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The more I think back on this episode, the stupider it gets. The goons above me were right, Vadic totally didn't have a plan going in and everything would have ended right there if Geordie wasn't such an idiot. Rules for dealing with a murderous android strong enough to pull you apart: Step 1) air gaps people! Step 2) Remove their arms and legs.
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Mar 31, 2023 13:08
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Actually in all seriousness whatever poo poo was driving Picard's mother crazy and suicidall and having her see monsters and poo poo is probably the same thing going on with Jack If they try and tie all this bullshit back to being the reason Q contacted Picard in TNG in the first place, I will eat an entire spacedock.
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Mar 31, 2023 13:10
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And Vadic's back story made no sense. There were no captured founders, what the gently caress is that about? If they'd found 9 lost founders maybe, Odo style? But they didn't say that. The founders would loving KNOW 9 of their number were missing. Again - if they were conspiracy bugs it makes sense.
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Mar 31, 2023 13:17
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i can't tell if they meant that the changeling replaced the scientist or if they meant that the changeling "linked" with her to become vadic i thought it was the latter but it seems like a lot of people seem to think its the former for some reason and i guess it is actually kinda ambiguous. well, if so, who cares? she's just some scientist
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Mar 31, 2023 13:22
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Picard straight up addresses it, she's using the scientist as her 'default' shape to remind her of the trauma. It's probably why she's scarred, because Vadic presumably tortured the scientist lady. I'd buy there being a few captured Changelings that the Link just assumed got killed and S31 kept quietly.
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Mar 31, 2023 13:30
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Gaz-L posted:Picard straight up addresses it, she's using the scientist as her 'default' shape to remind her of the trauma. It's probably why she's scarred, because Vadic presumably tortured the scientist lady. The death of a changeling is a colossal matter They drill this into you tonnes. They have their foundlings but if a changeling dies they know 9 is a lot!
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Mar 31, 2023 13:44
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So like was there actually a Vulcan warship or
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External Organs posted:So like was there actually a Vulcan warship or lol i completely forgot about it my guess is that there was? they were expositing all that as if it were a ruse or something but they never went back to it it's also not completely disabled either, iirc they said it was in the same state as the titan. i'm guessing this is how tuvok's appearance next week comes into play also
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Mar 31, 2023 13:55
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Well, at least the music in this episode tried. Speaking of which when the Voyager theme tells us it's okay, this is the real Tuvok, only for it to not be fifteen seconds later, that's this whole show in a nutshell. Endless emotional bait-and-switch. At this point my money's on the gang getting together on the bridge of the Enterprise D, but it's the Titan's holodeck.
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Mar 31, 2023 13:55
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Tim Russ just getting beat up by scrubs left and right this TV season
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Well, at least the music in this episode tried. Honestly? Wouldn't hate it if the final scene was a "for old time's sake". It'll be better than Captain Jack saying "engage" on the bridge of the G (geddit? Like G-ene! Roddenberry!  )
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Mar 31, 2023 13:58
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Alchenar posted:The most positive thing I can say about this is that Amanda Plummer is doing absolutely heroic work with the script she's been given. It's not good, but someone else with that material could have been completely unwatchable I was unimpressed by her performance, but you're right, she's deadlifting every scene she's in while everyone else stands around gawking.
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Mar 31, 2023 14:02
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Gaz-L posted:Picard straight up addresses it, she's using the scientist as her 'default' shape to remind her of the trauma. It's probably why she's scarred, because Vadic presumably tortured the scientist lady. lol that's something that's been bothering me about the dialogue too (to be clear i'm not saying you're wrong, that is what happens). it's just picard's speculation i think, vadic doesn't actually explicitly say this, but once a main character says it, we're supposed to automatically accept it as truth its really ironic that he was with beverly when he said it actually because the show is really bad about using her character to do the exact same thing too
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Typical Pubbie posted:I was unimpressed by her performance, but you're right, she's deadlifting every scene she's in while everyone else stands around gawking. The reaction shots of Bev and Picard are extremely bad. 
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Picard is like an inverse Andor in so many ways. I feel like this episode was our One Way Out.
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Mar 31, 2023 14:04
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it's clear amanda plummer is trying and the material is absolutely loving terrible, but i don't think she's doing a great job either. it's not hammy bad, which is at least fun to watch, it's just actually bad and hard to watch
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Actually in all seriousness whatever poo poo was driving Picard's mother crazy and suicidall and having her see monsters and poo poo is probably the same thing going on with Jack you should write for the show
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Mar 31, 2023 14:19
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That DICK! posted:you should write for the show I wish I'd gotten a chance to know....that Jean-Luc Picard
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Gaz-L posted:Picard straight up addresses it, she's using the scientist as her 'default' shape to remind her of the trauma. It's probably why she's scarred, because Vadic presumably tortured the scientist lady. The Founders are loving gods in the Dominion. If 9 were missing they would be furious. I could buy they rounded up like 2 of the Odo Changelings, but 9 of them?
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Also like lolling forever about getting sad about experimenting on the guys who literally genetically engineer any species they want to. The Vorta, the Jem Hadar, hell they even made that blight bioweapon for no real reason other than to see a whole planet suffer.
