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Cimber posted:Well no more trips to Scotland for Trump any time soon, since he has to surrender his passport. No more trips overseas at all. unironically more personal consequences than he's suffered since he became Fred's evil Igor at 18 or so, lol e: this might be a good opportunity for malenia to suddenly rediscover her love for central europe Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:So which state DA is going to be the first to indict Biden? Let's say Texas.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Mike Pence is somehow unable to answer a question about abortion and wobbling around. I have no idea if he is nervous, surprised, or trying to seem to moderate. But, he's coming off incredibly bad and it is bizarre to see Mike Pence of all people hedge on abortion. imagine getting backed into a corner via questions by Wolf Blitzer of all people.
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Angry_Ed posted:imagine getting backed into a corner via questions by Wolf Blitzer of all people.
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FlamingLiberal posted:You know, I used to think that Ted Cruz bending the knee for Trump in 2016 was the most pathetic thing I've seen in politics, but this weird Pence defense of Trump has to be worse He's still under the delusion that he can claim the Trump/maga mantle should Trump go away. He doesn't understand that the florida rear end in a top hat is the real threat.
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RBA Starblade posted:Let's say Texas. The real game is “guess the state crime”. Because I guarantee every guy who would do it has been debating this poo poo for well before today. They do it publicly all the time. Starr, Gowdy, Comey, Rudy, Jordan. They want a crime sooooo bad. If they had one they would have been first. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Here is my question, when will we the public know the 30 counts of charges?
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Here is my question, when will we the public know the 30 counts of charges? It's sealed for now, but will be public by his booking. So, sometime between tomorrow and Tuesday.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Here is my question, when will we the public know the 30 counts of charges? Probably Monday or Tuesday when Trump gets booked.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's literally Waylon Smithers level poo poo. Trump straight up went "If he dies, he dies" after siccing a mob on the building he was currently in, and Pence's response has almost word for word been "It would have been an honor to have been beaten and strangled to death for you, sir That reference is going to stick in my mind for a while.
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Don’t most school shooters already get the death penalty in that they’re shot dead by police or kill themselves once they get bored? Aren’t most mass shootings a variation on suicide where the shooter wants to die? I know shooters are sometimes taken alive and given Wendy’s, but not that often. The script set by columbine ends with the shooter’s suicide, after all. I don’t know that it’s been replaced by a new script yet.
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I AM GRANDO posted:Don’t most school shooters already get the death penalty in that they’re shot dead by police or kill themselves once they get bored? Aren’t most mass shootings a variation on suicide where the shooter wants to die? I know shooters are sometimes taken alive and given Wendy’s, but not that often. The script set by columbine ends with the shooter’s suicide, after all. I don’t know that it’s been replaced by a new script yet. Yes. Mass shootings are effectively the US' cultural version of a suicide bombing.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Mike Pence is somehow unable to answer a question about abortion and wobbling around. I have no idea if he is nervous, surprised, or trying to seem to moderate. But, he's coming off incredibly bad and it is bizarre to see Mike Pence of all people hedge on abortion. Is it that surprising? I feel like "yes, but you and I both know I'll never be president if I admit it on camera, so can we please pretend my answer is something else" is a common enough response from anti-abortion politicians above the House. FlamingLiberal posted:You know, I used to think that Ted Cruz bending the knee for Trump in 2016 was the most pathetic thing I've seen in politics, but this weird Pence defense of Trump has to be worse It's understandable. If he turns against Trump now, spending four whole years as Trump's VP was for nothing.
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Angry_Ed posted:imagine getting backed into a corner via questions by Wolf Blitzer of all people. This really is what is funniest to me. He's the perfect distillation of the Indiana Republican.
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It's gonna get buried in the Trump stuff now, but the FBI released their investigative report about Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas mass shooter from 2017, for whom no motive was ever conclusively determined. The whole thing's like three hundred pages and unsearchable, so I'm just gonna rely on a press report to summarize the results, though I'm going to add my own emphasis to a couple of points that seem important yet were never publicly mentioned before. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/30/us/las-vegas-shooting-gunman.html quote:The man who fatally shot 60 people at an outdoor music festival in Las Vegas in 2017 had been angry over what he saw as casinos scaling back on perks for V.I.P. gamblers like himself, according to an account provided to the F.B.I. As far as I can tell, this is the first time that any hint of his political leanings have been revealed, and woof, it sure is a doozy. Guess we'll just never know why the guy who admired McVeigh and Hitler shot a bunch of people! 
