall, and now they had such a cool realistic portrayal of a near future except for the fact no one loving wants to FaceTime/Skype regularly. They portrayed that, though. Remember how the goon turned the Static Knob to stop talking to his boss? In my headcanon, people disliked video calls so much that manufacturers built in a static knob to get out of them.
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There was videophone/videoconferencing technology for decades before facetime or skype. It's just very few people wanted to use it, and it was just a niche thing for a very long time, so it kept on being reinvented by people who hadn't heard of the previous inventions. I think it was mostly weird corporate settings really pushing for it. They're really into bizarre expensive tech solutions for meetings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEx7h0NKnXE SlothfulCobra fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Apr 2, 2023 |
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This week's Picard left me very confused about changeling phaser rules. Sometimes you can just disintegrate them. Sometimes you shoot holes in them and they go down but then just terminator the holes away and get back up again. Sometimes the bolts do absolutely nothing at all. Again, it feels like 3 different writing groups doing different scenes and not integrating properly. All that aside, Spiner can still do a pitch perfect Lore.
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bull3964 posted:This week's Picard left me very confused about changeling phaser rules. Sometimes you can just disintegrate them. Sometimes you shoot holes in them and they go down but then just terminator the holes away and get back up again. Sometimes the bolts do absolutely nothing at all. Again, it feels like 3 different writing groups doing different scenes and not integrating properly. I know it's kind of hammy but Spiner doing all of the different Soong androids is fun enough. The legacy actors haven't been the problem with this show, it's the bad writing and editing (which is becoming a major staple of NuTrek outside of Lower Decks and most of Strange New Worlds).
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FlamingLiberal posted:(which is becoming a major staple of NuTrek outside of Lower Decks and most of Strange New Worlds). Tell me you haven't seen Prodigy without telling me you haven't seen Prodigy. Many posters (me) put Prodigy just above SNW; it's well written, has great VAs, and manages to mix a season-long arc with excellent standalone episodes. It's also completely, 100&, all about the ideals of Starfleet and the Federation being awesome. You should check it out.
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Yeah, I wish they would have integrated that into the plot better. Vadic was so confident she was getting out and Lore said "The enemy of my enemy is, well you know the rest", but Vadic DIDN'T KNOW LORE WAS THERE OR POSSIBLY THAT HE EVEN EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Had Lore not done his chaos thing, Picard and Beverly would have stone cold murdered Vadic (maybe, see above phaser issue because they sure as gently caress shot her a ton as she escaped to no effect with the same phasers they were about to execute her with.) They had the perfect opportunity to setup that she was working with Lore since she was kept at Daystrom station, but they didn't make that link. I just don't understand how so little effort can be made towards simple story telling competency. I can generally forgive a script that's not airtight, but this is breathtakingly slapdash for something that's supposed to be professional. It's not like they are intentionally bending things to service the script, they simply are committing unforced errors.
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