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External Organs posted:Also like lolling forever about getting sad about experimenting on the guys who literally genetically engineer any species they want to. The Vorta, the Jem Hadar, hell they even made that blight bioweapon for no real reason other than to see a whole planet suffer. Remember when the Female Changeling told Garak everyone he knew is dead, and his planet is dead and he will be extinct? Good times
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Mar 31, 2023 14:28
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Ehhhh that's one thing I don't have an issue with, they could easily be infiltrators who were caught during the Dominion cold/hot war and written off by the Dominion as lost assets. Like the second Bashir one suicide bombed himself, their lives weren't that sacrosanct
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Beeftweeter posted:it's clear amanda plummer is trying and the material is absolutely loving terrible, but i don't think she's doing a great job either. it's not hammy bad, which is at least fun to watch, it's just actually bad and hard to watch There's a point where any actor has to follow direction and you only see the take that the director picked. I'm also willing to give a pass on 'there were changeling captives'. If you are going to add to the backstory of the Dominion War then you do necessarily have to add things that weren't shown in DS9. The problem is that the reason this stuff is added is so that the story can be 'the Federation sucks and is the bad guys'. Megillah Gorilla posted:If they try and tie all this bullshit back to being the reason Q contacted Picard in TNG in the first place, I will eat an entire spacedock. "You see Picard, Jack must come with me if he is to learn the ways of The Force." "The Force?" "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together."
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Mar 31, 2023 14:47
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I'm starting to think we're not going to see a single Changeling with the classic Odo/Female Changeling style makeup, which just seems like such an open goal for a show obsessed this much with nostalgia
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No Worf and this was a bad episode. Coincidence? I think not.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why are Vadic’s henchmen pretending to be other aliens besides budgetary reasons She likes birds
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why are Vadic’s henchmen pretending to be other aliens besides budgetary reasons It was entirely to create an artificial mystery just for the audience until the big Changeling reveal but now they’ve got the costumes anyway so they’re just gonna keep using them. It’s just like DS9, remember all the times changelings showed up as big hulking goons who click-talked like the aliens from District 9??? Don’t you remember?? What do you mean that’s not how DS9 did it???
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No Dignity posted:I'm starting to think we're not going to see a single Changeling with the classic Odo/Female Changeling style makeup, which just seems like such an open goal for a show obsessed this much with nostalgia The only time they’ve done anything close to it are the moments where Vadic is being hurt by her boss and her face briefly goes smooth.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why are Vadic’s henchmen pretending to be other aliens besides budgetary reasons That's what I said - there's literally no reason for them to be bird people and speaking in clicks. But, it was a Mystery Box at the start of the series, therefore it doesn't have to make sense.
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So there's only 9? Wasn't the implication that they were all over Star Fleet and had compromised it to the core? I get that writing is hard, but this fails basic story telling.
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TerminalRaptor posted:So there's only 9? Wasn't the implication that they were all over Star Fleet and had compromised it to the core? Star fleet has been compromised by -one- changeling who is very fast and has replaced a bunch of people, like the dinner scene in Mrs. Doubtfire
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TerminalRaptor posted:So there's only 9? Wasn't the implication that they were all over Star Fleet and had compromised it to the core?
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TerminalRaptor posted:So there's only 9? Wasn't the implication that they were all over Star Fleet and had compromised it to the core? No, Vadic talked about how other changlings joined the cause, and she could transfer the new abilities she had to them at the cost of greatly shortening their lives
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TerminalRaptor posted:So there's only 9? Wasn't the implication that they were all over Star Fleet and had compromised it to the core? I thought Vadic explained she could pass on her upgrade/evolved powers to other Changelings, but they wouldn't live as long and is painful? So after giving them to the other 8 captured Changelings, she went back to the Great Link and recruited however many they needed to infiltrate Starfleet. As for the 9 captured Changelings, I didn't have an issue with that. I mean they shot a 100 baby Changelings out into the ether to see what was up. Have 9 total captured during the Dominion War (along with pre and post) seems reasonable. Not a big fan of the torture science, but seeing how S31 developed a genocide virus, I guess it isn't really out of character for what was happening at the time. On the other hand, I did hate the Picard/Beverly decision to just execute a prisoner. To protect their weirdo kid or not, it seemed completely out of character. Overall, I don't hate this season like a lot of people here do. I also don't think it is particularly great like it seems the rest of the internet thinks. It has been a step up from S1 and S2 (not a high bar to clear) which were just atrocious, but I did not like this episode. Also, I know the Fleet Day thing where every Starfleet ship is going to be there will drive me insane. Besides how stupid that is as a concept, I know there are going to be like 200 ships total or something stupidly small for a power as large as the Federation. But I guess that is just the usual Sci-Fi/Fantasy writers being bad at numbers.
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Taear posted:And Vadic's back story made no sense. Yeah the Dominion War would of not ended had the Federation captured and kept 9 changlings virus or not. The Founders would of went scorched earth on the Federation out of spite.
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socialsecurity posted:Yeah the Dominion War would of not ended had the Federation captured and kept 9 changlings virus or not. The Founders would of went scorched earth on the Federation out of spite. It also stretches belief that so many other foundlings also came through the wormhole like Odo.
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TerminalRaptor posted:So there's only 9? Wasn't the implication that they were all over Star Fleet and had compromised it to the core? She tells them that she linked with other changelings and they also got whatever is in her. Screaming_Gremlin posted:As for the 9 captured Changelings, I didn't have an issue with that. I mean they shot a 100 baby Changelings out into the ether to see what was up. Have 9 total captured during the Dominion War (along with pre and post) seems reasonable. Not a big fan of the torture science, but seeing how S31 developed a genocide virus, I guess it isn't really out of character for what was happening at the time. The changeling shoot out was a considered and thought about thing though. And bashir wanting to suicide makes sense in the context of what they needed that changeling to do (he did also try to escape at first, but his role was HUGE) There's a big difference between that and "we captured 9 founders" TerminalRaptor posted:It also stretches belief that so many other foundlings also came through the wormhole like Odo. If they'd said they were foundlings they discovered? Sure But we know there's no other changelings in federation space (foundling ones) at least
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