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I AM GRANDO posted:Don’t most school shooters already get the death penalty in that they’re shot dead by police or kill themselves once they get bored? Aren’t most mass shootings a variation on suicide where the shooter wants to die? I know shooters are sometimes taken alive and given Wendy’s, but not that often. The script set by columbine ends with the shooter’s suicide, after all. I don’t know that it’s been replaced by a new script yet. The data here is spotty - most of the studies I can find are pretty old. The only recent one I can locate is by the Times (which is of course looking at an entirely different topic) - out of the 433 incidents they tracked, the shooter only died about half the time (230). Another older one by the Washington Post got similar results (108 out of 202.) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/22/us/shootings-police-response-uvalde-buffalo.html https://web.archive.org/web/20230329171909/https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/
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Main Paineframe posted:It's gonna get buried in the Trump stuff now, but the FBI released their investigative report about Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas mass shooter from 2017, for whom no motive was ever conclusively determined. Can you find an actual link to the document set? I've not immediately had any luck.
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Discendo Vox posted:Can you find an actual link to the document set? I've not immediately had any luck. It's here, split into two parts: https://vault.fbi.gov/stephen-paddock Utter pain in the rear end to go through, though. 600+ pages combined, heavily redacted, it's not OCRed so it can't be searched easily, and stuff like webpage printouts and evidence spreadsheets are mixed in haphazardly with the rest of the report.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's here, split into two parts: Thanks. Note the document at page 241 of the second set and subsequent, describing the sourcing of the individual who found or "found" the letters in the office sent to the FBI, and discussion of the work that went into identifying the sender. The redaction gaps are quite interesting. I can't tell if the reference to an ongoing case just refers to the investigation of Paddock or something else. ...from the later redacted material (p. 266 of the second set), it appears likely that the person who mentions ADOLF HITLER was involved in selling Paddock guns. Other gaps suggest a common activity with some of the interviewees such as a militia or shooting group, but it's hard to distinguish valid sources of information from cranks.
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Tempest_56 posted:The data here is spotty - most of the studies I can find are pretty old. The only recent one I can locate is by the Times (which is of course looking at an entirely different topic) - out of the 433 incidents they tracked, the shooter only died about half the time (230). Another older one by the Washington Post got similar results (108 out of 202.) Well, then we can infer that the death penalty would totally work as a deterrent half the time. Which is why nobody is going around mass shooting in strong death penalty states like Florida, Texas, or Tennessee.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's sealed for now, but will be public by his booking. So, sometime between tomorrow and Tuesday. Stupid question from a non-American: can these be declared secret or otherwise hidden from the public?
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Wizard Master posted:What are your guys thoughts on the news today about Donald Trump being indicted The front page looks good https://mobile.twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/1641636148920602624
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If this is about the campaign finance stuff, hasn’t the statute of limitations long since passed? It would have had to have taken place in 2016, and I had read that the statute of limitations for those things is 3-5 years E: source for the statute of limitations thing https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-indictment-bragg-legal-case/ quote:The first issue that Bragg has is time. Trump committed the underlying campaign finance offense in 2016, and the statute of limitations on bookkeeping fraud and campaign finance violations is five years. That brings you to 2021. The statute of limitations for tax evasion is three years. Even if you don’t start the clock on that until the story breaks in the news in 2018, that brings you, once again, to 2021. To get to 2023, Bragg appears to be arguing that the statute of limitations paused while Trump was president and living out of state. That’s… a theory, but not necessarily a good one, and certainly not one that has been tested enough to know how it’s going to hold up in the courts. Remember, the alleged immunity Trump had from prosecutions applied only at the federal level. Local prosecutors, like Bragg’s predecessor Cyrus Vance, who was the Manhattan DA during Trump’s presidency, could have charged him with this crime at any time. lil poopendorfer fucked around with this message at 10:59 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Main Paineframe posted:It's gonna get buried in the Trump stuff now, but the FBI released their investigative report about Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas mass shooter from 2017, for whom no motive was ever conclusively determined. The man responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history did it because he wasn’t getting enough perks from the casino? This is the dumbest poo poo I ever read. although I suppose the type of person who is gonna believe the findings from the Warren commission is credulous enough to believe this lil poopendorfer fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Mar 31, 2023 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:I read somewhere that the trial for this would likely occur sometime in mid-2024, likely around summer time, so it'll be a whole Thing in the middle of the election. Defendants usually show up for their trials I believe? Hard to say how it all goes down. Trump will demand the trial be televised, babble endlessly about the huge ratings and attempt to turn the entire thing into re-election campaign speech. He'll insist that the court has to play that Jan 6th song then stand up and recite the pledge before every proceeding.
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lil poopendorfer posted:The man responsible for the largest mass shooting in US history did it because he wasn’t getting enough perks from the casino? This is the dumbest poo poo I ever read. although I suppose the type of person who is gonna believe the findings from the Warren commission is credible enough to believe this We have had used car salesmen and real estate agents fly into Washington D.C. in private planes and attempt to overthrow the government because they were scared that the next president would raise taxes and introduce regulations. History is loaded with people who have committed unspeakable atrocities for extremely petty reasons. Adolf Eichmann signed off on the Holocaust for a promotion, for God sakes!
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Ataxerxes posted:Stupid question from a non-American: can these be declared secret or otherwise hidden from the public? As soon as he's actually arraigned the charges will be public. I don't even think our terrible terrorism trials from Guantanamo had secret charges. We reserved that for evidence.
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Ringo Star Get posted:Pence still siding with Trump most likely means that he fears Trump will send J6’ers after Mother. You have to protect what you love, folks.
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Ataxerxes posted:Stupid question from a non-American: can these be declared secret or otherwise hidden from the public? No. Once you are arraigned on a charge you have a constitutional right that you must be read the list of charges against you. They will be entered into the record at the point. Honestly, given that the number of charges already leaked before the indictment had actually been technically announced, I think the charges will probably be public before his arraignment.
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Young Freud posted:We have had used car salesmen and real estate agents fly into Washington D.C. in private planes and attempt to overthrow the government because they were scared that the next president would raise taxes and introduce regulations. I’ll counter and say that the individuals in your example acted as part of a mass movement, planned and orchestrated by others. They were pawns, mere cogs in a much larger machine, and I’d venture to say that none of them would have done it if they WERE on their own Stephen Paddock conceiving, planning, and orchestrating the shooting all by himself—over a perceived slight at the hands of the casinos, at that—is certainly possible, but rather unlikely in my opinion. I suppose it depends on the amount of trust one has in our fabled institutions like the FBI or CIA.
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lil poopendorfer posted:I’ll counter and say that the individuals in your example acted as part of a mass movement, planned and orchestrated by others. They were pawns, mere cogs in a much larger machine, and I’d venture to say that none of them would have done it if they WERE on their own Have you not experienced people flipping the gently caress out in public over extremely petty things in, say, retail or fast food settings? It’s very believable to me, unfortunately, that someone would go on a shooting rampage because Vegas wasn’t offering him the comps he thought he deserved. This doesn’t have to be twisted into some hamfisted “heh. Sheeple believing the feds  ” poo poo
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nine-gear crow posted:It's literally Waylon Smithers level poo poo. Trump straight up went "If he dies, he dies" after siccing a mob on the building he was currently in, and Pence's response has almost word for word been "It would have been an honor to have been beaten and strangled to death for you, sir Pence harbors ambitions to run for president and if both DeSantis and Trump flame out, everything's coming up Milhouse
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:CNN is putting out clips from the Pence interview now. Thank god, bringing the shooter to justice will finally end this long national nightmare. What are they up to right now?
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Judgy Fucker posted:Have you not experienced people flipping the gently caress out in public over extremely petty things in, say, retail or fast food settings? It’s very believable to me, unfortunately, that someone would go on a shooting rampage because Vegas wasn’t offering him the comps he thought he deserved. This doesn’t have to be twisted into some hamfisted “heh. Sheeple believing the feds Losing one’s temper is quite different from planning and executing the largest mass shooting—by a considerable margin—in US history. It’s not like this guy got denied a comped room and then immediately pulled an AR15 out at the hotel front desk. You’re free to believe what you want. Given the history of the FBI, CIA, and other US alphabet agencies, i view their statements with a high degree of skepticism.
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